The first period was one of the most technically sound periods I have seen the Senators play in quite sometime. They were strong on the forecheck and did a great job breaking up the Boston attack in the neutral zone and countering the other way in a hurry. Coach MacLean had to like what he saw in the first twenty.
With the Senators controlling the play in the second period, Erik Condra had a chance to put the Sens up by two and somehow missed a wide open net.
The Sens were able to hold the lead through 40 but it felt like the missed open net and a number of huge saves by Tim Thomas would come back to bite the Senators. Facing the pressure of the defending champs in their building and in just his third start of the season, Robin Lehner took the game over. The 20 year old battled unbelievably hard in the Senators net and made some huge stops over the final 20.
Along with his first career shutout, Lehner moves his record on the season to a perfect 3-0-0.
With the win, the Ottawa Senators pull within just one point of the division leading Bruins and jump into 5th in the Eastern Conference. The Sens have a couple days off before they host the Chicago Blackhawks on Friday night at SBP.
Remember you can join other SensChirp fans at that game courtesy of Local Heroes. For $60 you get a 300 level ticket, dinner ($15 or less) and transportation to and from the game. Call 613 224 3873 and mention the SensChirp event to book your spot. Space is limited!
- Matt Gilroy played his first game in a Senators uniform and it was a fairly quiet debut. One thing that jumped out at me right off the bat was just how quick he is. Great acceleration and always seems like he is looking to jump into the play. Also saw just how hard he shoots the puck on a couple of occassions.
- Ben Bishop made his Binghamton Senators debut and while I wasn't able to tune in, it sounds like he stood on his head. Bishop stopped 41 shots in a 5-1 Binghamton win. The Bsens were outshot 42-39 in a game where Bishop was named the game's first star.
Said during spring training the last 2 seasons Lehner has been BY FAR our best goalie.
Well done Mister Lehner !
You are the fucking man.
Sincerely,
Sens Army
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BUT WHO CARES
LEHNER IS A BEAST!
Is it bad that I don't care either? Haha just kidding, I'll try to fix it.
DaCosta wasn't dressed for the game tonight. Is he injured?
Great job lehner on your first nhl shutout.
Awesome goaltending never hurts. Team either......way to go rockin Robin! :)
I teared up watching this vid after tonight...
Unbelievable how much I love this team right now.
Hopefully the two points gained tonight put the Sens in a position to avoid the Bruins in the first round. The Bruins have another gear, and would not be fun to meet in Round 1.
Yep. Missed practice the other day if I recall correctly.
Turris has had a ton of chances lately and just can't seem to finish. Always feel like they can count on Alfie when they need offence. Foligno, Greening and co. have cooled off for sure.
How about a comment on what you saw in Ben Bishop tonight? Did you catch the game?
I watched the first period through gamecenter and was tuned into the NESN broadcast. All I can say about that commentating team is - What a bunch of whinny uninformed bitches. Questioning why Butler wasn't called for goalie interference (when he was upended and grazed Thomas)...also commented at one point about - "How could Thomas's stick get caught up with Alfredsson unless Alfie was interfering with Thomas on the goal"
They also didn't understand how Seguin could be called for interference (or a penalty at all) for slashing the stick out of Butlers hands in front of the Ottawa net. They claim that is not something ever called, nor should it be ----WHO ARE THESE GUYS!!!
They dont know shit it all about hockey might as well mute them during a game or i might smash my 60'' led tv screen to shut them up lol. I remember last time i listened to them they were talking about baseball more then the game!!
you know - not to be harsh on them lol - i will excuse their dire ineptitude and idocity with the notion that maybe they are just as shocked at the sens run this year as every other non-sens reporter and fan. case in point: when chara DOVE with two minutes remaining Jack Edwards proceeded to proclaim that it is ridiculous that a man with the stature of chara and the physical strength of Chara can so easily be hauled down by a crazy weak swing by one player such as Gonchar, however since the sens got some undeserved PPs earlier in the game, the Bruins also stand to obtain an undeserved PP with 2 minutes to go in the game.
in the end, i think its a tough pill to swallow for basically each homer broadcaster, when a team basically labelled as a basement dweller to start the season is giving the stanley cup champions a good run for the money each time we play them. Out of the 5 games sens and bos have played, each has been close fought and the sens have not been dominated as they would expect. and today they finally did the unthinkable, they not only beat Thomas in Boston, they shut-out the fuckers with a 20 year old goalie in net.
Beast of a game by Lehner! Was also impressed with how the Sens played. Very technically sound and organized throughout the game and the penalty kill led by Lehner of course was so clutch.
Guys who stood out for me was Konopka, he actually had an effective game and didn't take a penalty. Gilroy is a good defenceman. Offensively oriented, but doesn't look like a huge liability either.
Words can't express how happy it is to be a Sens fan watching the team win while Leafs fans are in disarray over their falling team. The best of both worlds.
Chirp I was there. HUGE BOY. Very confident! No rebounds. And one helluva talk to his D. Boro and him really hit it off with the communication. He is a pro to be sure. What a pickup. And lastly at 6'7 he cleared his own crease...Just one armed guys aside. Ottawa has options...
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/41527-The-Hockey-News-201112-NHL-predictions
now that is some serious goalie prowess....clearing your own crease.....WOW
Quoting G-MAN:
I think they pulled the page....it gives me this lol:
"We're sorry, that page cannot be found."
Lehner has been great these past 2 games. I hope he gets the ball Friday as well. I will be at that game and want to cheer for him in the introduction. He deserves to be given the ball a little bit and see if he can run with it.
I hope they call up Bishop Saturday and send Auld down. Lets Bishop and Lehner play out the string until Andy comes back. Whomever is playing better between the two of them will back up Anderson in the playoffs. Exciting time for our team and fans for sure!
Can they not just put Auld on waivers and then send him down? I know it's a shitty way to treat a veteren but he's played his last minute in Ottawa
Too bad that it doesn't work...their analysis is quite funny in hindsight.
"Ottawa has options" is the most fantastic part of all of this...
LOL THE BEST PART THE LEAFS ARE DOING JUST AS PREDICTED HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AH
Yeah the last edition i saw on the front page it says paraphrased
"Ottawa doing well who would have predicted it*
*Not us"
"It's unbelievable. I was joking with him [Monday]," Alfreddson recalled. "He's saying it would be nice to win [Tuesday]. I said that if you have a shutout, I can guarantee I'll score a goal. ... He was kind of laughing."
Was also impressed with how the Sens played. Very technically sound and organized throughout the game
HELLOOOOOOO paul McLain !
That being said - credit to the Sens for making the B's look so bad (though Thomas was lucky/good as usual).
Got a bit heated when Lucic took that dumb penalty - I was chirping Corvo pretty hard since if he had actually manned up (or not shot of his mouth) I doubt Lucic would have felt the need to run around like an idiot.
Not eager to play them but would be a lot of fun to see these teams play 7 games.
HELLOOOOOOO paul McLain !
Um, who's that? Is he the guy that coaches Jarrod Cowan, Kris Neal, Zak Smyth, Millan Mickalak and Philip Kooba?
The Boston announcers are inane crybaby homers, self justifying and arrogant to boot. Painful and nonsensical. (And it has ever been so)...
Great game altogether.
This felt like a playoff game and was by far the best game of the year...
Neil's big hit from the other night, front page highlight.
Sens win over the Bruins - main topic.
Lehner's first shutout - top headline.
First star last night in the NHL - Lehner.
Last night's game was unbelievable! Great composure by the Sens to not let the Turris/Corvo incident goad them into penalties. Great confident goaltending. Awesome PK and PP!
GO SENS GO!!!!!
I think Condra needs to go see him...
I probably would have done the same but not because of the tap but because Lucic scares the shit out of me!
Anyways, like Hax mentioned, that was not a hungry Bruins team, they did not take this game seriously and it showed. The lack of intensity from the Bruins was very noticeable. Not many quality scoring chances on Lehner, almost everyshot was from the wing cutting in on their backhands...
A W is a W tho and we need more of them to stay in the playoffs.
That would be a huge slap in the face to Anderson, he's the main reason we sit where we are.
Lehner is only called up because of injury, once Anderson gets back, Anderson is #1, no questions asked.
Lehner either goes back to Bingo or backs up Anderson.
Remember a guy called Mike Brodeur, yeah, they put Elliott right back in when he was rdy, even tho Brodeur had 2 shutouts in 2 games.
Well I guess they will have to think real hard if Lehner wins 15+ of the last 20 games, then sure, they would have to actually think about it but I think Anderson goes back in either way.
At least when coach Mac speaks he gives the other team credit for playing a good game. On this night the Sens played better than the Bruins plain and simple.
On another note, nice article on the AHL site about Rob Klinkhammer. At 6-3 and 210 pounds I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a call up at the end of the season to see what he has.
Hey Chirp, can you ride the shuttle from Local Heroes if you already have tickets for the game?
I hope you are just being your controversial self, either that or maybe you have never played hockey.
I suggest you put on a pair of skates and ask someone to slash you in the back of the leg (where there is no padding) and see how long you stay up, then come back and tells us that EK65 is a diver.
I presume this must have been asked before, but are you even a Sens fan?
You say there weren't hungry and not many good scoring chances?
Perhaps rather than being negative, you could have watched the game and noticed how well the Sens played defensively and kept most shots to the outside and cleared the garbage in front of the net well...
Maybe your the one who never played hockey, even I have protection there with my shin pads. And I've been slashed many times, it dont hurt like you got shot in the leg...
And worst he barely hit the ice and was up again, he realized he shouldnt have fallen like that and got up quickly.
Alfie's crosscheck to Lucic after was much harder yet Lucic didnt fall over like he was shot...
Just saying, maybe the ref's were right.
and im excited for march, bunch of the games are on tv tsn/cbc
By far the best game , the best COMPLETE game we played this year .
We are fans of the coolest team in the league , thorugh adversity , we will prevail ;)
Go sens GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOO
Believe so. Costs $5 if I'm not mistaken. Give them a call to make sure though.
Also great to see that Bishop played a great first game in Bingo last night for the win. Good goaltending is something they have missed this yr as well even though it's Lehner that should have been playing great done there. He must be bored or something down there in Bingo, not sure what he will do next season, stay in Bingo or go back to Sweden.
Gilroy is an excellent skater & has a tremendous hard shot on net, he also joins the rush & is fast enough to get back to defend, another excellent pickup by Murray.
next year, who knows maybe Anderson only starts 70 percent of games, but he's our guy for the next while.
100% agreed. Its sad, some fans are rdy to throw Andy under the bus even after getting us here.
Great to hear Bishop had a good start too. This is the kind of potentially goalie controversy that I would welcome. 3 talented goalies fighting for that spot!
I could not sit down during the entire game. It was so nerve wracking and high energy, great game and felt exactly like a playoff game.
After a stinker snorefest tired squad game against the Isles this weekend, last night was definitely our best team effort of the season. Coulda, woulda, shoulda been 4-0 or 5-0. We got the monkey off our back and fought hard as nail for an incredibly important two points.
Is it Friday yet!
GO SENS! #LEHNSANITY
Robin Lehner is truly showing why he should remain with
the Sens in Ottawa.
Hope he starts again on Friday at SBP vs the Hawks.
Did notice that we had a lot of new posters on this thread,
who are very excited about this huge win !!
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
4/5 of their bottom five in the East are in the playoffs or just 1 point out (Winterpeg). The only Eastern division leader they have correct at this point is Boston, and their proclaimed "first in the East" Washington is barely clinging onto the final playoff spot.
I know an NHL season can be full of surprises, but the pundits can suck it, especially the clowns at THN and TSN.
I honestly have never seen/heard the fans here in such a state.
We have three awesome goalies, what a position to be in going into playoffs, can it be any better, We have never had that, been lucky to have had one.
The sad part of the story is Auld has to go, if we are going to carry three goalies into playoffs or even two Auld can't be one of them.
It is a tough move but needs to be done at some point.
I don't feel that bad given how they are pricks. However, that's a fun game to play. I for one have hit puberty, graduated high school and university, gained 50 pounds, started my own business, etc... and all the while the leafs organization has accomplished absolutely nothing. Feels good I'd say...
I'm not saying they should be hard on Erik, cuz hey, Crosby gets the exact same treatment- once you're a star in this league, chances are the opposing teams subconsciously fear the consequences of hurting you. My worry is that once Alfie has retired, all the goons will be looking for No.65.. but with the culture McStash is building in O-town, I'd hope that being a team and standing up for each other comes first. I'm liking what I see so far when this team sticks together (makes Buffalo look like a joke LOL).
First off, that's hilarious.
It really does exemplify how shitty the Leafs organization has been and continues to be.
In all honestly though for the first time ever, I actually felt BAD for Ron Wilson last night in his post game presser.
His eyes were all red, it honestly looked like he'd been crying!
Never, EVER thought I would have a touch of remorse for the Leafs...last and ONLY time, sorry guys.
Go Sens!!!!
You can say the same about Columbus.. That franchise is a MESS.. they make the Oilers look like geniuses.
Attend a Leafs @ Ottawa game some time and you will NEVER feel sorry for Leafs fans again. F**k'em, every last one of them.
Suck it Leafs fans! Sleep sad!
As much as a prima dona Emery may have been, the organization screwed him over with the whole Gerber is our #1 bs after he brought us to the cup, and I just hope we don't do the same to Lehner and Bishop.
My suggestion would be to have Lehner and Bishop fight it out while Anderson is injured, and then once he returns have the winner backup Anderson for the rest of this year or until they outplay him. At the end of the year though, we do have to consider moving him if Bishop is truly NHL ready as well.
Give Bishop and Lehner about 40 games each next year (depending on performance and hot streaks). Anderson could be very valuable in either trading for early negotiating rights for Parise or a trade for Nash as both those teams are looking for a quality starter, and Anderson is definitely an NHL caliber starter.
All that to say I'm not down on Anderson, he's exactly what I thought he was, but Lehner is/will be better.
Haha completely agree. No sympathy for them whatsoever. You know we would be hearing it from them if the roles were reversed.
Murray knows this! Why do you think he signed Andy for 4 years. Sure he could trade him, but I’m willing to bet he’ll be our starter next year too.
The slash that Lucic applied to Karlsson if you look carefully was a pretty good one. No prob with a penalty on that as they call a lot less. Hell he deserved 3 penalties on that play. The elbow-the slash- and the roughing on Turris. SENS can beat anyone in the East as they've proved all year long. IT will be interesting in the PLAYOFFS. East is up for GRABS. Like I said previously surprisingly in YEAR 1 the SENS have perhaps the best team they've ever iced. I think this TEAM is better than the one that went to the Finals in 2007. PLayer for Player the argument can be made quite easily.
Started to walk, grew up high school, married, business on and on.
Leafs have and always will suck for over 30+ years, no reason to feel any sympathy now, it is just normal everyday life for them to suck, nothing new.
The only sympathy you will see from me where leafs are concerned is us having to put up with them at SBP, that is all.
@ The Boss,
First off, Karlsson reminds me of Bobby Orr !!
He is very fast, shifty, and a great skater.
In order to hit him ,they must first of all catch him ??
When Alfredsson does retire, Karlsson will have the whole team standing up for him !!
Paul Maclean, Karlsson and Spezza are the reasons we are having such a great season!
I said one of the main reasons.
Yes I agree you did. But in my opinion he's not even top 3. Unless you go really deep into the # of reasons like top 5.
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/hockey/Canada/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Ottawa.html
@ Sensation,
Ok, so you agree that he is our #1 goalie, right ??
You have to also agree, that since he played 90% or some high percentage of the games, he won many of these, right??
Therefore, he is one of the main reasons, we are where we are ,right??
To me, he saved the Sens many times, in the multiple games he was in goal !!
Quoting Ozzyb:
Quoting Sensnation:
seriously guys.......its a team game and everyone has chipped in. Every one has come to play this year and have put in their part all along the way, including the guys we traded away in Rundblad and Lee. Yes some may have done more than the others, but in essence, every player on the team is doing his part and his best. Quite shameful how people here are trying to rank which sens player is most responsible for the run. Ridiculous.
SEE MY POST #94 just above !!
I disagree with your jump from playing 90% to main (top 3) reasons because his play for most games has been average for a starting NHL goalie. It's way better then we are used to in Ottawa, but most starting goalies in the NHL would have given similar results. That's all I'm saying.
Don't get me wrong he has stolen some games for us this year and if we didn't have high end prospects I'd be more than happy to stick with him. But we do.
Think of it this way, Montreal had Price and Halak, which did they trade? I personally think they kept the right horse in that race and in our situation I think Price = Lehner.
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/hockey/Canada/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Ottawa.html
Lehner looks like the real deal. He's a big game player, someone who you know will perform under pressure. even though he is a rookie, he plays like he's ready for the NHL, he plays like he's been there before with veteran confidence. you can tell the players believe in him as well, and they play like they know he will have there back.
I don't disagree with you but I do wonder why you felt the need to bring it up. Anderson has been great for us, Sens best goaltender since Emery 07, 5 long years ago.
The one point where I think Anderson has been more important than the other players mentioned is that there have been bundles of games where the great play of Spezza or Karlsson or Alfie would have been largely irrelevant because instead of being only one or two goals down we would be three or four behind. Being in such a consitent hole makes it less likely that the others could raise the game because of the hopeless nature of the battle in front of them.
There was a stretch of games where we were hopelessly outshot early and Anderson gave us the opportunity to recover from terrible first period after terrible first period. The games where Anderson really couldn't cope with the early shellacking he got ended 7-1 and 7-2 or the Montreal game at 6-2. We aren't talking 4-2 or 5-3 games here.
The belief that Anderson has given the team can't be understated.
I still don't have Anderson as our MVP(erson), I actually think that's Paul MacLean, but without Anderson much of the work of the other players would have gone to waste because too many situations would have been irretrievable.
Sorry, not sure I understand your question. Your wondering why I brought up a discussion about our starting goaltender position after our #1 prospect showed he's NHL ready?
To ease their pain a bit I've gone ahead and sketched out the Leafs headlines for the next ten games:
Blackhawks Down! (The Leafs).
Price Tag. Carey Blanks Leafs to Reduce Playoff Odds to 6%.
Charred Remains. Zdeno's Third Period Blast Hands Floundering Leafs their Sixth Straight Home Loss.
March of the Penguins. Leafs Trampled in Pittsburgh.
Tailspin. Philly Flies Past Leafs.
Capital Punishment. Washington Hands Leafs 11th Straight Loss.
Floundering in Florida. Leafs Flushed as Panthers Set Franchise Scoring Record.
Thunderstruck. Hapless Leafs Pounded Yet Again.
Shellacking of Ontario. Anderson Shuts out Anemic Leafs in his Return from Injury.
This. Exactly.
EEEEEEEEEEYORE !
My apologies, I didnt think this was a discussion about our starting goaltender position. I thought it was about whether Anderson was was more a reason for our success vs. Spezza, Karlsson or MacLean.
I agree, without a true NHL starter in nets this team would be in worse position, but that doesn't necessarily make him the MVP as you mentioned. His stats are barely average and that's with a really good last month or so on his part. I think he's been a big part of the team this year, but his performance is what you should expect of a normal NHL starting goalie. He's not special, Lehner is in my opinion.
In other words, with Anderson we have a chance to have a really good season this year and next year. I believe with Lehner those seasons can be even better.
What's amazing is that we have three goalies who would all fetch way, way more than a second round pick.
Like everyone here I really like Lehner, but we shouldn’t put tons of pressure on a 21 year old goalie. Goalie is an extremely mentally tough position; you’re the last line of defence. Ever since Andy has come in here, he’s really helped to stabilize the position. He’s been in the league for a while now and has learned positive things while he was backup from both khabibulin and Vokoun. I think that we should never under estimate the presence of a veteran goalie. Heck look at Toronto, Bruke thought that 2 young goalies could manage the position and look at where the Leafs are in the standings, not to mention the countless negativity those 2 goalies hear every day from the T.O. media.
With all that said, I think those are some of the countless reasons why a veteran goalie is a good idea for any team.
No truer words have ever been stated.
Just checked Anderson stats :
Games played 54 Wins 29 Losses 19 OT 6
Not bad , for an average starting goalie !
No use in debating any further, we really win as a team !!
Last night in Boston, was a classic example , right Sensation !!
It's all been downhill since they traded Frank Mahovolich.
Oh ok, I understand now. The reason I bring up this line of discussion is that if Anderson is a top 3 reason for our success he should be our goalie of the present and future. I'm trying to understand if there are people who think he is top 3 and the reasons why they think he is. I'm hoping there's a good reason I just haven't thought of aside from he was the starter 1st and did good.
I still think the process of giving the starting job to Lehner or Bishop should involve a healthy competition that allows Anderson to disprove my opinion of him and Lehner. I'm not saying waive Anderson tomorrow, just start looking into trading him this summer if Lehner AND Bishop prove NHL worthy, which I personally think they are.
I'm not looking to put any extra pressure on him, but he'll be the first to tell you he wants that pressure.
Some may think Lehner is the next Steve Mason, Corey Crawford or James Reimer if not developed perfectly, but I contend that if you've followed his development and success throughout his career you will notice that Lehner is not your average prospect, he is one of the best goaltender prospects and will be an elite player during his career. Elite prospect like Carey Price and Marc Andre Fleury were.
In the end there's no clear cut right answer to the situation. Boston has kept Rask as a backup for a long time though he may be a top 5-8 goalie in the league if he were a starter. Others gave the reigns to their elite prospect as soon as the player was ready. But I also don't think Anderson is as good as Thomas, and thus why I would look at moving to Lehner earlier than 2-3 years from now.
Personally, i don't think the rest of this season is enough time. And really, there is no rush on this. I honestly think Lehner plays in Bingo next year and maybe they assess at the deadline where they are at. Lehner is still only 20 so there is time but obviously, if he plays every game like he did last night (tough to maintain) there is nothing to discuss, net is his.
So after a handfull of games your rdy to give the starting job to unproven rookies? and ship out Anderson, LMAO!
I completely understand, and I get where you are coming from. Several ways to achieve success as a team and organization and they can all be right, which is why it's very enjoyable to discuss it with other fans. Thanks guys, I appreciate your points.
I'm thinking a young Patrick Roy in many ways.
I disagree with your assessment that Lehner is NHL ready. What he has shown us is that there is no need for us to wail and rent at our clothing if he is in the lineup.
He's played 11 or 12 NHL games and won 4 of them. He's proven nothing w/regards handling a full season of play in the NHL. In fact he hasn't even proven that at AHL level yet.
I don't think we have an issue next year. We are still rebuilding. Anderson remains the number one next year with Bishop as the likely back-up. Lehner waits his chance in the AHL. At the end of next season the sens organisation has a decision to make, especially if Bishop has shown he can handle the back-up role or maybe even more.
Lehner could be the sort of player than plays better when he's in a pressure situation, that's a great asset to have, but when MacLean is preaching that you earn your ice time and then you get rewarded I thiknk he has to show a little more in Bingo next season.
Until the point where we truly have 3 goalies fighting for 2 spots I don't see a problem. And when there is an issue, it's a great one to have beecause in all likelihood the odd man out of the three gets us something in return.
Handful? Tookie, I've been following Lehner a lot longer then you even knew about him. Trust me, he is the real deal and he will be ready to play 35+ games as soon as next year. You think I watched him shutout Boston and made the homer jump, but my opinions are purely based on the skillset I see in both him and Anderson.
As of right now Lehner is are man don't question him cause all he does is prove people wrong !!
I use too watch a lot Rangers games when I lived in NYC and Lehner last night reminded me of hank last night .. Confident strong and played his angles
Listen to this stat. Karlsson 1st d man to get 18points over 8 games since ray bourque in 1993 1994
Release the Lehner
I would not hesitate to start Lehner for all the games in next few weeks, and until Anderson returns.
Maybe, even give Ben Bishop a game or 2 in that same timespan.
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!
The key thing to realize about Anderson is the effect he has on our high skilled lpayers. Its the similar effect Maclean has had on them.
Maclean encourages and allows our players to try things and make chances happen. He doesn't punish them when they fail or turn the puck over.
Similarily Anderson does the same. The trust the Sens have with him in the net has allowed them to focus on what they do best. Smith/Condra/Ne il etc these players it doesn't really matter, thats all Maclean. But when it comes to Spezza, Alfie, Turris, Karlsson, the confidence they have in Anderson allows them to not second guess themselves on the ice, because they know they will be bailed out a large majority of the time
This is why Anderson ia top 3 reason for our success. Just look at how tentative we are when Auld is in net. Dynamics on the ice change
Andy should take time and rest cant play every game and if Lehner can run with it for 10 to 15 games it will help come playoffs
Show more in Bingo? - That's where I have to strongly disagree with your point. He's won the AHL, he has little left to prove there. The main experience he is getting in the AHL at this point is workload, but due to injuries and other issues he's barely even getting that there. He is playing on a much worse team in Bingo this year, his save % is respectable but his goals against is not. That speaks to a team problem not a pure Lehner problem.
I don't think it's fair to say prospects MUST prove themselves for years in the AHL if they are already able to handle NHL caliber shooters and gameplay.
I agree with you though, he is likely not ready for 65+ games next year. I mentioned a timeshare with Bishop (if he's ready) and if not I'm fine with him as a backup to Anderson that gets 35+ starts. There were conditions to my shipping out Anderson comment that started all of this, we don't trade him if Lehner and/or Bishop falter significantly. But I don't agree with holding Lehner and Bishop back beyond this year if they show they are ready.
The great thing is that the team has also shown this trust and relationship with Lehner. We need that trust with whoever is our goalie, starter or backup.
Remember the last team that rushed their goalie? (Habs a la Carey Price)
I say, take it easy on Lehner, and play Anderson — just not as much as he plays this season (Freakin' Workhouse that guy is.) Anderson played like what? 90% of the games? I think Anderson should take about 60%-70% and lighten his workload. Play the backup (whoever that may be, as long as its not Auld) for the remaining 40%-30%.
I'm sorry but Tookie is absolutely correct. Lehner doesn't even have a dozen lifetime NHL games in him and only a couple this season. We all want him to reach crazy levels of success and the past few days have been encouraging... but that is too small a sample size, doubly so for a guy not doing that well on the farm team and apparently having motivational issues to some extent down there.
Ben Bishop is an even greater unknown.
Anderson is our man and I'm in the camp that would say he is our team MVP so far this year. So many nights when the team struggled, defense was anemic at best and couldn't clear our zone for their lives, Anderson bailed us out again and again and again.
Anderson comes back and under pretty much any circumstance he gets the keys back. In the meantime it will be great fun for the fans and valuable to the organization to have Lehner and Bishop battling it out for a couple of weeks, a stretch that will likely determine who will be our backup the rest of the season and give us a thermometer reading on where these guys are at.
Lehner has been great, I even ordered a #LEHNSANITY shirt today, but fans here are a bit too quick to name our players the second coming of jebus and also too quick to throw our guys under the bus!
Thats funny, he's won 1 playoff on team stacked with players who played in and out of the NHL all year.
Anyone can goaltend, not everyone can handle the workload, seems like Lehner is struggling with the workload.
Another FULL year in the AHL is a must to see if he can finally handle it. Bishop can and has proven it.
What Lehner has to show in Bingo is that he can play more than 25 games in a season at a consistent level. He hasn't done that yet. He had an exceptionally hot run in the playoffs but I would like to see more consistency from him.
I admit I haven't seen many bingo games and am taking my views from the writings of reporters who have seen them. I agree that he doesn't have to play as long in the AHL as most but those that make the jump with limited AHL experience like Price and Fleury (and remain successful) are few and far between - and the generally don't get picked up in the 2nd round of the draft either.
I also agree that you don't hoild Bishop and Lehner back a year once they show they are ready. My contention is that neither of them have yet.
Maybe this is where you and I disagree Tookie. We have a good opportunity here to allow one of these guys to EARN the backup position by performing while Anderson is out. I would not necessarily just give the position to Bishop, let the fates decide, let them battle it out until Anderson comes back! Then next spring they can renew the battle at training camp.
Ok so let's put Lehner in the minors now and ride Auld ....cause Lehner is clearly not ready right Tookie .. Fuck your an idiot
And bishop has losing record in NHL whats Lehners NHL record ?
So because you say, he can handle it, he can? because you watched him play, its justified? Listen, unless your a pro scout, your opinion on him is the same as joe bob from chicago, wether people have watched him or not the verdict is the same...not consistent, huge potential. Needs more AHL games.
I've said my piece about the goaltending situation, now I am happy to leave it in the hands of our coaching staff.
Trust me I'm not trying to oversell or give him things he hasn't earned. Once you can play in the NHL there is little reason to continue toiling in the AHL no matter what round you were drafted in, that is as much a recipe for disaster as rushing a prospect.
Lehner is the real deal and I will enjoy him showing our fan base over the coming weeks and years. This isn't a case of being super high on a prospect that doesn't deserve it.
Lehner also had a losing NHL record, dumbass. its been posted before.
Lehner is 4-4
Bishiop is 4-5
Same here, whoever they try at backup I'll be fine with, Anderson is our #1 man!
As much as I just want to ignore your comments, too many people here mistakenly seem to think you have some special understanding of the business for me to let this go. Am I a pro scout, no not yet, but I am a coach and I do have a pretty good eye for evaluating talent and collecting information from a lot of various sources and finding the underlying trend.
Brian Murray, the scouts, other teams' scouts and management, his coaches and his teammates all believe he is going to be something special and is on the cusp of starting to deliver it. Don't take my word, take theirs! Even after getting Bishop, Murray was still all about Lehner as the future.
All he's been missing is the opportunity at the NHL level, he needs a chance to sink or swim and then develop from there.
So Lehner with only 50 AHL games still has better nhl record then Bishop !!! A AHL vet
So dumbass why does he need AhL if he wins in the NHL ??
Your a pro scout aren't u Debbie downer ??
Had a losing record ... Idiot
I'm done with you ..you just hate on people cause of you own issues pretty sad .. Don't bother replying cause I won't so sad little man
LOL. I don't think many people here would describe Tookie in that manner actually, as much as I enjoy the contrast of opinion she brings to the conversations here...
At least you are open-minded about all the discussions we have shared!!
I still believe, that once Anderson nears the end of his current contract, he just might be the backup to Lehner !!
Lehner is that you?
Switching gears a little here - it's always fun to talk and discuss / dream about what COULD BE in the future. I can't help but wonder IF in reality, Sens do have a shot at landing Parise / Suter? (Assuming they hit FA). I mean think about it, who wouldn't want to slide in on a first pairing D with King Karl. Who wouldn't want to rip it up alongside Spezz, arguably one of the eat centres in the league at the moment. If the rumors are true, and these guys are looking to sign somewhere as a package being good friends, why not take them both on! (Greedy I know) instant cup contenders on a young, exciting team. Fantasy land maybe, but if I were in those shoes, I'd want to play in an exciting, up-tempo environment, with one of the leagues youngest and most exciting teams, already stacked with talent. BAM, instant cup contenders.
I agree with lehner playing great but honestly, get a better nick name than lehsanity. We get it, it's a parody of Linsanity but Try to be original for once, Sens fans.
Ranks right up there with the epic fail of "the Sens mile" which of coarse was yet another rip off, that being calgarys red mile. This city has no creativity.
Great point. Chicago would be another great option. The more we talk about this, it sounds like we could possibly create a bidding war for him if ever Murray goes that route.
This city is full of complainers....
I will listen to Murray over anybody on here. So I heard him say that the organisation believed Lehner had a difficult year in bingo and his performances hadn't been as good as they would like.
I also spotted the fact that they went out and traded for another goalie and gave that goalie a one way contract which, at the very least, says the position for back-up next season isn't just going to be handed to Lehner.
Lehner will hopefully play many games for the senators but he doesn't have to start playing them now.
As for complaining that comments don't add anything, good luck with that. If that filter comes in you're apparently going to be very lonely. Jump down from that high horse you're riding and realise that this forum is for anyone who wants to voice an opinion on the sens, qualified or not.
That would be a dream scenario. I didn't know they were trying to go to a team as a packaged deal, that's pretty cool. Only a few teams could afford to do that and be attractive at the same time.
Um where's this coming from? High horse? I think you've misunderstood my position and tone on this. Possibly even who certain comments were directed at. You sound like you think I was taking a run at you. I was not.
Lehnsanity. It's called a meme. A parody of something else currently creating waves in pop culture. You should try taking these things a little less seriously and have some fun.
Lehner came out strong, I think anyone who had any worry that he had the ability to win a game when it was needed, will remember this game. There is no denying he will be given every opportunity to lead this team down the road, with Anderson and Bishop in the system but let's not get too crazy with the whole Anderwho type of comments. Anderson is the reason we are sitting where we are, and Lehner looks to be the reason we will be able to continue cheering into the post season.
But you can't deny just had bad it is to be a Leafs fan right now. Sure, Ottawa went on a bad slide, but they were good enough before it to keep them in the standings. Toronto just picked the worst time and it so happens that the teams behind them continue to play well.
Our jump to 5th has me super excited, but lets focus on winning now, because soon we'll be sitting back waiting for the chips to fall with these games in hand.
Stop talking like this, you are just stealing a gimmick from the boss in Office Space. Come up with something original and yeah... I'm gonna need a TPS report from you.
LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy3rjQGc6lA
Yeah can't source that anywhere, but read chatter on various hockey NHl related blogs that the idea is out there. Either way, I can't see why Ottawa wouldn't be an attractive destination going forward given these circumstances and success this year. I think there would be very few other Canadian teams in a similar position to offer not only the cash, but the ability to play beside such talent. Mtl? LOL TO? Nah, their rebuilding their rebuild. Burke is boss! VAN? Already a cap team. CAL? Going in circles. EDM? Uuummmm, their on the fail for Nail train every year. This has to be one of the better Canadian markets for you g UFA's, simply looking at it logically. (Again, outsiders perspective).
Oops- forgot about Winnioeg. I hear it's real cold and doesn't have ample parks. Ottawa it is!!
Before Bishop I thought this too. The price on Bishop was just so good I think Murray had to act, especially with Anderson's injury. The plan all along may be to flip him once our tender situation is clearer. Murray did say he made the trade because he worried if Auld or Lehner got injured too.
I've assumed Bishop was a short and long term acquisition, but maybe he really is just a short term solution in BM's eyes.
That's ok, I'm good with rumors too, sometimes those give you the missing piece of the puzzle to understand the full picture. I agree out of Canadian teams Ottawa has the best mix of cap space, current and future talent and need. Detroit would probably be a front runner too given those criteria.
i believe you have my red stapler
Haha! I might have to dust that movie off this weekend, haven't seen it in AGES. :)
I have been a big supporter of Lehner since we've drafted him and I've been one of the first in many posts to praise him. Yes, I fell in love all over again last night, as I can see many of you have. But even I know where to draw the line. Lehner has stepped in and did the job we knew Auld wouldn't. He did it very well. I can't wait to wear my new Lehner jersey but until we are ready to break that out full time, Anderson is the man we bet our chips on. Hell, if Toronto had a scenario in Goal even 1/4th as sweet as we have, you can bet your bottom dollar they'd be happy with it. Toronto rushed Reimer into a starting role because of a great end of season last year, look where that got them. We shouldn't even be reading arguments about it, let's be happy we have 3 goalies in our system, enough said.
FREEBIRD !
One of the things that aggravates me the most about Leafs fans is their constant over-estimation s (over-hyping) of their "prospects"- most recently, Reimer (30 good games and he was supposed to be a Vezina candidate), Schenn (the next Scott Stevens/Chris Chelios hybrid?), Kadri (supposed to be a Calder- or maybe even Art Ross- candidate)...
Although those were hyperbolic examples, we should not be handing Lehner the keys after 3 strong games this season. Sure, he has dominated in junior and in last year's AHL playoffs, but so have many goaltenders in history who have never played more than a dozen NHL games.
Anderson is NOT the sole reason we are where we are- but he is a key contributing factor. He has added stability in goal (especially of late), and will be a vital component of any playoff run we hope to have. We could also say our offense would survive without, for example, Michalek- but if he were to be out for an extended period, we would eventually see the negative effects, even if a relatively equal offensive weapon (i.e. Turris) stepped up in his absence.
Lehner is our goalie of the future, and provides an excellent option in the case that Anderson is re-injured or he struggles, but it is Anderson who will be in our crease come playoff time (barring a highly unforeseen development). Book it!
To clarify, I am not saying hand him the reigns today, I'm saying if he earns it allow him the chance to continue competing for it at the NHL level and reassess at the end of the season. Just don't send him to the AHL because of age/experience.
My opinion is he will continue to prove his worth in these next weeks.
There's a difference between the homer who just saw him post a shutout and wants to make him #1 and the guy that has been saying for a year that he'll be ready well before some fans are expecting.
Booo, no team spirit. here's some creativity, your new nickname is "Dyke Lezbauer" how's that?
we should call Lehner "the easter bunny" cause he gave up allowing goals for Lehnt... get it?
The best application of FREEBRIRD in the history of this site. I see what you did there.
You didn't spot anything, I pointed it out to you (Ben's one way contract) about three times.
Bryan was blind sised by Ben's immediate request for a one way contract the SENS were buying they were unaware that Bishop had just come out of the same situation (Jack pot).
I didn't mean that you couldn't comment but the point is it doesn't matter what I or you or Wamsley or the scouts think/report, it's what the goalies think of themselves, what they have been told individually and where they are at.
Read closely and this applies to Madpagamma also it's the "Back Up Job" next year...you are not going to send down Ben Bishop, who's on a one way and has been told he will be part of our, the SENs, goal keeping tandem next year.
I am telling you guys for the third time I don't think the "Rock Star", who has also been made some promises is going to go back to Bingo for one for sure and two maybe years in Bingo! "Ya got three (3) first string goalies and that's a big problem!"
*insert giant question mark icon here*
No kidding....
PAy no attention to him guys , this is him again saying Lehner is not oru number one goalie .... He's been killing the guys every and any chance he gets .
tookie you morron , get a life , or go and cheers your loosers of laughs .
Bledsoe / Brady
Bledsoe was playing great in the season he got injured, Brady came in and never gave up the starting job. I think if Lehner goes on a run over the next 4-8 weeks like many of us think he has the talent to do, how do you take the starting position away from him just as we are entering the playoffs and give it to a cold goalie who hasn't played in potentially 2 months?
Great comparison! Could we be that lucky?
if you look closely at the end of the game and read his lips... I think he is say FU to all those posters the past few days...
He only beat the Stanley Cup Champions, in a 4 point game in their barn, and outplayed one of the best NHL goalies!
this is more of the type of Goalie Controversy we could use here in Ottawa, not who is the better of crap goalies, Leclaire, Elliot or Gerber.
Three goalies in the system who can all steal games!
Great game last night!
lets settle in to 6th place and beat either FLA or Wash in the first round
I think everyone knows Ben Bishop signed a 1 year 1 way with Ottawa. And we all know Anderson is our #1. Just like we all know that Lehner signed a three-year entry-level contract in 2010. Lehner as much as we want him as the backup in Ottawa, will be the starter in Bingo next year. The contracts prove that. If he has attitude about it, Murray will have to deal with that.
Take a look at Florida this year, they have Markstrom who is considered to be THE best young goalie ready for prime time who is also on an entry level contract. Florida was looking to get him between the pipes, but the tandom of Theodore and Clemmensen changed that theory. This happens all the time, and young goalies need to realize it's about putting in the time. Lehner will get his shot, but it won't be next year unless something very crazy happens.
What is this???
What is your real motive here.
The Sens just beat the defending Stanley Cup champions, in their own bare, and for the most part outplayed them...Karlsson was amazing getting the puck out of our end, scores the game winner... and all you have to say is the Bruins sucked, and that Karlsson is a whiner???
you do not have to be a die hard Sens fan to see all the positives in that game, but you say the Sens were lucky to catch the Bruins on a bad day, and that our 21 year old sensation is a diver...
PS Leafs will be out of the playoffs for what is it the 8thy straight year???
Great day to be a Sens fan!
Markstrom is a great prospect as well, but he has been injured a lot this year. Hard to tell what their goaltender situation would be if he wasn't injured.
However he is very much on a similar track as Lehner. He played his 1st season in the AHL last year, and did not get a lions share of the starts. He did not, however, bring his team from the brink of elimination to the AHL championship. He was one of the better goalies in camp for Florida, but like Lehner was sent back for more seasoning in the AHL.
Whenever he is healthy though and starts performing at the NHL level, Florida is ready to go with him. They expected him to get a few starts this year and likely be a heavy workload backup or maybe the starter next year.
Will be interesting to see how these two compare throughout their careers, but their timelines for reaching the NHL will likely be very similar.
Rogatien Vachon - Ken Dryden - spring of 1971 ?
All very logical and correct...well stated!
I don't want to lose the big kid over ego and broken promises. The final year of an entry level contract does not apply to Rock Star goalies from Sweden.
This is bullsh&t and Robin knows it, he's NHL ready.
Biggest secret in pro hockey and Ben Bishop knows it also, it's harder to play goals in the "A" than it is in the "Show!"
We are going to win the Stanley Cup with Lehner, he has the "Magic!"
If we try to send Robin Lehner to Bingo for further seasoning with no hope of recall we are going to lose him!
"It's a lot of fun seeing him (do that) and in practice, he's an extremely hard worker, too."
That's a captain
You pointed out nothing that we didn't already know. All you kept doing was repeating the same incorrect argument that Bishop lost out to Elliott because Bishop had a 2way contract and Elliott had a 1way. When the central "fact" of your argument turns out to be wrong you lose whatever limited credability you believe your "years of watching AHL goalies" gives you.
Strangely neither I, or anybody else that isn't on Lithium for that matter, don't relevant sens information from you, because you don't provide anything other than an opinion like everybody else on this site.
The only thing that you've been accurate on so far is when you admit about yourself that it doesn't matter what you think.
The decisions have already been made for next season, Bishop will start the year in Ottawa and Lehner will be in Bingo. He's still got 2 years after this one on his ELC> This doesn't even become a problem until the end of next year when Bishop's contract is up for renewal.
Great quotes! I love the atmosphere of calm and success that has been renewed in this organization!
We beat them once in 5 games, come on man, wake up, even if we beat them again, thats 2 wins in 6 games, not good is it.
I also never said Karlsson was a whiner? dont know where you read that, said the refs might be correct in applying the diver tag to him as that just looked bad for his rep falling down like that like he got shot.
Canulick:
All very logical and correct, but that's what it is. You keep going on about a Rock Star complex. He'll be given the chance but if someone goes down to Bingo, it HAS to be Lehner. The contracts are the key. Now I'm not saying Lehner can't shine and BM decides to play the hot hand and he goes on a tear. Sure, it can happen, it put Murray in a situation where he has to trade, it's the NHL and anything can happen. But you have to understand that 1 fumble and Anderson will be given the reins again. It's the way it is. I agree and believe that Lehner will be our Stanley Cup winning goalie but when that happens is when we have also have our cupboard of prospects in our system. Why you think sending him to Bingo means we're losing him is the strange part, he's under contract. If he throw a fit and wants out, he'll send a very bad message to teams looking for a goalie.
Solve my three first string goalie jack pot without sending Robin to Palookaville with no chance of recall!
Wow and here I thought the blog was full of idiots who dont know the business side of the game. That couldnt be explained any better. Lehner is only up cuz of injury, not because he deserved a shot cuz he didnt, they way he's been playing and lack of motivation down in Bingo. Lehner is gonna learn real quick with P-Mac that you got to earn your stripes. Nothing was promised to him, dont know where you dorks got that.
When Anderson gets back its his job, Lehner goes back to Bingo or they find a way to have him back up Anderson.
Next year, its gonna be Anderson/Bishop , no doubt about it. Lehner hasnt earned anything yet.
Tookie = Eeyore
I find him too boring to read
Yet here you are talking about me, haha, noob!
So instead of being realistic you want me to wear Sens goggles and cheer blindly, like Leafs fans?
We win 1 game vs Boston and you think were winning the Cup, LOL
Sorry but Im not buying it, are we good enough to keep a playoff spot, YES, are we SC contenders, NO!
we beat them in a playoff atomosphere game to prove we can play with them... and you say the reason we won was b/c the Bruins played bad, and on top of that, the greatest offensive defensemen since Brian Leetch is a diver... BTW the DIVER scored the winning goal too... in case you didn't notice.
Yes I do agree with you, if we face the Bruins in the PLAYOFFS (reminding you again of our bet)
we may be in over our heads, but IN THE PLAYOFFS,
I agree with Apostle and Tookie on this
So in other more simpler words, you agree with me.
Thank you.
At least that name for me is original.
I like our team, I think we made a mistake...the real name of this game in the play offs is "Goalie!" The Rock Star is a champion let's not lose him.
Bla bla bla
Lehner is no Rock Star, does he even play guitar or drums?
He did well, he blasted a shot off of Thomas' face, I liked that!
He's a bit soft, but is responsible enough in our own end, with a couple of practices he will be QB'ing PP2.
So till Andy is back ..Lehner is the goalie so deal with it ..
And if Lehner puts together a run he might continue as the back ..
So stop with what ifs and what people deserve cause u don't know shit
Chara's dive was worse...I guess he has earned that rep too...and Lucic looked like a spoiled kid when he took a run at Karlsson and Turris in one shift...
If you're gonna call out our guys (and you are) then be fair, and call out the opposing team's players too.
Haha, so true. I liked that about him too!
OF COURSE HE'S a diver. EVERY player in the league dives at one point or another. They all embellish the act when they get highsticked/tri pped/slashed etc etc. It's part of the game.
Karlsson, Alfie, Malkin, Datsyuk, Stamkos and the list go on. They're all taught to draw penalties.
Did Karlsson hit the ice like he had been shot when Lucic slashed him? Of course he did, but 90% of the players in the league would have done the same thing.
Holy frig. I'm pretty sure you are more strung out about than anyone else including Lehner. Give it a rest already.
no Tookie let me simplify it for you...
your first comments about last nights game
Reason we won was b/c Bruins played badly
Karlsson is a diver...
Raises the real question... what are your motives here?
And secondly to further simplify... are you conceding on our bet about the Sens making the playoffs?
If so you can begin now by changing you name now to
"I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOCKEY" :)
judging by some of the comments in here I would say the majority of the people here use one hand on a regular basis.
hahahaha that was a good one
Chara? you mean the pretty obvious Gonchar trip, haha yeah, I guess Chara dove, haha...
As for Lucic, what do you mean by spoiled? dont know what your implying here, he didn dive nor back down? Taking liberties maybe but that is hockey man, its not ringette...
Guys like Konopka and Neil should have done the same or atleast step up to Mr Lucic. Neil would if given the chance but Konopka would just be Lucic punchin bag!
Nice!
Post of the day lol
I'll change my name when its official, not earlier. I wont back down from a fun bet :)
Question, does it have to be in caps, that would kinda be a long handle for a blog...
Right. So it's ok that Chara falls when tripped but it's not ok that Karlsson falls when slashed. Interesting.
And if Neil (or any Senator except Spezza) took the same penalty as Lucic did - offensive zone, undisciplined, down 1-0 - you would be all over him.
Lastly, regading Konopka...when you're right, you're right. I'm not sure I have ever seen him win a fight. Oh well.
EEEEEEYORE !
Theres a diff between a slash and a tap, Lucic gave Karlsson a tap, Gonchar tripped Chara when he knew he was beat. Totally different situations, both dont compare.
And was there anything wrong with the Lucic hit on Turris, he nailed him clean, dont know why you add the Turris hit?
Gotta hand it too you Tooks you are very opinionatged BUT you are a man of your word...
I would have done the same...
I will leave it to you if you want caps or not :)
Hey yo, how is Hoffman doing in Bingo? LMAO!!
Is he close to making the NHL yet....HA!
The Norris Trophy races in 2008-09 and 2009-10 were a referendum -- first on offensive play vs. all-round play, and second on reputation.
Washington's Mike Green had a historic offensive campaign in 2008-09 and followed it with an even better all-round season in 2009-10. He also ended up as the Norris bridesmaid each time.
He probably deserved to win in 2008-09 -- not only did finish with 31 goals and 73 points, but he wasn't nearly as bad on defense as some pundits opined -- Green led all defensemen in advanced-metric website Behind The Net's plus/minus per 60 minutes at even strength stat, and was on the ice for fewer goals-against than that season's Norris winner, Boston's Zdeno Chara.
The next season there was little doubt Green should have won. He finished with 19 goals and 76 points -- again leading all defensemen -- and was even better at even strength. He was on the ice for 96 Washington goals while only 51 goals-against -- 23 fewer than Norris winner Duncan Keith.
Green lost in 2009-10 because of reputation -- he wasn't considered a solid defenseman in his own end of the ice and no statistic, whether it was his traditional plus/minus of plus-39 or any advanced metric was able to sway enough voters.
This season, Ottawa's Erik Karlsson is having a similar campaign to the ones Green had, and it has made him a leading contender for the Norris. He also doesn't have the best reputation in his end of the ice, and it may cost him votes.
There is a strong case for Karlsson to win the Norris this season, but the argument for a certain seven-time winner of the award just might have a little bit stronger.
YOu have nothing good to say about our team , why is it that you hang on this site everyday , and break peoples nuts all the time ???
get a life LOSER
You have to wonder if Green didnt win it and had seasons like that!, chances are slim for Karlsson.
Green missed out on it twice and according to the (behind the net website) wasnt as bad defensivley thatn most people thought but still lost out on rep.
I'd like to think that, if you were indeed a Leaf fan, I would always come out on top when we have differing opinions.
Just wanted to get that off my chest, not really sure why.
Murray seems to be seeing the guy as a top 4 dman (and therefore, i assume) a cheaper and younger replacement for Kuba.
18 points in his last 15 games. Not bad.
I dont know if he could end up relpacing Kuba, Kuba offers alot in block shots and ice time, also on the PP, Kuba is much better defensively.
Gilroy would be a nice 5th defenceman. Qb'ing PP2.
I'd rather take the time to appreciate what the Sens and Murray have done for us this year as fans. We have all had an opportunity to witness something great this season and I plan on cheering for my Senators, not worrying about something WE have no control over. I have all the faith that Murray and company know the path this teams is taking next year as they've laid the groundwork. If they feel that having these 3 goalies is a problem, I'm sure they'll deal with it. Until then, I'm going to enjoy the show.
Regarding the Green/Karlsson comparison, it's very good one. Comes back to that old, you need to put in the time these days before you get the recognitition. Green got burned IMO but that's how the cookie crumbles. I agree, bring in a second D award
Well said and I agree there should be another award for D's with most points, like the Bobby Orr award...
I'm hopeful it's an audition to replace Kuba as well. I get worried that the "success" Kuba has had this year will get him an extension, but if we have alternatives in place there's less likelihood of that occurring.
On the subject of highly touted (over-hyped?) NCAA prospects...can you think of anyone who has lived up their billing? I notice that I haven't heard much about anyone from this years crop. Look back to Winchester, Butler, Bozak, Gilroy. I'm not saying that these players won't eventually proved to be good players, it just seems, to me, that they were expected to do more early...
Could you see a situation where Cowen picks up the defensive slack and Gilroy the offensive portion?
I'm completely biased towards Kuba, I'll readily admit it, I've never been a fan, but I respect that he does have some skills to offer.
I have had my fair share of debates, arguments, and fun with Tookie,
but we have to admit that after a big win against the defending Stanley cup Champs all he has to say is
1) Bruins played bad... I disagree I just think we played better
2) Bruins took easy/bad shots to make it easy on Lehner...actual ly he played outstanding int the third even beating out Thomas
3) to hit a sore spot Karlsson is a diver... when he scored the winner, and is clearly the best offensive D-man in many years.
You do not have to be a blind devoted Sens fan to realize what a big win and that this team is very impressive, and which raises questions as to why is Tookie always instigating Sens fans, if he is really a loyal Sens fan?
Now he says he is so, we have to believe him... but it is curious
I think that's a product of fans and media not making the difference between an elite prospect that was drafted and the free agent college prospects.
In my opinion, a lot of these college free agents are much older than the average rookies, thus already being close to their potential. They seem to peak as average NHL players at best (in general).
Here's an interesting article about it:
http://www.metronews.ca/ottawa/comment/article/491711--few-college-free-agents-become-nhl-standouts
Actually Boom this is a very good point... and you can add DaCosta, tons of hype on these guys, but I am not sure they are worth all the hype, but time will tell I guess
A third hand rip off.
Fail.
Get a better nickname.
yah like Nike Bauer :)
...It would be a shame to have Karlsson's achievements go unrewarded and forgotten (by the league) in general.
He is clearly a standout player (let alone standout defense-men) in the league, and is doing something quite amazing.
If the league is so keen on promoting the youth movement, and drawing attention to the game, this would be a great opportunity
to highlight one of the brightest up incoming stars in the NHL.
If he doesn't quite fit Norris description they must introduce the "Bobby Orr award" as many have suggested. It only seems right.
... On a side note... GO HAWKS (tonight only)
Great game by Lehner.. yes it was only 1 win out of 5 games for the Sens over the Bruins.. but let's enjoy this win due to a team that played great in front of Lehner and Lehner for his shutout.
Maybe if the Bruins came to play hockey the first 40 min instead of trying revenge.. it might have been a different game.
Lucky for Karlsson & the Sens that he saw Lucic coming with that high elbow... what a selfish, stupid act to take the penalty for slashing.. he was probably mad he missed with the elbow.
After the Anderson injury... I was concerned that the Heritage Train Trip to Mtl to see the Sens/Habs on Mar 14th would be a whitewash with Auld in net.... now not so much.. they will fear the Lehner and the team will play great. It's going to be a great time... anyone else going?
From Lehner's twitter:
"Thanks everyone in Ottawa and to My team for supporting me and believe in me!! Great team win!;)"
I really think he is not happy in Binghamton. Not just because he is not in the NHL.. but I believe he thinks he is not being supported by the fan base...
Is there a possibility that Auld is sent to Bingo for a conditioning stint (since he has played so litte) and Bishop is brought up to play a few games. I assume since he has been in the AHL for 5 yrs.. he has to go through waivers unless it is an emergency recall.
That one-way contract for Bishop guarantees him the same money whether he plays in NHL or AHL...
But of course waivers come into it... that is probably more of an issue than the 1-way contract. If Bishop goes down he has to go on waivers... and someone would claim him.
We are SENS fans so lets get along, we all want this club to succeed and we all have our opinions how it could be better etc.
cheer up its been a good year unlike the one that was predicted.
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Undrafted free agents are free assets. All the guys you listed above have played in the NHL which is more than you can say for anyone drafted outside of the top 20 for any given year. Will any of them be the next Crosby? No guys that good get drafted however you can add solid pieces to your team at no cost in the form of picks or players.
And you're a miserable asshole who will die alone, what is your point?
Fuggedaboudit!
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nhl.com has already chosen Lidstrom as the Norris winner. Now, who runs/owns nhl.com? Hmmmm?
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My point is that its just another example of the Sens Org, Sens fans and the city alike ripping off something else. I am proud to live in Ottawa and I do cheer for the Sens, but I wish we could just come up with something of our own.
Sens Mile was a total rip off of the Red Mile. No thought was put into having something of our own and now there Lehnsanity, which is a rip off of LinSanity which is an even bigger rip off of something that originated in Toronto - Vin-Sanity (Vince Carter).
Lets try to be creative - for once.
And, clearly you're the one who is miserable or needs some kind of professional help. I make a point to say something that is so glaringly true, and nobody can say I'm wrong or say that its not a rip off..... Its 100% a rip-off and totally lacks imagination of any kind and you go off and say "you'll die alone"....becau se I make the point... nice. Shows who you really are, likely a punk kid who will never become anything in life. The good news in there is someone you can call and get help - 1-800-668-6868 (Kids Help Phone).
Stay classy bud.
People forget that you can always go the avenue of trade. My guess though is Lehner serves one more year (next season) in the minors (barring some kind of amazing run this season)....and then the following season (2013-14) they move one of Anderson or Bishop. They will have too because Lehner's contract expires at the end of next season and my guess is he will not accept anything less than a 1-way deal.
Best case scenario, they trade Anderson or Bishop in the 2013-14 season for a solid return. I truly believe they still think Lehner is the future.
yup i saw this its bullshit, they shouldn't have some idiot cast his opinion on the league site.
Also who votes the winnners? the fans? where do we vote?
No he doesn't go through Waivers to come back up. He would be claimed so fast. Ottawa didn't spend a 2nd rounder just to risk waivers...
I agree though, Auld will be sent down for conditioning or likely just be told to take a seat in the press box. My guess regardless, he will never start another game for this team again....
Bishop or Lehner will be the backup for the playoffs.
Exactly... I personally think they would trade Anderson unless Bishop can't handle it. It's risky going with young goalies... ie look what happened in Toronto... but the team will still be young so they grow together.
If Anderson has a great season next year == and he is the one traded.. with 2 yrs left.. the Sens could get a really good return for him either asset or pick...
I agree they favour Lehner -- he is the one they drafted and in his year and a half in the AHL he has had more success than Bishop.. You can say the team in front of him was more or less responsible for that win.. but Brust could not do it in the net... and KK did say without Lehner they wouldn't have won the Cup.
He has to be patient for another year.. he will get playing time next season as there are always injuries...
The writers vote for the major awards like the Norris. GMs vote for the Vezina and Broadcasters also vote for an award, I believe the Jack Adams (coach)...
Not 100% on the last one.
Once the regular season ends.. they can call up as many players from the AHL as they wish without any worry of waivers -- correct?
Auld will have to be sent down in order for Bishop to be called up on emergency recall... If Auld is still in Ottawa -- there can't be any emergency.. unless they fake an injury.. and that's risky to do that.
If Lehner keeps up this stellar play.. they have to keep him here...
But what I am saying is they can call him up tomorrow and not worry about waivers...Im almost certain he has a 2-way deal less than 100k in the minors. If they make more than 100k on a 2-way or aren't on an entry level deal, then they have to clear waivers....
Bishop doesn;t have to clear any waivers.
I don't believe it matters if it's a two-way or not... it's his years or # of games in the AHL (I think) that determines if he is waiver exempt or not.. he's been in the AHL for 5 yrs I believe.. so I believe he is waiver eligible.
No, He makes less than 100k at the AHL level, he doesn't have to clear. Look it up. He's hasn't played hardly any games at the NHL level anyways, thats why he would've been a group 6 UFA this summer before age 27.
I guarantee you, he doesn't have to clear anything and any time. Ottawa didn't spend a 2nd rounder only to assign him to the AHL and risk waivers...come on eileen!
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You don't have to get sarcastic. I said in my comment (I think) so I'm wrong - big deal. I thought we went through this issue with Daug whether he had to clear waivers or not.
If so then Bishop comes up and Lehner still stays.. Auld sits.
Creative would be bucking the traditional Ottawa fashion of being lame and complaining about everything.
The day after our biggest win the past two seasons, a proud effort last night and the best you can provide is how this "lehnsanity" stuff and Ottawa's history with the mile and all that other shit is lame. Knowing this city I won't be surprised if one of the newspapers run a similar opinion piece tomorrow.
People should flush the uptight attitude, get behind this team and maybe even enjoy the run we will make. Be part of the solution and not part of the tight-assed negativity and complacence that seems to dog this town.
I apologize for my harsh comments towards you earlier, but the buzz-killers around Ottawa really grate my nerves some days.
*runs off to watch the Hawks kick the crap out of the Leafs*
#BlueTeamEliminationWatch
I wasn't really being sarcastic, just saying the truth.
Thanks for the apology. To be clear, I am behind the team and love Lehner. I think he is the real deal and the future. I just hate when the city and fans don't get original so we can have something that is truly our own. Not some spin off some someone else's or some other teams original thinking.
I'm hoping that could be the JETS. Would be a great rivalry to start forging, plus we'd have a very strong chance against them.
my question to you is, do you think the sens will bring zibanejad over now since we still have a good chunk of games to play and he will just be wasting time after Tuesday?
60 is with tax included. Bus will leave around 5:45 PM
As far as I know they can't because either it is totally against the rules and there is no possible way or because he has played in a league that isn't the NHL or ahl that he would have to clear reentry waivers and no doubt someone would steal him from us. Ziby is gone until next year same with silfverburg.
i think players are protected on their entry level contracts, other teams cant claim him there is no waivers to go though. he has played 9 nhl games and is eligible. If ottawa calls him up he just burns a year of his contract.
the difference with him playing in sweden sel vs the nhl is that he would get more playing time to develop.
washington could be getting hot and taking that 3rd spot, not sure if florida or winnipeg will goto 3rd
We are going to make playoffs, lets focus on that.
Anderson out we need Lehner Bishop to step up and we have two great goalies in them both, lets worry about who starts and who is backup next year, in the off season.
I am a big Lehner fan and I am pulling for him like everyone but having Bishop is a nice back up.
GO HAWKS GO! NO LOSER POINTS FOR THE LEAFS!
Incorrect. He can certainly play, but it would burn a year off his entry level deal. Waivers has no bearing on him. Waivers works like this. You are safe from them if the player is in his entry level deal or makes less than 100k at the ahl level.
Shoulda know Leafs would blow the lead haha
From up 3-1 to down 4-3
lol yea, I don't have to watch comedy movies anymore. I'll just watch the Leaf games
Ya I think that may be holding a few people back.
Can they sign him to a PTO and play him in Bingo for the rest of the season to get a little more experience. I remember with Cannone.. they signed him to a 1 yr contract for the following year.. but he played a partial season -- after his college days on a PTO. I think if Zibby plays in even the AHL now.. it burns a year off his ELC... is that right?
Thank you for the info I honestly didn`t know. Either way anyone not on our roster or in Bingo won`t be playing for the team come playoff time, imo.
The refs sure have their Maple Leaf coloured glasses on tonight.
Im watching chi/tor and I can't tell if the leafs are diving or if they just can't skate, they seem to fall/dive every 10 seconds...
That would be the only stat the Leafs would lead the league in.
And maybe Powerplay Opportunities.
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=389161
CBC showing us some love as well
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/02/nhl-power-rankings-week-22.html
Check this site out...http://th ehockeywriters. com/nhl-waiver- rules/ . IMO, it's WAY too complex. If we fans can't understand it, it's too complicated. They take the age of the player and games played into mind...Re-entry is a different beast and that 100K (actually 105K) depends on if it's a two-way contract and if he was waiver eligible to begin with...
Bottom line: Waiver system is stupid.
PS: #Lehnsanity RULES.
Kind of feel sorry for them.
NOT.