How the Senators handle the crowded crease will be one of the many interesting storylines this off season.
While some local writers would have you believe Craig Anderson should be moved, I really can’t see it. Anderson was a rock for the Sens this season and was their best player during a first round series with the New York Rangers. It’s far more likely the Senators would entertain the idea of moving Ben Bishop or Robin Lehner.
The latter may surprise some people but I’ve heard that is at least a consideration for the organization this off season.
The 20 year old Swede is coming off a rough year in Binghamton where his focus and work ethic was called into question. Although it’s hard to blame the kid when you consider he was a Calder Cup Champion and playoff MVP at the age of 19. Lehner is a blue chip prospect and would fetch a solid return should the Senators decide to go down that path.
Moving Bishop is also an option but obviously the return wouldn’t be quite as strong.
It’s important to note that the Sens do not have to make a move here. They are more than willing to go into the season with three guys fighting for the available ice time with the big club.
How would you like to see the Sens handle the goaltending situation heading into next year?
- During his post season wrap up, Bryan Murray indicated that he would like to add a shutdown type defenceman and another goal scoring forward. Don’t be surprised if the Senators pursue defenceman Marc Methot of the Columbus Blue Jackets. Methot has three seasons left at $3 mil a year and is from the Ottawa area.
- Have had a few people ask for a recap blog from my trip to New York City for Game 7 so I'll try to have something up tomorrow. A little dated at this point but should still make for an interesting read.
I think Bishop could return almost as much as Bishop given how well Bishop played last year.
As for the "grass roots" effort to woo Suter and Parise - anyone have the resources to put together a YouTube video where Nick Fury approaches each about the "Senators Initiative"?
Anderson starts the year as the undisputed number one with the Senators.
Bishop is his back-up.
Lehner gets another year in Bingo and finally proves that he can play consistently for more than 20 games.
Assess the situation at the trade deadline.
With the history of goaltending that we have experienced with this team, having 3 NHL capable goaltenders is a luxury we have never had before.
And every time we think it has been resolved, something goes wrong (ex. Leclaire).
Holding on to all 3 is the way to go.
I guess a small risk that he goes the other way and then he becomes someone like Turris was in Phoenix. Then you'd need to find some team that thinks they can turn him around.
Anderson should be our #1 goaltender for next season, with
Bishop as the backup. Should one of those 2 get injured, then Lehner gets called up as the backup.
Senators will have a lot of new faces next season, and as
such, Murray needs to add 1 top defenceman, and 1 top 6 forward to play with Spezza.
If the above improvements materialize, this team will be a top contender in the Eastern Conference .
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!
I also think Murray already knows what direction he is leaning and what could improve/harm his returning
Lehner may have more potential, but Bishop is ready now, no questions.
I could see CLb looking to move for Bishop and if thats the case I honestly would not be opposed of trading Bishop and maybe a 5th or something for Methot and Mason
CLB clears cap space for rebuild, gets a solid goalie, and moves their once titles franchise goalie.
Mason could be a relibale back-up for us, and methot would be an ideal linemate for Phillips and/or Cowen
Methot is way overpaid for what he brings to the table, I would much rather see Borocop get a roster spot. And I wouldn't touch Madon with a ten foot pole! The kid had one good year and would only further cloud our goaltending situation. Bishop is a cheap back up that will allow Lehner to stay in Bingo for one more season. If Lehner doesn't like it, too bad. His time will come, and if he's not willing to wait, then trade him for a high pick or solid D prospect.
I think it's great that we finally have such great goaltending depth, and add to that some draft sheets have Malcolm Subban going somewhere around our 1st round pick, so it theoretically could get even deeper.
I expect that BM will have Anderson start, Bishop back him up and force Lehner down for another year starting the AHL. However, I think this strategy only make sense if Alfie returns and is a mistake if he does not.
If Alfie does not return I hope we trade Anderson while his value is at it's highest and let the future start gaining NHL experience right away so they can peak together.
Anderson was a really good player for us in that 1st round series, he showed that extra gear that he previously seemed to lack, but even at that he's not a game stealer. We won only the games we deserved to and even lost 1 we deserved to win. That's not the type of goalie I want on a SC run, I want the one Lehner has the potential to be which is a Hasek style game stealer.
I know I likely won't get my wish, but another year in AHL could really demoralize the guy we've been saying is our future in nets, considering he's been the best goalie at camp 2 years running now.
And a definite NO on Methot! That would be a waste of 3mil on too long a contract.
So let me get this straight. 41 save shutout in a 1-0 game is not stealing us a game? He matched Lundquist save for save.
If Anderson isn't a type of goalie youd want on a SC run then get the hell out of here, cause clearly your insane. He was terrific and really can't think of any goals "he should have had" in round 1
Excuse me? No need to be an ass about it. In my opinion we were the better team that game with or without him. Stealing a game is winning one you didn't deserve to, which you need to do several times on a cup run.
Where is this coming from? Is it speculation or does someone have an inside track on Robin that we're not aware of?
I'd love for the kid to come into camp and steal the #1 job (as much as I like Anderson if Lehner can actually outplay him then that's great) - but I don't understand why so many seem to think we should build the entire team around him.
Because he has that extra level of compete often seen in the greats. And not treating him like 2nd coming of anything, but he's outplayed others 2 years in a row now and still not gotten his fair shot. He outplayed Bishop in their brief stints this year during the injury and still nothing. He's being unfairly held back, and it's even worse then unfairly praising him.
karlsson should be signed for a 1 yr contract and if he plays well next season theyll sign him to a reasonable contract. they should trade 15th pick, bishop and borocop for 2 ovrall to colombus
I'm a big fan of Lehner but he cannot ride the ride the exceptional playoff win MVP forever. He needs to do it in the regular season and be consistent.
If Ottawa was going to shop Bishop, he won't get as much return because he hasn't been showcased enough. Give him more time next season, give Anderson a little break. If Bishop plays lights out, you have a chip at the deadline.
But just for the fun of it, what IF Ottawa decided to go with a younger crease. If the Sens felt Anderson provided at the highest level possible and may not reach that level again (hypothetical here) this would be his highest selling point period for Anderson, who they basically got for free in the Elliot deal. I think his return now would be worth more than Lehner or Bishop to a team who needs a true #1.
Anyway, nobody will be moved before the deadline because Bingo needs 2 goalies. So it's basically already set, regardless of what we all say.
I really like that idea Tcharger. I think that would be the ideal scenario right now. Trade Anderson for a pick to get someone like Ceci and then still get another depth prospect goalie.
Trading Anderson?!?!?!?
Are you mutts serious?!
A. He's the ONLY reason we made the playoffs
B. He's the only reason we went 7 games and were 1 goal away from pushing game 7 to OT
C. The Ottawa Senators have THE WORST LUCK when it comes to goaltending, and we now for the first time possibly EVER have a bonafide number one.
WOW.
Even you guys surprise me sometimes.
But he was terribly inconsistent in Bingo - so how does that make it unfair? I agree he showed better in the NHL this year than Bishop (not by a huge margin though). I fully expected Lehner to be the backup in the playoffs in fact.
But I don't think it's completely unfair - especially if the message to him this past year was to go to Bingo, work hard, show professionalism and consistency etc. (Of course I don't know if that was indeed the message he was given.)
The idea is good, but Subban has again climbed in the order somewhat in Craig Button's list to 10th. While Craig's list isn't the end all be all here, it shows how much interest Subban is attracting. The good side of that story is Ceci has fallen into 11th, closer to our 15th place. Even Grigorenko is at 14th. I guess you just never know.
If you are GM/PLAYER/COACH /SCOUT/TRAINER- ANYTHING in the NHL, your goal is to make the playoffs every year.
If it isn't, you shouldn't and probably aren't anywhere close to being in this league.
Period.
keep all three goalies. no sense putting yourself back into the same situation you were in before anderson hurt himself.
Dude, hypothetical means exactly that. Nobody said Ottawa was going to move Anderson and I don't think anyone really feels they would. I mentioned that if Ottawa decided (hypothetical AGAIN) that they were ok going with a younger tandem (not sure why they would) the only reason would be the fact that Anderson's stock is SO high right now. But seriously, nobody is suggesting he'll be traded, so simmer down.
Mark Stone has a point in his only NHL (Playoff) game. Silfverberg has only 2 NHL (Playoff) games and needs to adjust to the smaller ice. Zibanejad was a first round pick that wasn't NHL ready off the draw who I'm sure will get better. Hoffman has played 1 NHL game and Petersson has one NHL game. That's not a lot of NHL games to even know if these guys can produce points regularly. Not to mention Playoff Hockey is harder as well and Stone got a debut point. I need an energy drink.
And only if the package fetched us a Rick Nash ..
At 20 and 25 those two kids are the future ..
We could get fetch a solid return for Andy but it wont be this off season probably Next
This couldn't be more inaccurate.
Your goal as a GM is to build a team that MAKES MONEY. The main way you do that is build a team that will consistently make the playoffs and have a chance more years than not. Sometimes that means rebuilding and knowing you might miss the playoffs a few years but the end result will (hopefully) be a team that makes the playoffs 10 years in a row.
At the coach level it's mostly about just winning now with a little bit of building for the future (i.e. help develop the younger guys). And of course at the player level it's all about winning now.
And scout? - dude, their whole job is about the future.
Lehner will get his chance once he pays his dues in the minors just like Bishop did he was there for years and is still a young player.
Yeah ok mr narrow site...that is obviously the "goal " and what is outwardly said..but to believe it is realistic for ever team is insanely naive. Hell to even think all Gmail think that the team they are putting on the ice can make the playoffs is rediculous...it s called long term planning.
Not sure if anyone has let you know (though you seem to have figured it out): Brennan is an idiot and a jackass.
Parenteau-Spezza-Silfverberg
Michalek-Turris-Alfie
Foligno-Regin-Neil
Greening-Smith-O'Brien
Condra/Konopka/Stone/Zibanejad/Hoffman/Prince/Da Costa etc.
Methot-Karlsson
Cowen-Gonchar
Phillips-Ceci
Carkner/Boroweicki
Never put all your eggs in one basket. As mentioned many times... the elite teams have real solid cores... consistent teams have consistent goaltending from both goalies. Just look at the Devils, Canucks, Bruins, Rangers etc. Their "back-up" at times played better than their No.1. That is what we need. We NEED Bishop to come in, and hey, maybe go 15-3 for the year, push Andy to be even better.
SO you are saying that Anderson is the Sens MVP...
I think not Spezza and Karlsson step it up. Anderson was so so during the year.
And just another reason why I'm not the biggest TSN and Craig Button fan, his Mock Draft only goes to the First 14. Come on, Ottawa has the 15th and he doesn't even decide to throw something on the table? Who ends it at 14, either go 10 or 20, not 14. What a tit head
I wouldn't say "only" for A and B but certainly he was a big part of it (especially B).
And C I agree with completely.
I wouldn't be in any rush to trade Anderson.
Of course if the right offer came along it would be tempting. But I don't think Bishop or Lehner are ready to be #1 just yet.
I don't understand why the Sens would be considering Marc Methot. He has never played a full season due to numerous injuries and his stats lead me to believe he is an average player on a terrible team. He is basically Chris Philips Lite with the same contract. Is the appeal strictly because he is a hometown guy? I would much rather sign Bryan Allen who is also a stay at home guy but doesn't miss time due to injuries. Allen's PIM's are higher as well as he steps up for his teammates and plays a more physical role than Methot.
Sorry,
Should have spelt it out more clearly.
The argument was we shouldn't "expect" to make the playoffs next year and upcoming years...which I completely disagree with, and I'm sure if you asked all 30 GM's in the NHL they would say their goal is to make the playoffs and let the owners worry about making money.
That's all I meant.
Winning IS the bottom line, nothing else.
If we don't have Anderson as our goalie this past year, we DON'T make the playoffs.
Yes Spezza and EK were amazing, but without Anderson we lose 10 more games, at least.
So ya, he was THE reason we made the playoffs.
So yet again wrong
You don't trade anderson or expect to dump/trade him before his contract is over.
Goalies age well if there bodies (hips,knees) are good thru their career. Anderson is 30, we'll have him to he's 33,34 before his contract is up, this guy is a proven and underrated number 1 in the nhl. Goalies now days are still playing lights out with the odd season slump from time to time but the are in their late 30's and still in their prime from their great experience. I would hope we re-sign him long term and hang his jersey one day.
Andy may be the guy that brings us the cup and its almost like you talk about him like we cant wait to get rid of him for an unproven goalie, does this make sense? No. You keep andy and praise him like a legit top 10 goalie like he is.
Andy will get better and better, keep him and build a strong tandem which is needed in todays Nhl. Andy is a great playoff goalie, and there's only a few. brysgalov,ellio tt,Theodore,lal ime,miller and the goes on for the goalies who fail under pressure and are only good regular season goalies.
You serious?
Do you know the difference between GM and Owner?
Why would a GM care about making money? A GM's average shelf life with one team is probably what? 4-5 years?
How is it a GM's priority to make money???
Wow man. Wow.
I'm all for trading from a position of strenght to improve our roster. Let's wait.
I do like that idea of trading BISHOP, #15 pick, BORO for #2 pick...
It all becomes clear Tcharger IS Don Brennan
Craig button is a lunitic why even consider his list? Cant u tell he doesn't like Ottawa.
Other than defense our cupboards are stacked with very good prospects, maybe moving an existing forward for a veteran dman might be the answer until our d prospects are good to go.
I'm personally not a fan of his list, but Subban is on most lists somewhere in the teens or twenties. Probably unlikely to slip to 2nd round, which would have been ideal. I think Ceci will go top 10, if not top 8. But I agree with you, we never know, each org will rate them differently just like all these "expert" journalists and bloggers.
Haven't seen much of him but he looked pretty good in the 67s series (not awesome, but certainly looked like he could turn out to be a strong NHLer).
Exactly! How can fans all of sudden now after the playoffs translate Anderson's success there to him having carried us all season in the first place. Anderson was an average goalie for most of the regular season. Had a few great games, but is in no way the regular season team MVP this year. Spezza, Karlsson are easily ahead of him, the coach rarely mentioned any other names when talking about our MVP during the season, but always mentioned those two.
It all becomes clear Tcharger IS Don Brennan
I would like to apologise to Tcharger for insinuating that he was Don Brennan. No matter how much you can disagree with somebody's opinion, some things are off limits.
Referring to anybody as Brennan or Garrioch is in that category. As is calling somebody a leaf fan.
I don't want to continue this conversation about one of our 3 awesome goalies being moved because this conversation ends when we discuss about the possibility of moving Lehner. He has the potential to become a Lundqvist type of goaltender I would be very unease at the thought of moving him. We were impatient to let Anderson recover and have Lehner start with Auld backing up and gave up a 2nd round pick and now we gotta live with that.
Lastly, our attention should be clearly focused on our top 6 forward. With that thought of obtaining Parise making everyone including me very excited so is trying to get Rick Nash. He is clearly not washed up and is approaching the prime of his career and if he were to play here, he'd finally have that #1 centre he's been desperately needing to play with since being drafted and having to suffer all those years up until now. We have a good relationship with Columbus and if we got Filatov for a 3rd rounder imagine how simple it would be to obtain Nash?
Michalek, Bishop, rights to Foligno? Unless we all still believe in Michalek and that he will have a 40 goal year next year? We have so many prospects now we can afford to rid of both mentioned above.
As much as I'd love to see Parise or Nash here, realistically, is going to a Canadian market even a thought to either player? If not, then the entire Nash post should just be disregarded completely.
I think there are 2 major points about his play which indicate why Anderson deserves being mentioned as the MVP for this team.
Early on in the season (after getting over his bad start) Anderson kept the team in so many games that they really had no right to be in. This allowed the team to get the reputation as the cardiac kids/comeback kids/pesky sens - call them what you will.
Without Anderson we wouldn't have been going into third periods level or down by 1, we would have been down by 2 or 3 and that's far more difficult to overcome. If those games are already over, even if Spezza and Karlsson do what they did their stats would only be useful from a personal point of view and not translating into team wins.
I also don't think you can under estimate the confidence that Anderson gave the rest of the team. A very young team kept in games finding a way to battle back is much better than a young team consistently losing - Anderson, more so than Spezza or Karlsson gave us that.
I don't believe he was the MVP of the regular season but he's in the conversation. The main reason I think one of the others (I lean towards Karlsson) is what happened in the playoffs. Anderson stepped up his game, Spezza played OK and the Rangers targeted Karlsson and he was relatively ineffective. We lost that plaayoff season not because of Anderson, but because Karlsson and, to a lesser extent, Spezza were shut down. That's why they were more important to us.
Nash - Spezza - Stone
Zibanejad - Turris - Silfverberg
Regin - Smith - Neil
Greening - O'Brien - Condra
Mchalek, Bishop and Foligno might get you Steve Nash.
When the rangers were interested in Nash the price quoted was basically the equivalent of 3 or 4 first rounders. They wanted the 1st, one of Stepan or Kreider, one of Del Zotto or McDonagh and another roster player.
Would you be happy giving up our first this year, Cowen, Zibanejad or Noesen and Michalek or Foligno? I know I wouldn't.
We don't have the established NHL players to get Nash even if he wants to come to Ottawa, which nobody has suggested he does.
I think you hit it on the head though, Anderson is a good goalie who can keep you close enough that you can catch back up. What I'm saying I want, is a Lundqvist type that generally doesn't even let you fall behind. Also, the cardiac kids this year weren't about coming back from just 1 goal deficits, some of those were multi-goal deficits when Anderson had shit the bed on some relatively easy shots.
Anderson is better than any goalie we've had here in a long time, but he's still missing that Stanley Cup winning level in my opinion and his stock will likely never be higher.
If the option is keep Kuba or bring in Methot, I'd actually say keep Kuba, and I hate having Kuba with a passion!
Give Cowen and Gonchar the extra top 4 minutes and let one of the young guys come up and learn ... unless Suter becomes an option of course ;)
Oh fuck no. Noesen will eventually be playing Puempel and the 2 go hand in hand, much like when Murray drafted Perry & Getzlaf. 2 OHL kids could very well develop chemistry. I just threw in Bishop into the fray simply because of Howson's goaltending needs. I mean, what more could you give to obtain Nash? Foligno & Michalek aren't all that bad eh? Throw in Wiercioch, I don't know man. Let your imagination create a fuckin great scenario. If not Nash, then at least Parise when he becomes a free man.
I agree that Anderson is a level below elite (whatever elite is) and that eventually the reins will be handed over to (probably) Lehner. I don't think that should happen until either Bishop or Lehner are closer to being that type of goalie you want.
Guys, from the sound of this Tweet from EA Sports, EK65 is behind Lundquist in this rounds NHL 13 cover vote. This is "lose and you're gone" time, everyone get over there and vote!
http://covervote.nhl.com/:b=firefox11/#/ballot
Not that I disagree with you, but did you ever consider that he only went to 14th because that was the number of non-playoff teams? Heading into the playoffs, only 14 teams cared about the draft, the other 16 were still dreaming of Lord Stanley. Just a thought.
Game 20 - Denmark vs Sweden LIVE
1-0 Sweden
Exactly, doesn't take a rocket scientist to think "hmm 14 teams have no reason to follow hockey now, so lets create/allow Button to create a TSN property that we can market to those 14 teams lol
He has done year round rankings as well, and ahead of the draft they will release more in depth analysis but for now it something non-playoff teams can look at
Lundqvist has 5 men blocking for him and his team is currently is a top 5 team, if we had a better team anderson would be considered elite, put anderson on chicago,detroit ,philly,new jersey or any other top team and you would most definitely rate him top in the league.
Not all goalies cant go with a crazy amount if consecutive starts while taking 40+ shots per night and still be a differance maker like anderson, he's underrated as our team gets better he will be considered an elite goalie. We stole this guy from the avs, about time we get a good end of the deal.
Bishop is a good goalie.. but I think Lehner played better in the 5 games he played. He goes into Boston and shuts them out... come on.. I mean beat Boston let alone shut them out. He got the Sens their only win against Boston this season.
Lehner knows he has so many fans here in Ottawa. He just has to be patient this season... but going into 2013/14 someone has to move.
After the way Elliott fell apart against LA.. do you think St. Louis regrets trading Bishop? Would they want him back?
Reading Yost on Hockeybuzz... he bought up the possibility of Ottawa trading for Volchenkov... who has 4 yrs left on his contract after this season.. Any thought?
All the while constant talk about Condra/Kuba/Gonchar
When will Sens fand finally just be happy to enjoy our current roster and stop trying to play NHL13 dynasty mode
I actually like reading Yost on Twitter/Hbuzz, but he is out to lunch to think we should ever consider bringing Volchenkov back
16 mill left on that contract for 4 years compared to cap relief of Gonchar (1yr 5mill) at the end of next year
Moronic trade offer. No way we go for volchenkov. Great guy but his contract is probably going to be one of the worst in the NHL in the next two years
Nope, never considered it. How come Craig didn't consider all 30 teams, too much work for him?
My God, he did only 14 because it was a NHL draft lottery preview type ranking, where he focused on the needs of those particular 14 teams
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649
there you go, Craig Button did all his work and thats his top 60 draft eligible players.
And because the playoffs aren't over yet he doesn't know who will be picking where
All he knows is 1-21, Vancouver 26, St Louis 25, Boston 24, Florida 23 the rest are all still up in air (30 is Stanley Cup winner, 29 finalist, 28 and 27 conference finalists, then remaining division winners. Actually thats still up in air because NYR and Phoe(only two division winner remainign could very well lose and fall to the 26 and under range)
so thats why he did his specific rankings for only the top 14
Nope, never considered it. How come Craig didn't consider all 30 teams, too much work for him?
Because the order for 15-30 aren't settled yet?
There is a link to the top 60 contained within the article about Subban jumping up to 10 so it's not like he's ignoring everybody other than the top 14.
Perhaps clicking on a link is too much work too.
If you're interested his 15th ranked player is Mark Jankowski.
The 14 were completed before the first round was completed. His updated version should include Ottawa next week.
We have already discussed Michalek, Spezza, Foligno, Anderson, Lehner, Bishop.
Alfie is retiring(?), Konopka Kuba Carkner UFA, Butler already established to be released.
All we really have left is prospects (Turris/Cowen/K arlsson), smith, neil, gonchar and Phillips to debate everyone else has been accounted for
and the US are losing...he he he.
I know, I know... I was just poking fun at TSN who is a continuous none Ottawa Senator supporter. leaving 15th out just seemed funny.
There's a daily "let's trade player x" thing on this blog lately. Where "x" is usually someone that we either shouldn't trade or that nobody would want. Funny how that works.
BTW - Konopka. Koooooooooooooo onopka.
got me again
Konopka Konopka Konopka
Got it!
I think most people made it pretty well known that trading away players of value isn't something they really want to see, these are just topics/discussi ons that started where people wanted to get thoughts on what it would take, or cost, or whatever. I would never agree on at least 99% of the things being posted in that regard, but it doesn't mean you can't have fun throwing out suggestions. It's the NHL, trades happen every year and for some... they happen every night in NHL 2012.
If it looks like he's not going to make the team or become trade-able, I would assume he gets waived down to Bingo and/or bought out.
Too bad though as I think he's got potential but will just take longer than we thought. Had he ended up playing all year (i.e. if we were really a 14th place rebuilding team and guys like Daugavins, Klinkhammer and O'Brien hadn't passed him on the depth chart) he might have developed into a decent top 9 guy that we could easily trade or actually want to keep.
Now thats a guy i would trade lehner for...
I dont really really think i would trade him for anything else.
And now he's suspended for 1 game. Would be a hard pill to swallow if NJ takes that series in game 5 with Giroux out. Ouch!
Doesn't change things in the end, NJ is the better team. Pitt fans must be freaking out. If their team hadn't tried to play like bruisers in the first 3 games of that series they could be planning the parade by now.
Entire NHL is wide open now. Oh but for a lucky bounce in game 6 or 7 and we could even be getting excited!
As much as I like Bishop and Lehner, and as good as their going to be, they barely have a dozen NHL games between them.
Safer to let them mature and battle for ice time while being guided by the steady hand of a pro.
Look at the leafs for example, they have a pair of young goalies that need more seasoning and veteran guidance, and can't get either.
Or Columbus, they threw there future goalie into the lime light and now he's broken.
Both examples we can avoid by staying the course.
It's true, but as a player who drives as hard as Giroux, it would be a hard pill to swallow for him. It's one thing to play and not win, but not getting the chance, that's the crappy part.
Totally agree.
I'm sorry I missed it, I tuned in last year we he was talking about the draft and it was fascinating.
Are any of you guys surprised that we didn't hear more about him (Pierre Dorion) being considered for the GM job in Montreal? I thought, for sure, he would be considered.
am very happy personally that he wasn't...probab ly one of the best minds/noses when it comes to young talent in the business.
Team1200 usually podcasts and tweets the scratches shows (and others).
If I see it posted I'll pass it on here.
i missed it as well, however i found on twitter a few quotes:
#Sens Dir. of Player Personnel Pierre Dorion told @Team1200Ottawa he thought Stéphane Da Costa "hit the wall" late in season with #BSens...
Dorion: "(Da Costa) has tremendous playmaking ability and puck skills... He's just got to get stronger and be more consistent." #BSens #Sens
Dorion also said #Sens have discussed internally whether to retain the rights to Nikita Filatov. "Depends on the circumstances." #BSens
credit to: Joy Lindsay @PSBJoyOnTheSen s
Those thinking the team should move Anderson are out in left field. We have waited so damn long to find a true #1 goaltender who can show good form in the playoffs. That reason alone means Anderson should be here. He turns 31 this month and there is no reason to think he can't play 4-5 more great seasons. Lehner will be the backup until he shines brightly enough to steal the job - if he ever does.
Oh and to that one guy saying Anderson had an average season I'd love to meet you and laugh in your face. Anderson was incredibly consistent for Ottawa this year. He rarely ever gave up soft goals and gave the team a chance to win virtually every time out. He stood toe to toe with the best goaltender in the NHL in a 7 game series. Stealing the game we won 2-0. Anderson was easily right up there with Karlsson and Spezza as the teams MVP. He probably stole 10 points for the Senators by himself this season with his play. Certainly much more consistent than anything Ottawa has had in years.
Just to be extra kind to the Nash deal lovers, lets analyze a potential Nash deal based on his best statistical output with the CBJ, and furthermore lets reduce Michalek's production back closer to his average with Ottawa. I'll leave Foligno's production similar to this year because I think he's going to stay there or improve, I'll also project his new salary.
Nash = 40g, 40a, 80pts for 7.8M
Michalek = 27g, 27a, 55pts for 4.3M
Foligno = 15g, 30a, 45pts for 2.75M
1st Round Pick
So even if we make Michalek regress significantly. We lose goals, assists, points, youth, and almost a million dollars in cap space. Not to mention a 1st round pick that could end up being a strong player for Ottawa down the road.
This is what you call a really bad long-term deal. It looks okay on the surface but when you take a moment to look deeper it's truly awful. Michalek is one of the best value contracts in the NHL. Those type of contracts don't grow on trees and you don't give them away. The best way to build a deep team is by having affordable quality talent.
While I agree that specific trade is too much, I will point out that you can't just have a whole team of "good contracts". Sometimes you have to pay for a superstar or two that don't produce the same points-per-dollar.
Now that just could be Spezza and Karlsson for us or we could end up having another guy that fits in that category too.
Basically between the "no stars" model and the old TB model of having four guys making $7M and the rest at league minimum.
McKenna is a UFA is he not? His recent twitter activity sounds like a guy who doesn't expect to be back.
I think I'd keep all three as well and sign a UFA goalie who's a career AHLer (Mike Brodeur type) who won't mind being the backup to Lehner and can teach him a little about being a pro etc. But who won't totally destroy the B-Sens if he has to play a few games due to Lehner getting called up or injuries etc.
I'd still suggest we draft a goalie in the middle rounds as well that can play another year of junior or something.
Lehner + Subban in Bingo is too green for my taste - you typically want one guy to have more maturity.
My 2 cents.
Why not offer Alex Auld a two way deal so he can back up Lehner in the AHL? I'll be shocked if anyone signs him to a one way deal. He's well liked in the room and it would allow him to continue his career. I believe Subban would be too young to play in the AHL so that isn't even an option if we draft him.
I say we do nothing, let the goalies battle for spots but i would expect no changes compared to the end of this year.
next year bingo becomes a MUCH better team. we have a lot of prospects graduating from the CHL/NCAA etc. that are ready to move on to the pros. bingo will be a pretty competitive team next season, so lehner will get more wins and a ton more support from the players infront of him.
Totally hope this happens
To OTT: Rick Nash
To CBJ: 2012 1st rd pick, Ben Bishop, Mika Zibanejad
2012-2013 Lineup:
Nash-Spezza-Silfverberg
Michalek-Turris-Alfredsson
Foligno-Smith-Regin
Greening-Konopka-Neil
Extra: Winchester,Condra
Carle/other UFA-Karlsson
Cowen-Gonchar
Phillips-Borocop
Extra: Carkner
1)Anderson 2)Lehner
Looks pretty solid to me...what do u guys think?
Not Mika, brother. If you replace Mika with Michalek while still keeping Mika and obtaining Rick, then balls out. 1st round, Milan and Bishop seems to be not overly generous yet not overboard, so good shit right there.
not to mention some more swedes, next years bingo team will have the potiential to be a contender. i'm hoping matt carkner gets a 2way so he could protect our future and direct the bsens the right way through any rough patches they may come by.
Can't believe I'm reading this morning suggestions by the media that the Sens go after Dustin Penner. The guy is garbage and I don't care that he is playing better. The last thing the Sens need is another Kovalev experiment. Penner is all about the cash. So my advice to BM stay far away from this guy.
On the other hand, a veteran like a Chris Kelly would be a good addition. However, the Sens can't break the bank. If he is willing to take a "hometown" discount then go for it. As for Volchenkov, as much as I think the guy was warrior during his time here in Ottawa, 4.25 million for him is crazy. Can't say I know much about Marc Methot but I see that he is 26 and making 3 million a year. If it's a fit then try and get him, but the Sens shouldn't give up much for him.
Murray will ask Lehner to prove something this year in Bingo and we'll see if he has the right state of mind to be our future No 1 goaltender. Imagine if he could have a career à la Brodeur as being our No 1 goaltender for 20 years +.
I would not give up our 1st for him however. We need that pick to take another D man in the draft. I would consider moving a few of our offensive prospects to Toronto. Someone suggested Pumpel, I think it may take Pumpel and a pick. Ottawa won't be giving up any 1st's and don't have a 2ndfor the next two years (see Turris and Bishop trades), so it will have to be 3rd or a combination of later round picks.
I can actually see this working for both teams as TO would shed cap space, and Ottawa would get help on D and help reduce the log jam of offensive prospects.
As far as prospects, the guys the Sens should not trade until we can really evaluate are:
-Zibby, Noosen, Silfverberg, Stone, Weircioch (i know he has had a crappy few years but give him some more time), Borocop, Filatov
The guys that should be used in trade scenarios are:
- Gryba, Pageau, Prince, Petersson, Da Costa
I don't know much about Methot, often the case for me with defense playing on Western teams. I tend to know the key guys more often, but personally Methot has fallen through the cracks on my radar. Looking at his info, he's a defensive defenseman with size AND knows how to use it. No offensive upside, but maybe the Sens feel we have the perfect mix of offense in our defense already and need a more stay at home guy to level out the backend.
Methot appears to have been on the 2nd to 3rd pairing, most often due to injuries. But his injury history beyond his knee in 2008 and a few flu bugs looks more freak in nature as of late, thumb, broken jaw, upper/lower body, those are signs of a guy who isn't scared of getting in the lanes or dirty area's which could be a good thing. Methot is getting a shot at worlds now that he's back from injury, it could be a good showcase for him.
As much as I think Schenn has some upside, especially leaving the Leafs, I would HATE to trade away our prospects to them, that would just erk me. And I don't think you'd EVER see Ottawa and Toronto make a big trade like that, inter conference trades just don't happen.
He also played for Team Canada at last year's Worlds also
I would agree. But with Nash still being young it's a bit different than trading away prospects for old geezers. But yeah, the amount we'd have to give up to get him is probably too high. A top UFA next summer is probably the better route.
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