Wednesday, 07 December 2011 11:33

Game Day- Anderson Starts, Kuba on IR

On Saturday night, Brooks Laich scored an overtime winner that sent the Sens to a disappointing overtime loss. Tonight, Ottawa has a chance to get some revenge.

The Sens continue a busy December on home ice with another tilt with Alex Ovechkin and the Washington Capitals. Craig Anderson make the start in goal and according to Paul MacLean, it sounds like Alex Auld will start tomorrow in New Jersey.

The Caps have played once since Saturday's overtime win and fell 5-4 at the hands of the surprising Florida Panthers. Washington sits two points back of Ottawa in the Eastern Conference standings.

No changes are expected to the line up that rallied for a 4-2 win over the Tampa Bay Lightning on Monday night. That means Nikita Filatov will once again be watching from the press box. I understand the reluctance to tinker with a winning line up but I really thought we would see Filatov back in the mix tonight after a few inconsistent efforts from Bobby Butler.

On defence, MacLean is expected to start with the same pairings, which means we’ll once again see a hefty dose of Erik Karlsson and Jared Cowen. With the Sens having the benefit of last change, expect that pair to see a lot of Alex Ovechkin this evening.

The Sens announced this morning that they have placed Filip Kuba on the IR with a shoulder injury. He is expected to be sidelined for the next month. Meanwhile, Matt Carkner will rejoin the team in New Jersey tomorrow night but is not expected to play.

Here is how the Sens are expected to line up.

Greening-Spezza-Butler
Michalek-Foligno-Alfredsson
Daugavins-Smith-Condra
Konopka-Winchester-Neil

Phillips-Gonchar
Cowen-Karlsson
Rundblad-Lee

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+3 #1 DenisVial 2011-12-07 11:40
Brian Lee will never get a better opportunity to prove his worth. This next month is make or break for his tenure in Ottawa. I really hope he proves to be a solid contributor on the back end, and then we move Kuba at the deadline.
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0 #2 N8ball85 2011-12-07 11:43
Lol Butler again on that top line wow somebody please free filatov !!!
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+2 #3 mach9 2011-12-07 11:44
Game time is actually 7 PM
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0 #4 SensChirp 2011-12-07 11:49
Quoting mach9:
Game time is actually 7 PM

Oh thanks for the heads up!! I would have been late.
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0 #5 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-12-07 11:54
Hey Chirp,

On the Sens website called SensTalk, there is some confusion regarding the status of Semin.

The Ottawa Citizen lists the injured, and there are 5 players not in the lineup. Semin shows as shoulder questionable.

Some say he is a healthy scratch and has been for a few games.

Could you clarify the status of Semin for tonite's game ??
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+3 #6 my2sens 2011-12-07 11:56
Winning line or not... I thought this year was about a rebuild and not a cup run? So why not play the players we have/went out to get and see what fits in our puzzle of the future!

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for winning and a cup run this year... but realistically it's not going to happen.

Butler better get a goal tonight and hope Michalek can get a hat trick to wipe Kessel's face off NHL's scoring leader's page.

GO SENS GO!
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0 #7 stevrock 2011-12-07 11:57
Quoting DenisVial:
Brian Lee will never get a better opportunity to prove his worth. This next month is make or break for his tenure in Ottawa. I really hope he proves to be a solid contributor on the back end, and then we move Kuba at the deadline.


I think Lee has already proved that he is capable of playing D at the NHL level.
I haven't seen much from Filatov that shows me he has as much talent as everybody says he has though.

I think both are being mishandled at this point though.
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0 #8 SensChirp 2011-12-07 11:58
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:
Hey Chirp,

On the Sens website called SensTalk, there is some confusion regarding the status of Semin.

The Ottawa Citizen lists the injured, and there are 5 players not in the lineup. Semin shows as shoulder questionable.

Some say he is a healthy scratch and has been for a few games.

Could you clarify the status of Semin for tonite's game ??

He will play tonight and likely on a line with Backstrom and Ovechkin.
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0 #9 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-12-07 11:59
Quoting SensChirp:
[quote name="SNOOPY SENIOR"]Hey Chirp,

On the Sens website called SensTalk, there is some confusion regarding the status of Semin.

The Ottawa Citizen lists the injured, and there are 5 players not in the lineup. Semin shows as shoulder questionable.

Some say he is a healthy scratch and has been for a few games.

Could you clarify the status of Semin for tonite's game ??

He will play tonight and likely on a line with Backstrom and Ovechkin.[/quote

Thanks for your clarification]
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0 #10 senswillkickass 2011-12-07 12:01
Quoting N8ball85:
Lol Butler again on that top line wow somebody please free filatov !!!



Yes Go Butler you deserve it more then Filatov.Butler has been getting better every game.
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-1 #11 Johne 2011-12-07 12:08
procdaddy John
In the last 5 games #sens Butler has only 5 shots on goal, 3 of those 5 games he went shotless. And hes still on the top line? #PutInFilatov
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+2 #12 Alcatraz 2011-12-07 12:16
Quoting Johne:
procdaddy John
In the last 5 games #sens Butler has only 5 shots on goal, 3 of those 5 games he went shotless. And hes still on the top line? #PutInFilatov


I've decided I'm all in favor of playing Butler tonight and tomorrow against Jersey

He has had his shot and is getting it some more. If he doesn't produce, and by produce I dont' means core, I want sustained pressure, I want scoring opportunities, I want something, anything!

Then once these games are done, Maclean will have to go with Filatov for the same length of time tos ee what he has. If he does exactly like Butler then looks like regin/foligno can go there. if not then look elsewher. Of course the hope si that one of butitov can come through
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0 #13 Johne 2011-12-07 12:16
Butler has 0 SOG in the last two games where he's really been featured on that top line. I really like Butler but if he's not shooting, what good is he on that line?
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0 #14 senswillkickass 2011-12-07 12:23
Filatov 9 gp 6 shots
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0 #15 Sensnation 2011-12-07 12:26
Quoting Johne:
...I really like Butler but if he's not shooting, what good is he on that line?


He has approx 14, 14, and 9 mins in his last 3 games. Not huge minutes, but definitely enough to try and show something. It does takes time to rekindle chemistry, and his play has definitely improved since the start of the year, but it's not at the level warranting 1st line duty for much longer.

I like the idea of giving him these next 2 games and then giving Filatov another audition.

Realistically though, forget 2nd line C, we need a top 3 winger in a trade as none of these kids seem ready, and Spezza deserves better!

Should be a fun game tonight. The reunited super trio of Washington will likely create some problems, but as long as we can keep them in check and to 1 goal as a unit we should have a good chance to win the game.

4-2 for Ottawa. GO SENS GO!!!
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0 #16 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-12-07 12:30
Quoting Johne:
Butler has 0 SOG in the last two games where he's really been featured on that top line. I really like Butler but if he's not shooting, what good is he on that line?

Johne,

I agree with Alcatraz in giving Butler a string of games ,just like they did with Da Costa.

If after 7-10 games , no progression is seen, then bring Filatov for the same nuber of games.
If they both cant cut it, slide in Regin on RW.

This has to come to a conclusion by early in 2012 !
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0 #17 Alcatraz 2011-12-07 12:34
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:
Quoting Johne:
Butler has 0 SOG in the last two games where he's really been featured on that top line. I really like Butler but if he's not shooting, what good is he on that line?


Johne,

I agree with Alcatraz in giving Butler a string of games ,just like they did with Da Costa.

If after 7-10 games , no progression is seen, then bring Filatov for the same nuber of games.
If they both cant cut it, slide in Regin on RW.

This has to come to a conclusion by early in 2012 !


I agree! And I've said it before, Spezza needs real NHL talent for once. God love him but we give everyone with talent and experience to Alfie lol.. Spezza can't keep making fringe talent into NHLers. We are putting our own cap on his abilities as a result
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+3 #18 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 12:36
I don't really see where Filatov and Butler fit in to the long term plans of the organization. We haven't seen anything from either of them this year to show us that they aren't expendable pieces. They're both fairly small players that don't have the physical strength to compete against NHL competition night in and night out. Neither of them should be playing on a top line in the NHL... Spezza deserves better than them that's for sure.

This is Lee's chance to prove his worth to the organization. He's shown that he's a NHL calibre player but he also needs to demonstrate that he can be a top 4 guy and not just another spare part.

On the plus side I love how Foligno has looked at center. He's done a great job so far between MM9 and Alfie and I hope he stays in that spot when Regin gets back. Foligno's on pace for 24 goals and 51 pts this season... Finally the breakout year we've all been waiting for.
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0 #19 spezzerman 2011-12-07 12:41
why is Filitov up if they arent using him?
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+1 #20 Johne 2011-12-07 12:41
I'd actually be more for having Regin on that top line than Filatov. Regin, like him or not, he is always involved on the ice and he has a wicked wrister.
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+6 #21 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 12:48
I can't believe that Reimer is leading the ASG voting for goaltenders. I like Reimer and all, I don't care that he plays for the Leafs, but he's only played 8 games this season! what a joke!
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0 #22 Tired 2011-12-07 12:49
I'm sooooooo tired of reading about Filatov, I almost don't want to come to this site anymore cause it seems that all you guys talk about! The kid is 21 years old, McLean will give him his chance when he deserves it look folks he's done NOTHING to deserve ice time
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0 #23 Dan Druff 2011-12-07 12:57
King Karlsson going mano-a-mano with the Odious Ovechkin you say ?

I WILL be watching.
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0 #24 Alcatraz 2011-12-07 12:57
Quoting Tired:
I'm sooooooo tired of reading about Filatov, I almost don't want to come to this site anymore cause it seems that all you guys talk about! The kid is 21 years old, McLean will give him his chance when he deserves it look folks he's done NOTHING to deserve ice time


I agree completely, only if everyone else on the team has been producing and not be given a free ride! (I'm loooking at you butler) If Maclean treated eveyrone equally then ya Filatov does not deserve to be there

But everyone knows Filatov has oodles more skill than Butler, but he just hasn't been given a fair shake
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+1 #25 NikoTn 2011-12-07 13:04
Quoting spezzerman:
why is Filitov up if they arent using him?


Because he makes 60k in the AHL and a million bucks in the NHL. That's why. If we sent him down, he'd bolt to the KHL.
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0 #26 conservativeHippie 2011-12-07 13:04
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:


This has to come to a conclusion by early in 2012 !


Wow...Sign of the times...I could have sworn this said "concussion by early in 2012"
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+1 #27 TWO to Tootoo too 2011-12-07 13:04
Kuba out for a month ?

Well - that solves the too many D-Men problem.

AND Kuba's value at the trade deadline just dropped a lot.
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-3 #28 SensFanInMTL 2011-12-07 13:04
Seems likely Filatov will be headed to Russia before the Christmas break. Thanks for the efforts Nik, we hardly knew you.

"Is just a nu start phor me, end I'm just heppy to be ere."
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+1 #29 Johne 2011-12-07 13:07
I thought those couple of wraparound chances Filatov had in Dallas were enough to say hey this kid is on the verge of putting one in, but no...he's benched. I'm just saying that Filatov's rope should be no shorter than Butler's.

I'd also be open to rotating that wing open to several players with the notion of 'get on the scoresheet and you play again'. Sort of the same issue we had with goalies 'you win, you're in.'
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-1 #30 Alcatraz 2011-12-07 13:08
Quoting TWO to Tootoo too:
Kuba out for a month ?

Well - that solves the too many D-Men problem.

AND Kuba's value at the trade deadline just dropped a lot.


If anything people saw his value and will still reach for him, now we can showcase Carkner and Lee inflating their values for deadline day deals hahah
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+1 #31 Ray Finkle 2011-12-07 13:08
I was at the Sens/Lightning game the other night and I kept watching Spezza to see how much defense he was playing. I noticed he barely crossed the defensive blueline, was continuously cheating to the attack. I haven't been to enough games or seen enough this year to know if this is a common occurence of if it was part of the gameplan to disrupt the 1-3-1 trap of the Lightning.

I am curious to hear the thoughts of those that get to games regularily.

Thanks
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0 #32 Tired 2011-12-07 13:11
Butler is 25 years old career stats: 56gp 12g 15a
Filatov is 21 years old career stats: 53gp 6g 8a

Yeah I guess Filatov is the better player!?!

The reason why Butler is getting a shot ahead of Filatov is the fact that he's older, therefore we need to make a decision sooner we are still a few years away from having to decide what to do with Filatov.

Regardless I think both of these players will not be with us when we are competing for Lord Stanley cause honestly you don't win a cup with 1 dimensional players like that!
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0 #33 Alcatraz 2011-12-07 13:12
Quoting Ray Finkle:
I was at the Sens/Lightning game the other night and I kept watching Spezza to see how much defense he was playing. I noticed he barely crossed the defensive blueline, was continuously cheating to the attack. I haven't been to enough games or seen enough this year to know if this is a common occurence of if it was part of the gameplan to disrupt the 1-3-1 trap of the Lightning.

I am curious to hear the thoughts of those that get to games regularily.

Thanks


Interesting, by chance did you see which D was on the ice at the same time?

With Karlsson out there and I knew that and I'm Spezza, you know I want to be in a position to transition easily. We make too much fuss about TBay trap, but every team clogs the neutral zone (see NHL.com feature on Dan Boyle)

Is Spezza is cheating and its Phillips?Cowen out there, then that has to stop cause you know hes not getting a breakout pass crisply
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0 #34 St Nick 2011-12-07 13:13
Filatov has been given plenty of chances & hasn't done anything yet. At least with Butler we know he has done it before, in Bingo & Ottawa last yr. Filatov hasn't done anything since he was drafted & Columbus the worse team in the NHL gave him away for nothing. They gave up on him ever being a NHL player for them.

We can't on the one hand say how good this organization is at developing young players & how good our coaching staff is & then on the other hand say Filatov is not getting a fair shake here. Why would he be treated any differently? Now it's Maclean`s fault? I thought he was a good coach?

I see Butler throw hits, finish his checks, score a couple of goals, make scoring chances & setups. I don't see any of that from Filatov. I see a guy skating around not hitting anyone & waiting for something to happen for him, he's mostly invisible. IMO he doesn't work for it, so he doesn't deserve it.
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-1 #35 Canucnik 2011-12-07 13:18
Filatov is still up because Bryan is trying to give him some "Big" League money. @ $65k he's goin' home!

The Coaches (plural) have Butts so D contious he is not staying on the Offence long enough and so as "Cy" is the designated defensive specialist on that line Jason gets left all alone and no one gets any shots.

Too bad about the "China Doll" so predictable...n ot his fault too brital! And he is immoveable!

I'd do the Condra to First Line for Neil to 3rd switch.

Semin is the guy to watch tonight but he should draw our "older" pair.
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0 #36 IcySurfas 2011-12-07 13:19
Like a cheapo, I adjusted my Bell TV services last month so that I wasn't paying for TSN to save a few bucks. So as of now I don't have the game on at home (unless ofcourse I re-activate the TSN Theme pack). I did notice however that NHL Network has a free preview of all their channels till Dec 11 (Sunday).

Anyone have Bell and know if the Sens and Caps game will be on one of these channels tonight, or am I stuck with TSN.
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0 #37 Alcatraz 2011-12-07 13:21
As a coach looking to spark a player, would tonight not be the night to throw Filatov in the mix? Going head to head versus his Russian counterparts in Ovie and Semin?

I just want this over with, pick a player or play them both? Here is a fun option, sit Kenopka, move greening to a 3b line of greening-winche ster-neil and then have a 1st line of:
Butler-Spezza-Filatov
Dog eat dog world
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-2 #38 Tcheu 2011-12-07 13:27
To fuel the controversy between Filatov and Butler. I just compiled some stats from Nhl.com

Butler played five games on the second line (Oct 13 - Nov 1 - Nov 4 - Nov 5 - Nov 9 )
and three games on the first line (Nov 29 - Dec 3 - Dec 5) recording 9 shots and earning 2 assists.

Filatov played four games on the first line (Oct 7 - Oct 8 - Nov 27 - Dec 1)
recording 3 shots and 1 assist.

Filatov has been judged on two " two game stretches " as a top 6 forward while Butler had both a five game and another four game stretch (adding tonight's game).

Neither one of them as shown that he can perform on one of the top two lines but seeing those stats I would say that these players are not receiveing equal treatment.

Judging one player on five games and the other one on two games is suprising to say the least.
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0 #39 simple jack 2011-12-07 13:29
Quoting IcySurfas:
Like a cheapo, I adjusted my Bell TV services last month so that I wasn't paying for TSN to save a few bucks. So as of now I don't have the game on at home (unless ofcourse I re-activate the TSN Theme pack). I did notice however that NHL Network has a free preview of all their channels till Dec 11 (Sunday).

Anyone have Bell and know if the Sens and Caps game will be on one of these channels tonight, or am I stuck with TSN.


Tsn is advertising live stream and blog for the sens game tonight, tsn.ca/nhl
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-1 #40 Ray Finkle 2011-12-07 13:33
@Alcatraz,

I didn't notice which defensmen were on, but either way it was blatently obvious he was in no way in position to make a defensive play in the slot let alone help his defensmen out in the corners or behind the net.
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-1 #41 Johne 2011-12-07 13:35
To add more stats:

Butler for this season ATOI 11:23 to Filatov's 9:49

I'm a fan of Butler's, he is a pure goal scorer that this team needs, but outside of Butler's breakout game in Calgary, he hasn't done much to show me that he should be playing on the top line.

Filatov on the other hand hasn't exactly shown me that he should be on the top line either, but he should be getting equal minutes to Butler. Neither of them play well defensively, so take that completely out of the equation.
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+1 #42 Tired 2011-12-07 13:37
What has Filatov done to deserve equal ice time with Butler??
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+1 #43 Johne 2011-12-07 13:42
Quoting Tired:
What has Filatov done to deserve equal ice time with Butler??


Nothing, but what has Butler done to deserve more ice time than Filatov?

Butler has played more NHL games this season than Filatov too. I think they BOTH need to step their game up and prove that they belong, but letting things be 'status quo' with Butler isn't the way I'd motivate either player.
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0 #44 Tired 2011-12-07 13:43
Sorry but you don't get ice time based on potential. You have to work for what you get and Filatov hasn't work hard enough to deserve anything!
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0 #45 Tired 2011-12-07 13:45
Quoting Johne:
Quoting Tired:
What has Filatov done to deserve equal ice time with Butler??


Nothing, but what has Butler done to deserve more ice time than Filatov?


Butler was one of our best players in the 2nd half last year, that's why he's getting a shot robotics what he's got ahead of Filatov!
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0 #46 Sensnation 2011-12-07 13:45
Quoting Ray Finkle:
I was at the Sens/Lightning game the other night and I kept watching Spezza to see how much defense he was playing. I noticed he barely crossed the defensive blueline, was continuously cheating to the attack. I haven't been to enough games or seen enough this year to know if this is a common occurence of if it was part of the gameplan to disrupt the 1-3-1 trap of the Lightning.

I am curious to hear the thoughts of those that get to games regularily.

Thanks


How is Spezza cheating on the attack if he's normally the one carrying the puck up ice, end to end! Not sure what you were looking at.
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-2 #47 hq 2011-12-07 13:48
after reading everyone's arguments about the way the sens are managing filatov.....it just makes me wonder why they ever traded for him in the first place.
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+2 #48 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 13:48
Maclean knows what he is doing. He knows which players deserve to be playing and which don't. This debate has to end. None of us see what happens in the dressing room, in practice, in the weight room etc. The coaching staff obviously doesn't see enough out of Filatov to warrant him entering the line-up and that's the bottom line.
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+1 #49 Tired 2011-12-07 13:49
Quoting Tired:
Quoting Johne:
Quoting Tired:
What has Filatov done to deserve equal ice time with Butler??


Nothing, but what has Butler done to deserve more ice time than Filatov?


Butler was one of our best players in the 2nd half last year, that's why he's getting a shot robotics what he's got ahead of Filatov!


Dam iPhone auto correct... What I meant to say was Butler was one of our best player in the 2nd half last year which is why he's getting more of a shot ahead of Filatov
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0 #50 Johne 2011-12-07 13:51
Regin needs to be playing in that spot, end of discussion. Filatov will be a victim of 2-way contract and play in Bingo until a callup is needed. Kasper has been playing TOO good to be sent back :/
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+1 #51 Sensnation 2011-12-07 13:51
Quoting Johne:
Quoting Tired:
What has Filatov done to deserve equal ice time with Butler??


Nothing, but what has Butler done to deserve more ice time than Filatov?


Butler was injured to start the year, he's just rounding into form now. As a Sens fan you should know what Butler has done that Filatov has not, it's obvious in the games they've played.

Also, sophomore slump is not uncommon after the increased workload and travel and such. Give Butler some time and he'll remind you why we liked him last year. Filatov has NEVER done anything in the NHL to this point aside from the hat trick in his 6th game, which was years ago.
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0 #52 Tired 2011-12-07 13:53
Quoting hq:
after reading everyone's arguments about the way the sens are managing filatov.....it just makes me wonder why they ever traded for him in the first place.


We traded for Filatov cause he's got great skill and we need skill but skill will take you only so far without hard work
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+4 #53 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 13:54
Happy Birthday Milan Michalek. Let's get him a win tonight to celebrate. I'm expecting another strong game from Anderson and the Sens tonight.
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+1 #54 Sensnation 2011-12-07 13:56
Quoting hq:
after reading everyone's arguments about the way the sens are managing filatov.....it just makes me wonder why they ever traded for him in the first place.


Because we are rebuilding and at some point in the future Filatov has the potential to be an all-star caliber player. All prospects come with risk/reward, in this case the risk was a measly 3rd round pick and the reward could be huge ... just stop expecting it to happen right away!

The problem with Filatov is not his play, is not management's decision to sit him, it's FANS' expectations that he would become a 1st line sniper right away, just because we traded for him! Leave some time for this kid to ride his learning curve already and let's end this debate.
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+3 #55 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 13:59
Quoting Sensnation:


The problem with Filatov is not his play, is not management's decision to sit him, it's FANS' expectations that he would become a 1st line sniper right away, just because we traded for him! Leave some time for this kid to ride his learning curve already and let's end this debate.


YES!! It was the fans that put such high expectations on the guy. I remember when we acquired him and also during training camp a lot of posters around here were predicting 50-60+ point production of out Filatov.
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0 #56 spezzerman 2011-12-07 14:00
Obviously there is a reason why our worst player keeps getting a chance, just wish we knew what is was, or for how long he will get this chance. I'm just a little nervous with the amount of firepower we are facing the next couple weeks. We need our scorers to score to match up. we cant rely on line 2 and 3 to score every night. Butler better wake up and start scoring again to earn that nice contract he played for last year that is getting him this ice team. you have to think he will have to score a goal in the next game or two to keep playing.

anyway, what else should we be discussing?

I'd like to see Carkner return to the lineup for the Bruins game next week, just in case...
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-1 #57 Alcatraz 2011-12-07 14:00
Maclean wasn't with Butler last year, and I thought the coaching change was supposed to be clean slate. Maclean shouldn't be going off last year. Its based off this year performance and work only in my eyes

Thats why guys like Daug and Greening are getting more ice time. So dn't use last year use only this year.

I think both BUtler and Filatov have skill and they bothh have a purpose in this league

Again why not try butler-spezza-f ilatov one game? maybe the only two disappointments to the team this year can bring the best out of each other
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0 #58 spezzerman 2011-12-07 14:05
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Quoting Sensnation:


The problem with Filatov is not his play, is not management's decision to sit him, it's FANS' expectations that he would become a 1st line sniper right away, just because we traded for him! Leave some time for this kid to ride his learning curve already and let's end this debate.


YES!! It was the fans that put such high expectations on the guy. I remember when we acquired him and also during training camp a lot of posters around here were predicting 50-60+ point production of out Filatov.


I agree to an extent but for me, expectations isnt the right word, more like high hopes.

One expectation I did have was that he would be playing.

but whatever, I'm not doubting Maclean. I just really hope Butler starts scoring like he did last year, or at least trying.
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0 #59 Sensnation 2011-12-07 14:14
Quoting spezzerman:

I agree to an extent but for me, expectations isnt the right word, more like high hopes.

One expectation I did have was that he would be playing.

but whatever, I'm not doubting Maclean. I just really hope Butler starts scoring like he did last year, or at least trying.


Sorry, but that 1st line made me laugh. Expectation = Hope fyi.

expectation [ˌɛkspɛkˈteɪʃən]
n
1. the act or state of expecting or the state of being expected
2. (usually plural) something looked forward to, whether feared or hoped for
3. an attitude of expectancy or hope; anticipation
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+1 #60 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 14:19
Quoting Alcatraz:
Maclean wasn't with Butler last year, and I thought the coaching change was supposed to be clean slate. Maclean shouldn't be going off last year. Its based off this year performance and work only in my eyes

Thats why guys like Daug and Greening are getting more ice time. So dn't use last year use only this year.

I think both BUtler and Filatov have skill and they bothh have a purpose in this league

Again why not try butler-spezza-filatov one game? maybe the only two disappointments to the team this year can bring the best out of each other


Why would you want to put Spezza with our two worst players?
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0 #61 boom 2011-12-07 14:21
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting spezzerman:

I agree to an extent but for me, expectations isnt the right word, more like high hopes.

One expectation I did have was that he would be playing.

but whatever, I'm not doubting Maclean. I just really hope Butler starts scoring like he did last year, or at least trying.


Sorry, but that 1st line made me laugh. Expectation = Hope fyi.

expectation [ˌɛkspɛkˈteɪʃən]
n
1. the act or state of expecting or the state of being expected
2. (usually plural) something looked forward to, whether feared or hoped for
3. an attitude of expectancy or hope; anticipation

Expectation = Hope? I don't think so...
I may HOPE that the Receptionist has a change of heart and wants to have mindless sex with me, but my EXPECTATIONS are that this will never happen...see the difference?
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+1 #62 Alcatraz 2011-12-07 14:26
@alfie4mayor

is that not what we have done for the past 3 years?? Anyone who is struggling or we project to be top 6 player, hey put them with spezza! he must make them a good player

Ideally I think Spezza should be with michalek and greening

then have a regin-foligno-a lfie line when regin is healthy
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+1 #63 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 14:30
Quoting Alcatraz:
@alfie4mayor

is that not what we have done for the past 3 years?? Anyone who is struggling or we project to be top 6 player, hey put them with spezza! he must make them a good player

Ideally I think Spezza should be with michalek and greening

then have a regin-foligno-alfie line when regin is healthy


I was just thinking that myself. I was wondering where Regin would fit in when he returns, and I think the best fit for him is on the wing with Foligno and Alfie. Regin and Foligno have shown to have good chemistry together in the past.

It would also be nice to have our best goal scorer back with Spezza. The Greening-Spezza -MM9 line was tearing it up.
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0 #64 Sensnation 2011-12-07 14:40
Quoting boom:
Quoting Sensnation:

Sorry, but that 1st line made me laugh. Expectation = Hope fyi.

expectation [ˌɛkspɛkˈteɪʃən]
n
1. the act or state of expecting or the state of being expected
2. (usually plural) something looked forward to, whether feared or hoped for
3. an attitude of expectancy or hope; anticipation

Expectation = Hope? I don't think so...
I may HOPE that the Receptionist has a change of heart and wants to have mindless sex with me, but my EXPECTATIONS are that this will never happen...see the difference?


Read #2 & #3 in the definition. Also search for synonyms, they will show up for each other.
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-1 #65 Tookie 2011-12-07 14:42
Quoting Johne:
I thought those couple of wraparound chances Filatov had in Dallas were enough to say hey this kid is on the verge of putting one in, but no...he's benched. I'm just saying that Filatov's rope should be no shorter than Butler's.

I'd also be open to rotating that wing open to several players with the notion of 'get on the scoresheet and you play again'. Sort of the same issue we had with goalies 'you win, you're in.'



Its normal to give a kid that is product of your own program a better shot than a kid from another program.

Butler's time is running out tho and Filatov, IF he can wait will get his shot.
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0 #66 conservativeHippie 2011-12-07 14:44
Just heard a really cool idea on TSN990 (would be listening to Team1200, but no local talk between noon and 3 HINT HINT).

Why a Senator lays a heavy hit, the fans should shout BOOM!

That. would. be. AWESOME!
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0 #67 Tookie 2011-12-07 14:46
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:

It would also be nice to have our best goal scorer back with Spezza. The Greening-Spezza-MM9 line was tearing it up.


Yeah, they were bound to struggle at one point but hell, put them back together.

Spezza is playing with ______, give the man some help!
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+3 #68 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 14:50
If we win tonight we're only two points back of the Leafs with both teams playing 28 games!
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0 #69 Smash_88 2011-12-07 14:55
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting boom:
Quoting Sensnation:

Sorry, but that 1st line made me laugh. Expectation = Hope fyi.

expectation [ˌɛkspɛkˈteɪʃən]
n
1. the act or state of expecting or the state of being expected
2. (usually plural) something looked forward to, whether feared or hoped for
3. an attitude of expectancy or hope; anticipation

Expectation = Hope? I don't think so...
I may HOPE that the Receptionist has a change of heart and wants to have mindless sex with me, but my EXPECTATIONS are that this will never happen...see the difference?


Read #2 & #3 in the definition. Also search for synonyms, they will show up for each other.


Yeah the straight definition doesn't work here... I can hope for things to happen but don't expect them to...
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0 #70 Sens of Peskyville 2011-12-07 14:57
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:

It would also be nice to have our best goal scorer back with Spezza. The Greening-Spezza-MM9 line was tearing it up.


Yeah, they were bound to struggle at one point but hell, put them back together.

Spezza is playing with retards, give the man some help!


Wow! A new low for Tookie... referring to our own players as "retards". They may not be true top 6 forwards, but if you really hate this team that much, get the f&*k off this site.
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0 #71 conservativeHippie 2011-12-07 14:59
Quoting Blue:
Wow! A new low for Tookie... referring to our own players as "retards". They may not be true top 6 forwards, but if you really hate this team that much, get the f&*k off this site.


BOOM!

Hehe...
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0 #72 miguel 2011-12-07 15:00
Quoting hq:
after reading everyone's arguments about the way the sens are managing filatov.....it just makes me wonder why they ever traded for him in the first place.

That is at the crust of my frustration,
we and I include Filatov, were sold on a rebuild with a shortage of top 6 players.
Filatov already promising to go to the KHL if not in the NHL was promised a fair shot.
I would like an explanation as to why he has not received that shot.
Poor Spezza has been stuck with young unproven NHL players for way too long. If you want to try out Butler with him, then keep Michalek on his line.
Right now we do not have a first line, only a 2-4 lines.
How can it hurt to give Spezza another creative player?

Or I repeat the question... why trade for him in the first place?
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0 #73 spezzerman 2011-12-07 15:25
Quoting Smash_88:
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting boom:
Quoting Sensnation:

Sorry, but that 1st line made me laugh. Expectation = Hope fyi.

expectation [ˌɛkspɛkˈteɪʃən]
n
1. the act or state of expecting or the state of being expected
2. (usually plural) something looked forward to, whether feared or hoped for
3. an attitude of expectancy or hope; anticipation

Expectation = Hope? I don't think so...
I may HOPE that the Receptionist has a change of heart and wants to have mindless sex with me, but my EXPECTATIONS are that this will never happen...see the difference?


Read #2 & #3 in the definition. Also search for synonyms, they will show up for each other.


Yeah the straight definition doesn't work here... I can hope for things to happen but don't expect them to...


@Sensation...I expect Butler to shit the bed tonight but I really, really hope I am wrong.
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0 #74 Tookie 2011-12-07 15:30
Quoting Blue:
Wow! A new low for Tookie... referring to our own players as "retards". They may not be true top 6 forwards, but if you really hate this team that much, get the f&*k off this site.


Oops sorry, did I offend you Blue? Seems so.
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-2 #75 Sensnation 2011-12-07 15:32
Man if you guys can't understand the terms, f it. I'm done trying to explain that you guys are talking about realistic expectations, which is different then what you are saying. It always surprises me how many facts are treated as opinion or debatable in this forum. Enjoy the misinformation age boys.
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-2 #76 Sens of Peskyville 2011-12-07 15:32
Quoting spezzerman:


@Sensation...I expect Butler to shit the bed tonight but I really, really hope I am wrong.


I really hope this thread ends soon, but I expect it will continue ad-nauseam.

ad nauseam [æd 'n??z??æm -s?-]
adv
to a disgusting extent
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+2 #77 The Apostle 2011-12-07 15:35
Quoting miguel:

Filatov already promising to go to the KHL if not in the NHL was promised a fair shot.
I would like an explanation as to why he has not received that shot.


Putting aside the word fair because that is subjective.

An answer to your question would be, because in the minds of Bryan Murray and Paul MacLean he has not shown enough at training camp, in the games that he has had with Ottawa, in practice and in Bingo to warrant being played ahead of the likes of people like Bobby Butler, Kaspars Daugavins and Colin Greening (amongst others).

Playing Filatov alongside Spezza is still sticking him with somebody young and unproven.

Your next question, we traded for Filatov to give a shot should he earn it. As yet he hasn't.
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+2 #78 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-12-07 15:36
HAppy Birthday too MM9....hope he gets a hat trick tonight !!
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-1 #79 Tookie 2011-12-07 15:37
Quoting Alcatraz:
Maclean wasn't with Butler last year, and I thought the coaching change was supposed to be clean slate. Maclean shouldn't be going off last year. Its based off this year performance and work only in my eyes

Thats why guys like Daug and Greening are getting more ice time. So dn't use last year use only this year.

I think both BUtler and Filatov have skill and they bothh have a purpose in this league

Again why not try butler-spezza-filatov one game? maybe the only two disappointments to the team this year can bring the best out of each other


Hell, while were at it throw in Carkner and Regin on the 1st line, the more the merrier it seems!
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+3 #80 Spanishflea12 2011-12-07 15:40
Cant blame Filatov for wanting to leave...Theres a point where money isnt all that big a deal anymore. He just wants to play the game he loves and be a meaningful player. He doesnt want to play with kids in the AHL or watch pro's from the press box. Thats torture to a professional hockey player. Which would you pick? Be a bench warmer for a million dollars or be a key player in your home country? I honestly feel bad for him and i bet most people would agree.
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-1 #81 Tookie 2011-12-07 15:46
Quoting Spanishflea12:
Cant blame Filatov for wanting to leave...Theres a point where money isnt all that big a deal anymore. He just wants to play the game he loves and be a meaningful player. He doesnt want to play with kids in the AHL or watch pro's from the press box. Thats torture to a professional hockey player. Which would you pick? Be a bench warmer for a million dollars or be a key player in your home country? I honestly feel bad for him and i bet most people would agree.


Yeah I really dont know what they had in mind when trading for him. Did they expect he would come in and light it up. Did they want to groom him into an overall good player. Did they just want him as a spare?

Either way right now it seems he's just an extra body filling spots where needed.
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0 #82 MethotToMyMadness 2011-12-07 15:55
I calmly agree not to come to a disagreement with the majority agreement that we all disagree to a degree that what is happening with Filatov is wrong. Ummm.. did that make any sense? Probably not, just like this Filatov/Butler debate makes no sense. Leave that up to the coach and lets move on people.

What everyone expected to happen in pre-season has finally happened, Kuba is out. I do think Kuba has played beyond expectations this year, which isn't hard considering how low they were. He has gained some trade value. I'd give more than a bag of pucks, maybe throw in a few sticks as well. I'm just happy to see Lee finally get a chance.

No big trade rumours, anyone, anyone???
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0 #83 Sens of Peskyville 2011-12-07 15:58
I like the idea of moving MM9 back up with Spezza & Greening when Regin comes back. A second line of Regin/Foligno/A lfie would work well, I think. And keep the 3rd line together, of course.

But that would leave Neil/Winchester /Konopka/Butler /Filatov all fighting for the 4th line...

If they send Daugs back down (based on contract not play) then I guess that would open a spot with Smith/Condra... but Neil would be the best option there I would think. That would be a fun line to watch ;-)
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0 #84 miguel 2011-12-07 15:59
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting miguel:

Filatov already promising to go to the KHL if not in the NHL was promised a fair shot.
I would like an explanation as to why he has not received that shot.


Putting aside the word fair because that is subjective.

An answer to your question would be, because in the minds of Bryan Murray and Paul MacLean he has not shown enough at training camp, in the games that he has had with Ottawa, in practice and in Bingo to warrant being played ahead of the likes of people like Bobby Butler, Kaspars Daugavins and Colin Greening (amongst others).

Playing Filatov alongside Spezza is still sticking him with somebody young and unproven.

Your next question, we traded for Filatov to give a shot should he earn it. As yet he hasn't.


who (new player) has shown anything to be on the top 3
why always Butler
and how has Butler earned it?
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+4 #85 yawnzzz 2011-12-07 16:00
funny, What we expected from Veterans Phillips/Goncha r,

we are getting from youngsters Cowen/Karlsson

Tide is changing lol
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0 #86 The Apostle 2011-12-07 16:11
Quoting miguel:


who (new player) has shown anything to be on the top 3
why always Butler
and how has Butler earned it?


Colin Greening - he has less NHL experience than both Butler and Filatov.
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-5 #87 Marshy_rules 2011-12-07 16:11
On Spezza:

No chemistry with Butler
No chemistry with Filatov
No chemistry with MM9
No chemistry with ......

It's impossible to have chemistry with the guy when he keeps coughing up the puck to the other team.

At what point do you start thinking that the problem may be with the center ?
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0 #88 miguel 2011-12-07 16:12
Apostle,

I can see your point, but right now Spezza is really carrying two new guys... granted Greening looked good when Michalek was there, but putting another new guy (Butler/Filatov ) is really hurting all of them.
I know that McLean is big on deserving it, but the reality is some player simply play better than they practice.
All I am saying is that if we traded for him, in hopes he could play top 6, give him some top 6 minutes, before we lose him like we did many other of our Russian hopefuls
Kaigarodov
Nikolin
Lyamin etc.

And also when I seen him at the WJC he was by far one of the best players, and I don't think that they lose this overnight.
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0 #89 miguel 2011-12-07 16:16
Quoting yawnzzz:
funny, What we expected from Veterans Phillips/Gonchar,

we are getting from youngsters Cowen/Karlsson

Tide is changing lol

excellent point!!!!
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0 #90 SlickRick 2011-12-07 16:18
@Ray Finkle

That is the best handle on here by far!!!
"Laces out!"
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0 #91 The Apostle 2011-12-07 16:23
Miguel you can bitch and moan about Filatov not getting a fair shot as much as you like but he has 14pts in 53 NHL games and Butler has nearly twice the production (27 in 56).

I agree that at the moment neither of them have done much to warrant top 6 minutes but if one of them gets a first try at the job it should be Butler based on production so far.

The last 2 games they both played (not counting the injury) Filatov and Butler had basically the same ice time. This season Butler has 6pts in 18, Filatov 1 in 9. Butler has 1 pt every 34 minutes, Filatov 1 in 85.Butler has spent most of this season on the 3rd and 4th lines. It's not like Butler has been given all the opportunities under the sun.

There must be something that NF is doing that the coaches don't like. I don't want players rewarded for being whining little bitches who blackmail the team whilst producing NOTHING. I want hard work and buying into the team ethic to be rewarded.
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+6 #92 Engin 2011-12-07 16:36
Quoting Marshy_rules:
On Spezza:

No chemistry with Butler
No chemistry with Filatov
No chemistry with MM9
No chemistry with ......

It's impossible to have chemistry with the guy when he keeps coughing up the puck to the other team.

At what point do you start thinking that the problem may be with the center ?


About 72% of MM9's goals and 80% of his points have come with Spezza as his Centreman. The same can be said with Butler and Greening. Here is some advise for you and the rest of that retarded Anti-Spezza Cult. Spezza is a bonafide Number 1 Centre and those don't grow on trees.
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+1 #93 Sens of Peskyville 2011-12-07 16:39
Quoting Marshy_rules:
On Spezza:

No chemistry with Butler
No chemistry with Filatov
No chemistry with MM9
No chemistry with ......

It's impossible to have chemistry with the guy when he keeps coughing up the puck to the other team.

At what point do you start thinking that the problem may be with the center ?


No chemistry with MM9? Did you watch the first 15 games? They were arguably our best 2 forwards when they played together. McLean split them up to help develop a 2nd line.

I think Greening does better when he plays with Spezza & MM9 than with Spezza & Butler/Filatov since he doesn't neeed to do as much. With Butler/Filatov it seems like Greening is trying to do to much and/or trying to be something he's not.

Get Regin back with Foligno/Alfie and reunite Spezza/MM9/Gree ning... that will end the Butler/Filatov debate.
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+1 #94 Sensnation 2011-12-07 16:54
Quoting Marshy_rules:
On Spezza:

No chemistry with Butler
No chemistry with Filatov
No chemistry with MM9
No chemistry with ......

It's impossible to have chemistry with the guy when he keeps coughing up the puck to the other team.

At what point do you start thinking that the problem may be with the center ?


At the point where everything you just said might actually be true, until then join reality.
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0 #95 Hax 2011-12-07 17:03
We only have a small amount of information to go on. Nobody here knows what is being said to the players directly, or what the players are saying to the coaches, or what happens in practice even.

It's pointless to get too riled up debating Filatov vs Butler since we don't have all the information. Maybe they were both told that Butler will get 5 games, then Filatov and they'll go from there. Maybe nobody's telling them anything.

Bottom line, I'm sure they'll make damn sure they've explored all their options and won't trade/release/g ive up on anyone until MacLean is 100% sure he can't use the guy.
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0 #96 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-12-07 17:05
Quoting Marshy_rules:
On Spezza:

No chemistry with Butler
No chemistry with Filatov
No chemistry with MM9
No chemistry with ......

It's impossible to have chemistry with the guy when he keeps coughing up the puck to the other team.

At what point do you start thinking that the problem may be with the center ?


I hope you said that too get a raise out of people but ..we are past that point ..since 2008 which was the last time he had played a full season and scored more the 57 points in a season ..Thats when we had Alfie/ Heatley on his wings ... Not bad for Bona Fide 1 Centre ...
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0 #97 Hax 2011-12-07 17:11
Does anyone know if Filatov is even 100%? Or is he potentially still a bit off from that boot to the head?
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0 #98 Hax 2011-12-07 17:14
I like the suggestion of maybe adding a different winger to the mix (assuming our intention is pretty much purely to determine if Filatov/Butler can stick on the top line). Maybe having MM9 back up there will help one of those guys settle in. It does seem like Greening hasn't been quite as good since MM9 moved down to the second line.
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0 #99 Frootmig 2011-12-07 17:22
Senschirp;

Icethetics is saying that the NHL will use the exact say NHL All-Star jerseys as last year here in Ottawa. The only change would be the Ottawa All-Star patch on the shoulder.

You got any info on this?
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0 #100 SensChirp 2011-12-07 17:27
Quoting Frootmig:
Senschirp;

Icethetics is saying that the NHL will use the exact say NHL All-Star jerseys as last year here in Ottawa. The only change would be the Ottawa All-Star patch on the shoulder.

You got any info on this?

Saw that on another Sens blog today. Have not heard any of the particulars but I would assume the picture is legit.
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+1 #101 ShaunK 2011-12-07 17:36
We've outplayed these chumps both times we've played them so far. Hope to finally get a W
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0 #102 PraiseAlfie84 2011-12-07 17:38
Heard today they will be installing the new scoreboard over Christmas, praise the lawd!
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+1 #103 hq 2011-12-07 17:50
on a slightly different note: whatever happened to mike brodeur?
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0 #104 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 18:31
HUGE game for the Sens tonight. We need at least a point to stay competitive in our division.

I know we all shat in the off season of the fact that we have too many defencemen, but the good thing about having "too many" is having good depth and the ability for the coach to pick and choose.

With Kuba out, it's nice that we'll still have a solid core with Lee slotting in, and Carks coming back. So while Kuba [dare I say it] has been GOOD, it's not a huge loss because we have depth.

That being said when Kuba comes back, it would be nice to at least get something for Lee. At least a 3rd maybe?
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0 #105 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 18:40
Predicting the Bingo line is going to be the difference maker in this one [as usual]. GO SENS GO
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0 #106 kingalfredsson 2011-12-07 18:52
Happy bday Milan Michalekkkk ! hope you score a hat trick tonight for a great birthday gift
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0 #107 57gord 2011-12-07 18:54
Quoting hq:
on a slightly different note: whatever happened to mike brodeur?


Just changed his last name to McKenna that's all.....
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0 #108 Dorkiewicz  2011-12-07 19:30
Quoting Tookie19:


Spezza is playing with retards, give the man some help!



EEEEEYORE !
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0 #109 texmexnl 2011-12-07 19:30
bobby butler isnt showing anything at all....its got to be time for filatov
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-3 #110 NickG 2011-12-07 19:32
Welp. MM9 misses the net. Someone else skates away from the net with the Caps with no goalie in the net.
And we take 2 penalties at one time.


Fail for Nail starting tonight?
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+2 #111 SensFanInMTL 2011-12-07 19:38
Quoting NickG:
Welp. MM9 misses the net. Someone else skates away from the net with the Caps with no goalie in the net.
And we take 2 penalties at one time.


Fail for Nail starting tonight?

No.
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0 #112 NickG 2011-12-07 19:42
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
Quoting NickG:
Welp. MM9 misses the net. Someone else skates away from the net with the Caps with no goalie in the net.
And we take 2 penalties at one time.


Fail for Nail starting tonight?

No.

That was seriously the worst period I've seen this year by the Sens.
Anderson is the only reason this game isn't 10-0.

Luckily the rest of the game can't possibly be as bad!
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+1 #113 Floridasensfan 2011-12-07 19:49
What a bunch of morons TSN going on about the sens being over achievers, even said they know they are not on a good team, referring Alfie.
Then they start to bash Karlsson.

I may end up watching the washington feed.
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0 #114 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 19:51
Quoting Floridasensfan:
What a bunch of morons TSN going on about the sense being over achievers, even said they know they are not on a good team, referring Alfie.
Then they start to bash Karlsson.

I may end up watching the washington feed.


I've gotten used to it. It's TSN. Their Ottawa biased.
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0 #115 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 20:01
The best thing about Regin coming back is that we won't have to see anymore Butler. He just doesn't bring anything to this team. He's the only forward on the team that doesn't have a role.
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+2 #116 NickG 2011-12-07 20:02
Quoting Floridasensfan:
What a bunch of morons TSN going on about the sense being over achievers, even said they know they are not on a good team, referring Alfie.
Then they start to bash Karlsson.

I may end up watching the washington feed.

At least they haven't mentioned the Leafs in the last 30 minutes. I think that might be a record.
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+1 #117 SensFanInMTL 2011-12-07 20:04
Team needs Spezza to start creating some shit out there man, he's been quiet. Hopefully Michalek can tie or surpass the league in goals as soon as tonight. Happy B-Day Milan come on boys vous etes capable.
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0 #118 NickG 2011-12-07 20:11
Butler and Lee both worked hard on that goal.


(sarcasm)
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0 #119 SensFanInMTL 2011-12-07 20:11
Nice pass Lee. Unfortunately that won't add to the points column.
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0 #120 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 20:13
Lee and Greening both lost their man on that goal. Lee turns over the puck then gets out muscled in front of the net. Booooooooo!
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+3 #121 NickG 2011-12-07 20:22
No penalty on Ovi for that slash/spear? What, does he play for Boston now?
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+2 #122 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 20:22
Wow what bullshit that penalty call was.
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0 #123 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 20:22
Chris Neil gets jabbed in the stomach goes down and gets called for a diving penalty
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+1 #124 yawnzzz 2011-12-07 20:23
Wow, we sens fans have seen a lot of nonsense from NHL refs...

but I Cant say I have ever been this furious at them in my life

Straight up amateur nonsense call


I need to see a big hit and fight ASAP
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+2 #125 HatesDumbFans 2011-12-07 20:25
haha nah refs are great in this league.

Boy are they going to look stupid when they see that again.
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0 #126 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 20:25
Quoting HatesDumbFans:
haha nah refs are great in this league.

Boy are they going to look stupid when they see that again.


Terrible miss call.
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+1 #127 yawnzzz 2011-12-07 20:26
Now you are F@%!'d Ovie Neiler is back
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+2 #128 NickG 2011-12-07 20:30
Thank God for Condra and a little something he has called "effort"!
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+1 #129 SensFanInMTL 2011-12-07 20:30
EAT IT ******s, EAT IT!
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+1 #130 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 20:31
CONDRA.
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+2 #131 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 20:31
FUCK YES!
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0 #132 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 20:33
Clean play by Wideman.
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0 #133 SensFanInMTL 2011-12-07 20:34
Fuck sakes, how many missed calls is that? Holding Foligno and tripping/ interfering with Michalek. These refs better have not parked in the same lot as the fans.
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0 #134 NickG 2011-12-07 20:35
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
Fuck sakes, how many missed calls is that? Holding Foligno and tripping/ interfering with Michalek. These refs better have not parked in the same lot as the fans.

Oh, they weren't missed. They were all noticed. Just not called.

Also, why is Butler on the PP?

He's playing awful. Just awful.
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0 #135 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 20:37
Looks like the refs finally woke up...
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+2 #136 NickG 2011-12-07 20:37
Ottawa on a 5 on 3?

EVERYONE GO BUY A LOTTO TICKET!
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+2 #137 SensFanInMTL 2011-12-07 20:38
The refs have awoken! Convert boys come on.
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+2 #138 NickG 2011-12-07 20:40
F***ing Foligno!

What a beauty!
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0 #139 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 20:41
Yo Foligno haters waddup now?!
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+1 #140 SensFanInMTL 2011-12-07 20:41
*Does double gun hand signals

Hahahaha. Eat it! Fuckin eat it!
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+1 #141 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 20:41
NICKI.
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+1 #142 sben 2011-12-07 20:43
that is not last years (or Cloustons) Foligno
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+1 #143 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-12-07 20:44
HIGHLIGHT OF THE NIGHT = Nick Folingo
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-1 #144 SensFanInMTL 2011-12-07 20:47
Although we're winning and can't complain, our 2nd and 3rd line guys are superb. Hell I even love our checking line. Who doesn't like Neil and Konopka on the same line? I'm more concerned about our 1st line. The game isn't over and already I wish they would change it. Thumbs down now because I do not want to see Greening anywhere near the first line. This guy has a hot start and isn't heard of since. When was the last time anyone discussed about his play or anything else he has done since? Some hate seeing Butler there well I can't stand seeing Greening up there. Can't wait for Regin to come back.
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0 #145 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-07 20:48
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
Although we're winning and can't complain, our 2nd and 3rd line guys are superb. Hell I even love our checking line. Who doesn't like Neil and Konopka on the same line? I'm more concerned about our 1st line. The game isn't over and already I wish they would change it. Thumbs down now because I do not want to see Greening anywhere near the first line. Some hate seeing Butler there well I can't stand seeing Greening up there. Can't wait for Regin to come back.


Spezza is playing with Alfredsson and Michalek...

they've already changed it man.
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-1 #146 SensFanInMTL 2011-12-07 20:50
Filatov - Spezza - Regin
Michalek - Foligno - Alfredsson
Daugavins - Smith - Condra
Winchester - Konopka - Neil

It at least gives a different look without drastically blowing the lines up.
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0 #147 The Apostle 2011-12-07 20:51
i am very confused

i am watching the end of the 2nd period chat and the people on TSN are saying nice things about the Senators.

black is white

cats and dogs living together
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0 #148 Floridasensfan 2011-12-07 20:52
beauty goal by Foligno, both the Condra and Floligno goal were similar going into the net.

payback bitches for the Neil Spear.

Nice to see the fans stand up for us, can hear the boos on TV, when that happens it is LOUD at the rink.
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0 #149 HatesDumbFans 2011-12-07 20:52
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
Filatov - Spezza - Regin
Michalek - Foligno - Alfredsson
Daugavins - Smith - Condra
Winchester - Konopka - Neil

It at least gives a different look without drastically blowing the lines up.


Don't mind this but really Winchester > Greening? I don't know if I'm sold that he is a first liner, but I'd take him on my team over Winchester.
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0 #150 Dillan 2011-12-07 20:52
Why isnt Nick Foligno on the all star balloting. the way he has been playing, he could start to. same with smith
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0 #151 hamany 2011-12-07 20:53
IF THERE WAS A TOP 20 GOALS OF THE YEAR FOLIGNO WOULD BE IN 20TH WITH HES GOAL........... ..DON'T REMEMBER SEEING A GOAL THAT NICE SINCE REGIN VS CHICAGO 2 YEARS AGO (FROM OTTAWA)
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0 #152 SensFanInMTL 2011-12-07 20:55
HatesDumbFans:
To be honest, it's always the same guys that get to sit in the pressbox. If you think Winchester needs to sit out, some other dude would like to see Butler. In my case it'd be Greening. We all have our choice of players who we would like to see sit out.
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-1 #153 hamany 2011-12-07 21:00
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
HatesDumbFans:
To be honest, it's always the same guys that get to sit in the pressbox. If you think Winchester needs to sit out, some other dude would like to see Butler. In my case it'd be Greening. We all have our choice of players who we would like to see sit out.

EXACTLY!
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0 #154 HatesDumbFans 2011-12-07 21:04
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
HatesDumbFans:
To be honest, it's always the same guys that get to sit in the pressbox. If you think Winchester needs to sit out, some other dude would like to see Butler. In my case it'd be Greening. We all have our choice of players who we would like to see sit out.



Fair enough. Well said.

On a separate note, I wonder how many make up calls we will get now that the refs have seen the spear.
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+1 #155 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 21:06
What a pathetic PP.

Maclean has to make that a focal point for improvement for tomorrow. Just pitiful.
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+1 #156 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 21:17
Ovie's a diving little bitchass.
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+1 #157 NickG 2011-12-07 21:18
I like how Ovechkin just jumped and fell, and the Sens get a penalty.

Oh wait, no I don't.
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+2 #158 NickG 2011-12-07 21:22
Looks like the Sens are afraid to do anything now because they seem to take a penalty for everything.

We're hesitating on every play. Not finishing checks. Not digging for pucks.

Refs are sure doing their jobs to give the Caps a W tonight.
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0 #159 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-07 21:25
McLean is building his lines to win games, not to make everyone's stats look good.

I'd say he is doing a good job so far. He's working with what he has.
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0 #160 SensFanInMTL 2011-12-07 21:28
Wow! Perfect ending to a douchebag who was trying all night.
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+1 #161 yawnzzz 2011-12-07 21:28
Am I gonna have to drive to Ottawa and throw a damn bodycheck on Ovechkin myself!?!? jesus
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0 #162 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 21:29
What the hell was that Rundblad... holy shit did things even just fall apart.
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+1 #163 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-07 21:30
Karlsson, Karlsson, Karlsson. I love ya, but sometimes you make me wonder...
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+2 #164 NickG 2011-12-07 21:31
Fans are leaving 5 minutes early.
Sens left 20 minutes early.
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0 #165 yawnzzz 2011-12-07 21:31
PP... we are better off 5 on 5
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-2 #166 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 21:33
Karlsson needs to work on his defensive game and his lateral skating. Ever since he played in Ottawa as a rookie he's always been poor skating laterally backwards.

This is something that needs to be addressed. Love the guy and what he brings offensively, but sometimes on defence I wonder.
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+1 #167 NickG 2011-12-07 21:33
Quoting yawnzzz:
PP... we are better off 5 on 5

We are better on a Par 5.
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+1 #168 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 21:34
I knew we'd get one on the PP. You know why? We had the right personnel out there. In other words, no Butler. Awesome goal by MM9!
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+1 #169 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-07 21:34
Cardiac Kids fellas...
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+2 #170 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 21:36
Way to sell the penalty Winnie. That one makes up for all the missed calls early in the game.
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+1 #171 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 21:37
My heart is pounding. Anybody else's?
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0 #172 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-07 21:37
Get Alfie out there!
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0 #173 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 21:42
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0 #174 NickG 2011-12-07 21:42
Well, at least MM9 got a goal, and Karlsson got an assist.

But wow. What a shit show by the Sens.
Seriously embarrassing.
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0 #175 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-07 21:44
We all expected to see games like this once in a while.
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-2 #176 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 21:48
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
We all expected to see games like this once in a while.


This is true, but at the same time, it shouldn't necessarily happen. This was the Sen's game to win.

In my opinion, as good as Karlsson has been, the coaches really need to work with him one on on for some lessons on defence. His backcheck and lateral skating is one of the worst I've ever seen.

Although he's been our best offensive defenceman, he remain for the second straight year our biggest liability defensively. As good as he is.
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-1 #177 hamany 2011-12-07 21:48
[quote name="NickG"]We ll, at least MM9 got a goal, and Karlsson got an assist.

But wow. What a shit show by the Sens.
Seriously embarrassing.

I 100% AGREE
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+2 #178 Mike Bauer 2011-12-07 21:49
Tough game.

2 things I noticed.

1/ Im tired of Butler. He's a one dimensional player and really, Im starting to think he's a HEATLEY type player - can only really shoot. Bad skater, no strength, not gritty, no moves. I'd like to see Filatov a bit more before we all write him off.

2/ For the first time, I questioned Macleans coaching decisions on that 4 on 4. I was at the game and saw that he had Daugavins and Winchester (who have both played well this year) vs. Backstrom and Ovechkin - I really think thats a MAJOR mismatch and it cost us. Add that to Karlsson on there, who has played well vs Ovechkin, but you need a bit more experience on at that point.

Whatever - almost tied it. Makes you wonder though, there has been at least 3-4 games that have gotten away from Ottawa, win those and your right in the thick of it. What do you expect though from a young team...
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0 #179 ShaunK 2011-12-07 21:51
LOL @ Buttman's refs doing whatever they can to get their golden boy Ovechkin and the Capitals going.

WHat a terribly officiated game. The Ovechkin spear speaks for itself but why the fuck did Foligno get a penalty on Laich for something dmen do hundreds of times a game.

Those offsetting penalties screwed us as 4 on 4 clearly favours them with their speed.
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+1 #180 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 21:54
You know what, despite the result, I'm happy my team fought back against of the most talented teams in the league. They showed spirit, although in my opinion they really should have won the game. Karlsson still needs work defensively.

Ah well, it is what it is. They have a chance to redeem themselves tomorrow versus the Devils.
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+3 #181 senskarlsson57 2011-12-07 21:55
I don't know about you guys, but im getting seriously ticked off with all these fucking missed calls by the refs. Just make it so that penalties are quickly reviewed. Its every single fucking game, and im done with this fucking shit. Just because no one is expecting anything from us this season, doesn't mean we get a lesser chance of winning every night? That ovie stab to neilers stomach could have put him out for a few games...and guess what? neil is the one who gets a penalty for it...fucking bull. And crosby, elbows foligno in the face after jizzing his pants all summer long about headshots....bu t guess who gets the penalty... FOLIGNO. Im done with this fucking shit, this is unfair and makes watching games really frustrating. Seriously, this happens every fucking game! Can't we ever catch a fucking break with these god damn refs?!

Oh ya, and congrats to Michalek on his 17th goal...great birthday present to be the nhl goal scoring leader!
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+2 #182 TyrantRoarrrrr 2011-12-07 22:00
"His backcheck and lateral skating is one of the worst I've ever seen."

Seriously? You should get tested because you're probably clinically retarded to be saying that about Karlsson. He's one of the best skaters in the NHL and regularly catches opposing forwards on the back-check with ease. Don't quit your day job idiot.
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-2 #183 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 22:01
Quoting Mike Bauer:

2/ For the first time, I questioned Macleans coaching decisions on that 4 on 4. I was at the game and saw that he had Daugavins and Winchester (who have both played well this year) vs. Backstrom and Ovechkin - I really think thats a MAJOR mismatch and it cost us. Add that to Karlsson on there, who has played well vs Ovechkin, but you need a bit more experience on at that point.


Agree 100%. I DO realise that it is difficult to sit a guy as good as Karlsson. However, that last pass he made to thread the puck thru the Washington player that caused the Carlson empty net was a terrible terrible move.This is the thing with Karlsson. He's good, but he makes horrible risks. Risks that you look back, shake your head, utter an expletive comment, and wonder if he'll ever learn. Not that I've done any of those things...
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-3 #184 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 22:03
Quoting TyrantRoarrrrr:
"His backcheck and lateral skating is one of the worst I've ever seen."

Seriously? You should get tested because you're probably clinically retarded to be saying that about Karlsson. He's one of the best skaters in the NHL and regularly catches opposing forwards on the back-check with ease. Don't quit your day job idiot.


I understand your frustration. However, I do not see the need to call me an idiot. This is a Senators-friend ly blog where people express their opinion. This was my opinion. And in my opinion, Karlsson gets blown by way too easily. We've even seen it on occassion where he will fall down as the opposing player catches him flat footed. All I'm saying is that his defensive game needs some more work.

Just my opinion.

Cheers. It was an entertaining game.
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-1 #185 Engin 2011-12-07 22:06
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
I knew we'd get one on the PP. You know why? We had the right personnel out there. In other words, no Butler. Awesome goal by MM9!


Take no offense but you do realize that Butler was the one who drew the hooking penalty that lead to the Poweplay. Also he played a role along with Greening on Foligno's goal by battling in front of the net and tied up his d-man to give Foligno time and space to score.

Butler my not have scored tonight and had 2 shots. He did the little things that resulted in 2 goals something Filatov has failed to do on a game to game basis.
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+3 #186 senskarlsson57 2011-12-07 22:07
^^^
vented...now my thoughts on the game:

-Sit Butler: It is painfully obvious he is not ready for top 6 minutes...so stop putting him up there. Did you see the difference when the line is BB16- Spezza- Greening VS. MM9-Spezza-Gree ning...huge difference! Get that line that worked so well together BACK together. To be honest idk why they were ever split up...? It was a perfect line: Scorer-Playmake r- Someone who can create space (can also finish too)

-Holy crap, Nick Foligno! His patience is unbelievable :D I love how he lets everyone tumble in the crease while he calmly puts it in the net! I honestly think he could be our answer to 2nd line C...look out for a breakout seson from him!

-The second line: Alfie and Foligno are perfect on there... Now just try filatov on that line


Anyways, exciting game...go sens go!
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+2 #187 Andrews Theory 2011-12-07 22:11
Quoting Mike Bauer:
Tough game.

2 things I noticed.

1/ Im tired of Butler. He's a one dimensional player and really, Im starting to think he's a HEATLEY type player - can only really shoot. Bad skater, no strength, not gritty, no moves. I'd like to see Filatov a bit more before we all write him off.

2/ For the first time, I questioned Macleans coaching decisions on that 4 on 4. I really think thats a MAJOR mismatch and it cost us. Add that to Karlsson on there, who has played well vs Ovechkin, but you need a bit more experience on at that point.

...


yup...

I've liked what I've seen from Filatov, he's sure as shit more exciting to watch than Butler.
That 4 on 4 was a major mismatch of speed and skill up front
as for the D, he had limited options and it really was an incredible play by ovechkin.
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-1 #188 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-12-07 22:15
^ A play where Ovechkin made Karlsson look like a statue.

I don't care if it's Alexander Ovechkin. As good as he is, he's containable. 29 teams have been able to shut him down all year. Karlsson needs to be better defensively and not allow opposing players to completely blow by him so easily. I understand he's young and it's hard. But it does prove that he still needs more work in a one on one defensive situation.

By the way, nobody mentioned him, but Craig Anderson again was absolutely breathtaking. If it wasn't for Craig bailing us out,there would be no doubt that we would be a below .500 team. He was awesome in a lopsided shot-wise game.
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+6 #189 Sandy 2011-12-07 22:18
The Sens are still developing talent. McLean is putting them in positions to learn... some fail, some don't. It's all in the re-building process.

This team still has a lot of young players on it... don't you think they will make mistakes from time to time?

4 of the 6 D for the most part are very young and inexperienced.. . give them a break.

A little note to Mr. Ovechkin.... start taking a clean hard hit as a man..... that spear was a cheapshot and you should have had at least a double minor or a 5 min major. Players have been kicked out of the game for much less than that.

But we all know it won't be looked at... nothing ever is when it's the Sens on the receiving end of a cheapshot.
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+1 #190 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-07 22:43
Some of you guys get WAY to worked up about this team. You should be so happy that we are still in the hunt for a playoff spot, in a year when we were written off as a team in contention for the first overall pick.

We are 13-12-3, and tied for 6th overall in GOALS FOR! Yes, our defensive work and goals against isn't that hot, but we already knew that coming into the season. We are in Year 1 of a mini-rebuild, and some of you should just enjoy it while it lasts...

because I'm telling you, it might not last all season. Then we'll see some real bitching.
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+2 #191 N8ball85 2011-12-07 22:55
So what's the line on filatov getting a shot tomorrow ?? 5 to 1 ?? Enough with the butler spezza greening shit line !!
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+2 #192 SensChirp 2011-12-07 22:58
Think this is one of those nights where I will hold off a on a post game blog until tomorrow. They say you should never go to bed angry but that's not true when the alternative is blogging angry haha.
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+1 #193 Lambchops 2011-12-07 23:06
everyone go on TSN.ca, watch the highlights and listen to what that stupid ass sorry excuse for a tv analyst, Craig Button, says about Neil after the spear. "He should have gotten it for diving... ACTOR"

What a peice of Shit.

BTW how sick is Nicky FLings?!?!?!
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+2 #194 SensChirp 2011-12-07 23:15
Quoting Lambchops:
everyone go on TSN.ca, watch the highlights and listen to what that stupid ass sorry excuse for a tv analyst, Craig Button, says about Neil after the spear. "He should have gotten it for diving... ACTOR"


Just watched it. Another reason why I'll hold off on blogging tonight haha.
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+2 #195 Mike Bauer 2011-12-07 23:21
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Quoting TyrantRoarrrrr:
"His backcheck and lateral skating is one of the worst I've ever seen."

Seriously? You should get tested because you're probably clinically retarded to be saying that about Karlsson. He's one of the best skaters in the NHL and regularly catches opposing forwards on the back-check with ease. Don't quit your day job idiot.


I understand your frustration. However, I do not see the need to call me an idiot. This is a Senators-friendly blog where people express their opinion. This was my opinion. And in my opinion, Karlsson gets blown by way too easily.

Just my opinion.

Cheers. It was an entertaining game.


Im not gonna call you an idiot, but he's right that he's one of the best skaters and Im not sure what you're watching. Its your opinion though...
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+1 #196 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-07 23:28
I'm going to state the obvious, and many of you have said it, but it will clense my soul by writing it myself...

How does Neil get two for diving on that spear?

Here's the funny part, and all you need to know about NHL discipline (aka Wheel of Justice): They have a better chance at suspending the retard ref, then getting Ovechkin suspended. Obviously, neither will happen.

Imagine if Tootoo spears Ovechkin! Hell, imagine if Neil spears Ovechkin, or even wrose Crosby. What would the league wide reaction be?
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+1 #197 Erkki 2011-12-08 00:07
I think it might have had to do with Niel looking right at the ref as he went down. I'm not saying he dove, cause I definitely don't think he did, but that might have been a factor in the refs decision.
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+1 #198 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-08 01:29
Quoting Erkki:
I think it might have had to do with Niel looking right at the ref as he went down. I'm not saying he dove, cause I definitely don't think he did, but that might have been a factor in the refs decision.


Give me a break. Neil's face was in agony, and his eyes were closed. His head turning the side was a natural reaction to being speared in the gut/groin.

I suggest anyone that think's Neil was peaking over at the ref, look at the video replay a bit more. Assumptions can only achieve one thing, and that is to make an ass out of you...

in this case, the Ref.
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+1 #199 TyrantRoarrrrr 2011-12-08 02:27
The spear on Neil was a missed call but the ref clearly gave Ottawa an intentional makeup call. That one handed tap with no pulling motion sure wasn't a hook worthy of a two-man advantage for Ottawa. It goes both ways. If you really think officials are intentionally biased on a regular basis I suggest you read Kerry Fraser's weekly column on TSN. It gives you a real appreciation for how difficult the job is. The fact of the matter is the game moves too fast and refs have to make split second decisions and thus mistakes are going to happen, and often.
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+2 #200 TyrantRoarrrrr 2011-12-08 02:33
Oh and to the guy getting all sad because I called him an idiot for suggesting Karlsson can't skate laterally... too bad. If you spout off that kind of garbage you're going to take some flak for it. I'm not the type of fan who will sit there and listen to idiots spout garbage about the best players on the team. I prefer to defend them when its justified. Karlsson is one of the best skaters in the league and that's a fact not an opinion. When your opinion is stupid I have no problem telling you so.
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-2 #201 Eric2 2011-12-08 02:38
Chirp, what happened to the post game blogs?
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-1 #202 SensChirp 2011-12-08 07:39
Quoting Eric2:
Chirp, what happened to the post game blogs?

Hey Eric,

Took a night off. Will have a little post game wrap up this morning plus some information on today's Hunt4Chirp Contest! The game highlights are up under the video tab on the home page.
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-2 #203 Tookie 2011-12-08 08:50
Quoting TyrantRoarrrrr:
The spear on Neil was a missed call but the ref clearly gave Ottawa an intentional makeup call. That one handed tap with no pulling motion sure wasn't a hook worthy of a two-man advantage for Ottawa. It goes both ways. If you really think officials are intentionally biased on a regular basis I suggest you read Kerry Fraser's weekly column on TSN. It gives you a real appreciation for how difficult the job is. The fact of the matter is the game moves too fast and refs have to make split second decisions and thus mistakes are going to happen, and often.


^This^

I try not to post after loses as people will just be morons and jump on me but my God, some of you are worse than me!!! lol
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-2 #204 Tookie 2011-12-08 08:57
Quoting John Q. Spartan:

Give me a break. Neil's face was in agony, and his eyes were closed. His head turning the side was a natural reaction to being speared in the gut/groin.


Neil did embellish it, did you forget he takes punches to the face for a living? Dont think for 1 second he didnt want Ovie off for the match or atleast a 4 minute. Was it a penalty, hell yes, dirty play by Ovie but lets face it here, Neil didnt get shot, although it looked like he did.

For the record Ovie should of had a penalty not Neil.
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-2 #205 Tookie 2011-12-08 09:00
Quoting John Q. Spartan:

Here's the funny part, and all you need to know about NHL discipline (aka Wheel of Justice): They have a better chance at suspending the retard ref, then getting Ovechkin suspended. Obviously, neither will happen.


Ovie was suspended twice last year I believe, sooo whats your point?
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0 #206 Tookie 2011-12-08 09:07
Quoting TyrantRoarrrrr:
"His backcheck and lateral skating is one of the worst I've ever seen."

Seriously? You should get tested because you're probably clinically retarded to be saying that about Karlsson. He's one of the best skaters in the NHL and regularly catches opposing forwards on the back-check with ease. Don't quit your day job idiot.



Yes that was a bad analogy by jasonontheoldse nschirp, KArlsson is a great skater, nobody can argue that. I think what he was trying to say is he is horrible defensively, I mean how many times did Anderson bail him out from players easily blowing by him down the wing, atleast 3-4 times this game alone.

Great offensive defenceman, not so great defensive defenceman, but most of us already know that.
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-1 #207 boom 2011-12-08 09:12
Off-topic, I realize, but last night was a brutal effort by our so called best players. Karlsson was bad, but I can live with it from a still young player.
Spezza and Gonchar were pathetic. I have never liked Gonchar so nothing he does really surprises me. I really think he's afraid to sweat!
I have (almost) always defended Spezza, but my problem with him, in a nutshell, is that he has no sense of "time" or "location". He'll make the same risky move, when leading by a goal in the last minute of a one-goal game and in his own zone, as he would in the offensive zone when trailing by a goal.
Does anyone else see this? I can't be the only one who questions his hockey sense?
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0 #208 Tookie 2011-12-08 09:18
Quoting boom:
I have (almost) always defended Spezza, but my problem with him, in a nutshell, is that he has no sense of "time" or "location". He'll make the same risky move, when leading by a goal in the last minute of a one-goal game and in his own zone, as he would in the offensive zone when trailing by a goal.
Does anyone else see this? I can't be the only one who questions his hockey sense?


Sure have, he's done it his whole career, nothing new here, he will keep doing it as it works more often than not. When his turnovers cost the team more loses than wins, Maclean will let him know...
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0 #209 Alcatraz 2011-12-08 09:20
ok Neil did embellish a little. Everyone would, its natural especially around that "area".

Ever come close to getting sacked in soccer, or basketball or any sport, initial reaction is to drop, regardless if it hurt at first. Common Nature. You embellish, not to get something out of it, but when it comes to that area you always over compensate and think the worst.

The ref 100% called the dive on the fact he "thought" Neil looked at him on his way down. Regardless if he did or not thats what the ref saw.

Ovie isn't a dirty player, im fine with that stick work on neil, it happens all the time, this was a matter of bad location for Ovie. Probably should have been a double minor. But its not the first time someone receives a hit on the way back up gives a jab or slash with their stick. Watch our guys, we do it all the time, everyone does

No suspension for sure nor would I want one. double minor should have been it
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0 #210 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-08 14:08
Rule 62 - Spearing

62.1 Spearing - Spearing shall mean stabbing an opponent with the point of the stick blade, whether contact is made or not.

62.2 Double-minor Penalty - A double-minor penalty will be imposed on a player who spears an opponent and does not make contact.

62.3 Major Penalty - A major penalty shall be imposed on a player who spears an opponent (see 62.5).

62.4 Match Penalty - A match penalty shall be imposed on a player who injures an opponent as a result of a spear.

62.5 Game Misconduct Penalty - Whenever a major penalty is assessed for spearing, a game misconduct penalty must also be imposed.

62.6 Fines and Suspensions - There are no specified fines or suspensions for spearing, however, supplementary discipline can be applied by the Commissioner at his discretion (refer to Rule 28).
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