Saturday, 17 December 2011 14:02

Turris to Ottawa

According to Pierre LeBrun, The Ottawa Senators have acquired Kyle Turris from the Phoenix Coyotes. Still waiting for all the details on this one but it appears as though the Sens have their second line centre.

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-6 #301 SENSor 2011-12-17 23:33
Maybe we can offer Jared Cowen and a 3rd rounder for Derick Brassard?
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+1 #302 vellistas 2011-12-17 23:40
Quoting Mat:
Quoting Mat:
Adam French (Phoenix blogger on Hockeybuzz) makes a good point. Dave Tippett is a similar -type coach as MacLean. If he couldn't get through to him, or even see the value in him, what makes everyone believe MacLean will be different?

And just as a question, are there any concrete examples of major underachieving players actually becoming stars with a change of scenery? That idea seems to amount to nothing more than an illusion...


I actually thought of one... Mike Ribiero. Any others?


Martin St.Louis is one too. In matter of fact he was invited to one of Ottawa's training camp in the 90s before Ottawa released him and he went to Calgary before landing in Tampa Bay.Grabner may be the most recent example.
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+1 #303 NickG 2011-12-17 23:57
Quoting vellistas:
Quoting Mat:
Quoting Mat:

And just as a question, are there any concrete examples of major underachieving players actually becoming stars with a change of scenery? That idea seems to amount to nothing more than an illusion...


I actually thought of one... Mike Ribiero. Any others?

Martin St.Louis is one too.

Also note: Dany Heatley flourished in Ottawa, failed everywhere else.



As someone who was really tired of Runblad's "Brilliant Skill" (see: giveaways and breakaways given up), I see this as a no-win, no-lose trade. Turris will be at worst, one of our other 3rd/4th liners. At best, top 6. And we can afford that 2nd round pick since we were over stacked at last years draft.

Btw, how long has it been since the comment section broke into 2 pages?!
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0 #304 hq 2011-12-17 23:59
grabovski is an example of a player who flourished after being one of those "thrown away" prospects

kessel is leading the league in points and boston didnt want any part of him either. boston thought he was underacheiving. so another change of scenery example.

lupul is another one, changed between three teams over the past 5 years multiple times.

lol i hate how i have three leafs players as examples .......YUCK.

lombardi may qualify too when he changed from calgary to phx , but obviously not right now lol
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+2 #305 DenisVial 2011-12-18 00:45
Quoting SENSor:
Maybe we can offer Jared Cowen and a 3rd rounder for Derick Brassard?


Sarcasm usually involves humour. I'm just sayin.
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+2 #306 sensfan19 2011-12-18 00:52
For me it's more being dissapointed to see Rundblad go. I've been following him so closely since Ottawa traded for him and have been patiently waiting for him to become a full time NHL player, and he now finally has and he is gone. I am very dissapointed to see him go, but I am definately open to giving Turris a shot, especially if it will benefit the Sens' future.
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+2 #307 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-18 01:14
Cant wait to see how DR7 plays on Tuesday.
Gonna have both streams up; Rundblad vs. Florida, and Turris vs. Buffalo.

Hopefully both do well! [Especially Turris]
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0 #308 KJ-Sens 2011-12-18 01:30
Am I reading a Sens fans forum? Geesh. As exciting as Rundblad was, he was also a liability and "soft" defensively. No where near Karlsson's skating ability. Let's give Turris a chance, since this was a prospect for prospect trade. Having been at the Pitt game last night, Rundblad only got a little more than 4 min. TOI, and had little impact in the Sens win. Ottawa does need help offensively, so this smight be one of those "have to give to get" trades.

KJ
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-1 #309 miguel 2011-12-18 01:59
I was not a Rundblad fan this year in the NHL.
His play and stats prove he could not play at this level now.
But WTF is Murray thinking, WTF has Turris done other than proving he is worse than Filatov.
I can just see it now,
we give him one game in top 6, then 6 games on the 4th line, then sit him... he bitches and wont go down to Bingo and we trade him for a 7th pick!!!
There must be more to the story than people know... there has to be I cannot believe Murray is that stupid.
I beleive as I have stated before, that PM and BM, have asked Rundblad to go to Bingo, and he threatened to go back to SEL, if we did so, b/c he would not be on our top 6 otherwise.
PM likes Lee and Carkner, likes what we have in Bingo, and decides we will not let this kid put a gun to our head.
there is not other way to make sense of this stupid trade
For the record, I do not know Turris, but right now he is below Filatov in my books
Please prove me wrong!
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0 #310 MoeDozer 2011-12-18 02:09
Quoting vellistas:
Quoting Mat:
Quoting Mat:


And just as a question, are there any concrete examples of major underachieving players actually becoming stars with a change of scenery? That idea seems to amount to nothing more than an illusion...


I actually thought of one... Mike Ribiero. Any others?


Martin St.Louis is one too. In matter of fact he was invited to one of Ottawa's training camp in the 90s before Ottawa released him and he went to Calgary before landing in Tampa Bay.Grabner may be the most recent example.


matt moulson is another. drafted in the 9th round in 2003. rookie as a 24 year old in LA. was an AHLer for 3years after that. became an NHLer with the islanders at age 27 and hit 30goals
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0 #311 lbernier 2011-12-18 02:56
Quoting Skinzilla:
Just a reminder for everyone, Zibanejad can also play wing and center, so he still figures into the plan for one of our top 2 lines.


Now he can also develop in Europe and the AHL and be brought in fully developed and not rushed into the NHL
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-1 #312 lbernier 2011-12-18 02:58
Zibby will not even make the team next year, the guy that will make the team will be jakub Silfverberg he is F**king Amazing!!!
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+4 #313 sennies1980 2011-12-18 05:00
props to the fans who are willing to see the bright spots in this move. you have to roll the dice in life sometimes.
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+1 #314 sennies1980 2011-12-18 05:03
and to the bunch of negative know it alls having a pissing match at who knows more about running an nhl team. what the hell? we are sens fans. support our team! i'm embarassed.
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+3 #315 Uncle Phil 2011-12-18 06:08
MacLean seems reaaly keen on Turris. He said that last year in the playoffs, Turris was Phoenix' best player. It seems like MacLean wanted this trade. If you have noticed, in the past several games, Rundblad has basically been limited to pp duty. His giveaways have been over the top. I think that MacLean did not like Rundblad.
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+3 #316 Cy Denneny 2011-12-18 07:51
Do you notice some similarity in the way a "threat" is handled by PM. First you have Fialtov and his KHL threat - he ends up sitting and sitting in the NHL before going bye bye. Then you have Runbland and his SEL threat, with very little TOI, before going bye bye. Would have been interesting to see how PM handled the Heatley fiasco - just wondering.

That PM liked Turris's play in the playoffs speaks volumes - and means he will get TOI to prove himself. Here is hoping we can finally field a decent 2nd line
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+3 #317 Dorkiewicz 2011-12-18 08:19
Quoting MattZ:
...i felt sick when i heard this trade. IT was exactly like CHara going to Boston.


This is nothing like Chara going to Boston. The fact that you made that comparison is laughable.
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0 #318 Floridasensfan 2011-12-18 08:55
We are in great shape as a team, Rundblad as much as I liked his potential we have lots of good D guys ready now and a few in the system ready later.
We may miss him in a few years but impact today is negligible.

Offence for the future we have Turris Zibby Filatov Silverburg Petersson and our first rounder this year, all top 6 potential.

Foligno Regin Winchester Konopka contracts all expire this year, foligno has shown up so far, the others I would not miss.

You can't trade garbage to get good players, you have to give to get.
The second was the cost to get the deal done, we are not starving for prospects, second round picks.

It is a roll of the dice and we will get more picks at the trade deadline, more prospects, this one is not do or die for us. (second round pick.)

Welcome Turris

Go Sens Go
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0 #319 FBP 2011-12-18 08:56
Wow. This whole Runblad and a second thing wasn't a dream...
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0 #320 SENSor 2011-12-18 09:29
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting SENSor:
Maybe we can offer Jared Cowen and a 3rd rounder for Derick Brassard?


Sarcasm usually involves humour. I'm just sayin.

Nothing funny happened yesterday. I'm just sayin.
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0 #321 SENSor 2011-12-18 09:41
Quoting sennies1980:
props to the fans who are willing to see the bright spots in this move. you have to roll the dice in life sometimes.

Listen, it's not a case of fans not wanting to "roll the dice in life". But there is a time and place for everything.
If the end of last season and this year was all about a "REBUILD", then why make this move? Listen to Murray - her sounds like he's trying to make the playoffs, which isn't a bad thing, but don't change your gameplan in December to do so...They say Defence wins championships, so we give up what looks to be our third best blueliner of the near future for...an underachiever who may need a change of scenerey to produce? a guy who quit on the team that drafted him? a player who's as much a gamble as Filitov was?
I'm just dissapointed that BM gave up on the gameplan of a rebuild - now we are the Leafs, who think they can make the playoffs, just miss out, and take themselves out of a good draft pick...
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0 #322 Darcy Loewen 2011-12-18 09:46
The big question is....spezza wears 19...does this mean we have the first guy wearing #91 since Daigle??
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0 #323 sens fan in mtl 2011-12-18 09:47
I really don't get all the fuss about Runblad, sure he has potential but he has cost us a ton of goals (and games) with his giveaways. he might be a very good Dman eventually (or maybe not).

Turris seems to have scoring touch and PM thinks he was one of the better players on the 'yotes when he played against him....so sorry, but I'll side with PM and BM over wanna-be, hide-behind their keyboard GMs any day.
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0 #324 TyrantRoarrrrr 2011-12-18 09:51
The real difficulty with this deal is that Ottawa is sending away a potential star player who wanted to be here for a spoiled brat who has proved nothing like Turris. This organization should have learned it's lesson with Heatley. If it doesn't work out the organization will be embarrassed.

However this is a clear silver lining in this deal. The Senators organization quite obviously expects Cowen-Karlsson to be an elite top pairing for years to come. When we drafted Cowen I don't think the organization expected much of him offensively. It's now becoming a reality that he could be anywhere from a 5G-25PT defender to a 10G-40+PT guy. We're going to have to pay those two a lot and they will play 25-30 minutes a night. There are only so many power-play minutes to go around. We have other good prospects who can fill 2nd/3rd pairing roles and will draft more. The real question is why now. Rundblad would probably have been worth more in 2 years. Huge gamble on Turris being a star.
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0 #325 Muckalt 2011-12-18 09:57
It will be interesting to watch how this one pans out. My initial reaction was disappointment. However, if two years ago BM traded the 17th overall pick and a second round pick for the previous year's 3rd overall pick, who was a potential first overall, I would have thought it was a great trade. Runblad has a lot of potential and so does Turris. Turris just has his potential in a position at witch the organization needs help, compared to needing a puck moving defenceman. Turris has all the tools, but has only had limited lower line minutes in a less than ideal situation in Phoenix. I hope we don't regret this move. I think the Sens are a better team with Turris as 2nd line centre than they were with Runblad playing low minutes making 1 nice pass or rush to every three blunders. Hopefully it turns out the Sens are better for it over the long term.
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0 #326 Darcy Loewen 2011-12-18 10:04
Why does everyone think BM is giving up on the rebuild...we traded a 21 year old for a fuckin 22 year old....everyone is acting like we picked up a 40 year old or something...and why not take a shot at the playoffs, we have old guys we can trade at the trade line for draft picks
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0 #327 TyrantRoarrrrr 2011-12-18 10:10
I think Cowen's play this year is probably what makes this deal possible for Ottawa. He's worked out better than anyone could have hoped. He's honestly the best presence we've had on our blueline since Chara and that's saying something considering how young he still is.
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+2 #328 joedick 2011-12-18 10:18
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:

Guess the rebuild's over and Murray wants a Cup.


You do realize that Turris is younger than Greening and Condra right?
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0 #329 paul4 2011-12-18 15:55
Wow, did the fans ever BLOW UP over this.
True Turris hasn't proved anything... but news flash... nor did Rundblad. They are both very young with tones of upside.
If he pans out (which he probably will), Turris gives us 4 really legit top 6 forwards (Alfy, Spezza, Mechalek and Turris).
Keep in mind, Turris was touted as a top line center (compared to Gretzky at some point), so if he ends up being just a great second line center, we are still VERY well off.

Rundblad didnt look nearly as good as Karlsson did in his first year and he could end up being just as much of a bust.
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0 #330 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-12-18 17:05
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Well, I'm as pissed off as the next fan, but hey, we're just fans, what can we do.
Go Sens Go.

You're right man. But you know how the little fan boys are in this town right? If and when Turris lights it up idiots like N8ball all gonna jump on his bandwagon and will soon forget about Rundblad. Turris now has a heavy load on his shoulders and must prove critics and fanboys I sure as hell will not align myself with a bunch of teenage wimps from high school downing every player they don't seem to like and eventually run them out of town. If I wanted that I would've stayed a Habs fan.


Well said,

This is what I was trying to convey in an earler post on Topic before this one .

AlfieForMayor11 was jumping all over my statement about the young and whiny whippersnappers that I was tearing apart
because of their lack of patience etc....
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