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20th Anniversary Series- Most Underrated Player

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First of all, thanks to all of you that took the time to leave your response in yesterday’s comment section. 

With the Ottawa Senators celebrating their Twentieth season in the NHL, I thought it might be fun to do some reflection on years passed.  Using your votes, I have come up with the reader's choice in eight categories.

Most Underrated/Most Overrated player, Most Heart, Toughest, Most Entertaining, All-Time Favourite, Worst Sens Memory and Best Sens Memory. Over the next little while, I’ll be posting the results in each of the categories.

Up first…Most Underrated Ottawa Senator of the last 20 years.

This was probably the category with the most variety in the responses.  The answers that were submitted varied from current Sens to old and included a mix of grinders, offence stars, goalies and defenceman.

But in the end, the winner was forward Chris Kelly, with 20 % of the vote.

Hard to argue with this one.  Kelly was a heart and soul player for this team that always had a way of elevating his play when the game was on the line.  Reliable in all three zones, Chris Kelly was the type of guy you could trust with the game on the line.  Kelly is with the Bruins now but it’s clear the impression he left on fans in this city remains.

Honourable mention to Radek Bonk (10%), Antoine Vermette (10%) and Patrick Lalime (9%). 

The complete list of players receiving votes can be found below.

MOST UNDERRATED (59 votes)
Chris Kelly- 12
Radek Bonk- 6
Antoine Vermette- 6
Patrick Lalime- 5
Chris Phillips- 3
Magnus Arvedsson- 3
Martin Havlat- 3
Ray Emery- 3
Anton Volchenkov- 2
Jason Spezza- 2
Nick Foligno- 2
Ron Tugnutt- 2
Shawn McEachern-1
Shean Donovan-1
Todd White-1
Zdeno Chara-1
Alexandre Daigle- 1
Peter Schaefer- 1
Christoph Schubert- 1
Daniel Alfredsson- 1
Filip Kuba- 1
Bryan Murray- 1
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After a hard fought win in Edmonton last night, the Sens traveled to Vancouver ahead of their Sunday night tilt with the Vancouver Canucks.  Paul MacLean gave his players the day off and they are expected to return to the practice ice tomorrow at 1:00 PM Pacific time.

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+3 #1 Alcatraz 2011-11-18 13:09
Its fun to see the wide variety of votes and it really made me second guess my pick of Lalime. certainly forgot about even mentioning some of these players which clearly shows how underrated they were

I like the arvedson selection. I remember that guy would get like a breakaway every 2nd game he played on the PK lights out quick, if only he could finish

Other nomination I really liked was Shean Donovan, that man would do anything ever asked. He reminded me of someone else who now I wish I would have voted for in Shaun van Allen

I still remember van Allen lighting it up with havlat! Anyways great blog topic Chirp!
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+3 #2 GoSensGo 2011-11-18 13:23
Most underated player: Anton Volchenkov...as k Chris Phillips
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+1 #3 glinskiii 2011-11-18 13:29
How Brad Marsh didn't get a single vote baffles me. Last man without a helmet in the NHL? MARSHY'S? Now those are some intangibles!
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+5 #4 The Apostle 2011-11-18 13:32
The first sens game I ever saw was in 2003 and I only moved to Canada in 2008 so my knowledge of the sens past is not extensive. Therefore it's only right I limit my responses to players I have actually seen.

My vote for most underrated player, although I have taken this to mean under appreciated as well is: Jason Spezza.

He's a PPG player. A true No1 centre for this team and gets ripped whenever the opportunity arises. Since I've been a fan he has always been the go to guy to slam whenever anything goes wrong.
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+8 #5 Sensnation 2011-11-18 13:34
Quoting GoSensGo:
Most underated player: Anton Volchenkov...ask Chris Phillips


If we had paid the money he asked for I'm sure he'd be in the overrated category right now. Sometimes best to leave on a happy note.
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+3 #6 Sensnation 2011-11-18 13:37
Quoting glinskiii:
How Brad Marsh didn't get a single vote baffles me. Last man without a helmet in the NHL? MARSHY'S? Now those are some intangibles!


I'm pretty sure Craig MacTavish was the last guy without a helmet.
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0 #7 DenisVial 2011-11-18 13:44
Van Hammer was awesome when he dropped the gloves. Pound for pound he was one tough SOB!
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+2 #8 SensFanDan 2011-11-18 14:29
I have no idea why anyone would vote for Daigle as most underrater player....I mean he ended his NHL career as an incredible -176

Doesn't sound underrated to me...
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-1 #9 Prusek 2011-11-18 14:29
Quoting GoSensGo:
Most underated player: Anton Volchenkov...ask Chris Phillips


Ask Wade Redden... Redden's demise was when Chara left Volchenkov went to play with Phillips. Redden and Mesauros never worked out as well as Redden and Volchenkov.
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+1 #10 superjer 2011-11-18 14:33
Who voted for Daigle?? He will be the most OVERRATED!
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-2 #11 TyrantRoarrrrr 2011-11-18 14:34
If 12 people voted for Kelly doesn't that mean he was clearly appreciated rather than underrated?

I think the voters are confusing the meaning of underrated with good but not a star player. Kelly was much appreciated for his role during his time in Ottawa by coaches, teammates, and fans.

My vote for example is logical. Daigle is hated by the Ottawa fan base for not becoming a star player. Yet he played 616 NHL games in his career and put up 327 points. His career was criminally underrated because he wasn't what fans expected him to be.
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-1 #12 Sensnation 2011-11-18 14:35
It's funny that so many of you rate Daigle overrated but are fine with Bonk as underrated. They were both high 1st round picks and have almost identical points per game ratios. Neither became the superstar that was hoped, but both were productive NHL players.
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0 #13 TyrantRoarrrrr 2011-11-18 14:41
The definition of underrated to me = Player who is disproportional ly viewed as having contributed less than he actually does.

I think Kelly is actually one of the worst possible examples. He's greatly appreciated by Ottawa fans for what he did here, the 12 votes more than prove that.

Daigle was overrated as a prospect. He didn't become what he was supposed to. However a guy who played 616 NHL games and put up half-a-point a game is hardly the "bust" people constantly accuse him of being. He is disproportionat ely viewed as being much worse than he actually was because of where he was drafted.
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+2 #14 MethotToMyMadness 2011-11-18 15:04
Was reading up on the Carter thing, Don't think Ottawa would/should even consider it. Brassard would still be the better option. He's half the cost at 3 Mil, 2 years younger (closer to our rebuild age) and has a shorter contract if we decided we didn't want to continue.

Carter is a 1st line C for sure, would easily make our 2nd line a dynamo, but if he is asking to be traded we don't need that type of player on our team right now, not again. Plus, the asking price would be stupid ridiculous, which would include a 1st round pick +, which we are not going to give away.
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+1 #15 Canucnik 2011-11-18 15:05
Brooks Laich, Bingo 1 season/SENs 1 game, a throw in for Peter Bondra now that's what I call under rated by our STAFF , who have all been moved on now...

Mistakes like that leave you in the middle of the pack...Example, Tranna...
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-1 #16 Alcatraz 2011-11-18 15:08
Quoting Canucnik:
Brooks Laich, Bingo 1 season/SENs 1 game, a throw in for Peter Bondra now that's what I call under rated by our STAFF , who have all been moved on now...

Mistakes like that leave you in the middle of the pack...Example, Tranna...


If we had laich we never would have had fisher and kelly develop they did and fetch us what they did. Hindsight is 20/20 of course but at the time I remember how pumped I was to have Peter Bondra
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0 #17 MethotToMyMadness 2011-11-18 15:09
Oh man, I just thought of this. In that deal last year Philly traded away Jeff Carter to the Columbus Blue Jackets for Jakub Voracek, a first-round draft pick and third-round draft pick. Does anyone know what year those picks are for?

Considering where Columbus is right now, if those picks are for this year, Philly could be making out VERY well. CBJ is dead last with 8 points, that pick goes right into Philly's pocket. Who do you think they have in mind??
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+3 #18 CohMa 2011-11-18 15:15
Quoting madpajamma:
Oh man, I just thought of this. In that deal last year Philly traded away Jeff Carter to the Columbus Blue Jackets for Jakub Voracek, a first-round draft pick and third-round draft pick. Does anyone know what year those picks are for?

Considering where Columbus is right now, if those picks are for this year, Philly could be making out VERY well. CBJ is dead last with 8 points, that pick goes right into Philly's pocket. Who do you think they have in mind??


I don't know about the 3rd, but the 1st rounder was the one the Flyers used to select Couturier
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0 #19 senskarlsson57 2011-11-18 15:52
Only saw the highlights of last nights game, but seems like the sens played a good game :D

Funny, they've spent 3-5 years rebuilding their team, and we spent 2-3 weeks rebuilding ours yet we are still further in the rebuilding process! :P

GO SENS GO!
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+2 #20 Kratos83 2011-11-18 15:56
like how the oilers blogger over on HB is still claiming the refs cost them the game last night...he claims himself was homeristic, but still not giving the Sens any credit and dismissing a lot of comments from Sens fans calling him out...what a douche.
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+2 #21 Alcatraz 2011-11-18 16:06
Quoting Kratos71:
like how the oilers blogger over on HB is still claiming the refs cost them the game last night...he claims himself was homeristic, but still not giving the Sens any credit and dismissing a lot of comments from Sens fans calling him out...what a douche.


whatever makes him sleep at night. I didn't realize it was a ref that let in 3 goals high glove on 7 shots?
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0 #22 Kratos83 2011-11-18 16:10
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Kratos71:
like how the oilers blogger over on HB is still claiming the refs cost them the game last night...he claims himself was homeristic, but still not giving the Sens any credit and dismissing a lot of comments from Sens fans calling him out...what a douche.


whatever makes him sleep at night. I didn't realize it was a ref that let in 3 goals high glove on 7 shots?


seems to be his logic, meh, whatever, that is what is nice about Chirp...if we play like crap..that is what his analysis, yeah, we blew that one, this could have been better...not... well the refs made our defense turnover the puck x amount of times in the neutral zone.
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0 #23 andreasdackell 2011-11-18 16:26
changing the subject to the allstar game... I read somewhere telling people not to waist their votes on alfie becuase there is a good chance he will be one of the team captains. Im just wondering if both captains have to be from different conferences? Being the sens 20th anniversary, and having the game in Ottawa, wouldnt it be wicked if Phil Kessel (who is currently first in goals and got drafted last in last years allstar game)be named the captain of the other team against alfie? Sure would be a good way to create some buzz for the game.
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0 #24 Sandy 2011-11-18 16:32
A bit off topic... but what do you think the Sens will do come trade deadline -- if they are in a fight for a playoff spot? Will they still consider the re-build and trade for picks?

Also what does happen when Carkner comes back... that is 2 extra D and once Neil comes back and then Regin.. don't they go over the 23 man roster they are allowed to keep? Something has to give.
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0 #25 Sensnation 2011-11-18 16:36
Quoting andreasdackell:
changing the subject to the allstar game... I read somewhere telling people not to waist their votes on alfie becuase there is a good chance he will be one of the team captains. Im just wondering if both captains have to be from different conferences? Being the sens 20th anniversary, and having the game in Ottawa, wouldnt it be wicked if Phil Kessel (who is currently first in goals and got drafted last in last years allstar game)be named the captain of the other team against alfie? Sure would be a good way to create some buzz for the game.


Kessel is wayyy too young to be an All-Star captain in my opinion. I liked the Selanne idea someone suggested the other day though.
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+1 #26 Canucnik 2011-11-18 17:16
AL:

It at the time, just like you didn't know Bondra was "done", some of our "Brain Trust" should have put greater value on Brooks.

How about Laich/2nd center; Fisher/3rd center, Kelly/4th center; ya coulda had 'em all!
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+3 #27 ZeddyP 2011-11-18 17:16
Quoting TyrantRoarrrrr:
The definition of underrated to me = Player who is disproportionally viewed as having contributed less than he actually does.

I think Kelly is actually one of the worst possible examples. He's greatly appreciated by Ottawa fans for what he did here, the 12 votes more than prove that.

Daigle was overrated as a prospect. He didn't become what he was supposed to. However a guy who played 616 NHL games and put up half-a-point a game is hardly the "bust" people constantly accuse him of being. He is disproportionately viewed as being much worse than he actually was because of where he was drafted.


ERROR 404: LOGIC NOT FOUND.....
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+2 #28 Hax 2011-11-18 18:38
Quoting Sandy:
A bit off topic... but what do you think the Sens will do come trade deadline -- if they are in a fight for a playoff spot? Will they still consider the re-build and trade for picks?


I will be very, very upset if we don't continue to move out expiring/unwant ed contracts for prospects and picks. I don't care if we're first overall we should not be "stocking up for a run" this year. IF we manage to be in the hunt this year it only means we're that much more likely to be in the hunt for the next several years with the young guys we have - don't trade any of them away for rentals.
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+2 #29 Frootmig 2011-11-18 19:10
Was hoping for a Darcy "Buzzsaw" Loewen pick
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+1 #30 Dorkiewicz 2011-11-18 20:16
My gut always says Kelly when most underrated Sen comes up.

The more I think about it, the more I'd have to go with Arvedsson. Kelly might be better but Arvedsson was less-recognized and extremely consistent/stro ng/defensive/re liable etc.
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0 #31 beadler01 2011-11-18 20:37
It's gonna be team lindstrom vs team alfredsson for the alllstar game. Hope alfie picks karlsson before lindstrom does lol . Have alfie pick kessel to piss off the laffs fans!!
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+1 #32 Alcatraz 2011-11-18 21:02
Quoting beadler01:
It's gonna be team lindstrom vs team alfredsson for the alllstar game. Hope alfie picks karlsson before lindstrom does lol . Have alfie pick kessel to piss off the laffs fans!!


That's the last thing I want cause then when alfie wins and get game MVP all the leafs fans will say it's cause he drafted kessle think ahead!!!
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+2 #33 timwrx 2011-11-18 21:49
B-Sens up 4-2. Filatov 2 goals and an assist. Riley Armstrong was just picked up and has 1-1. Parrish with 3 assists.

With Daugs/Wincheste r/Konopka scoring and Butler doing better Filatov realized he had to actually work IMO...
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0 #34 Sandy 2011-11-18 22:02
Quoting timwrx:
B-Sens up 4-2. Filatov 2 goals and an assist. Riley Armstrong was just picked up and has 1-1. Parrish with 3 assists.

With Daugs/Winchester/Konopka scoring and Butler doing better Filatov realized he had to actually work IMO...



Good to hear they are winning. Is Lehner out with that knee injury? Who is Riley Armstrong?
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+1 #35 timwrx 2011-11-18 22:05
Lehner is out. Riley is Colby's younger brother. He spent many years in the Sharks system. He is a vet 400 AHL games, kinda presence the wipper snappers need.
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0 #36 Sandy 2011-11-18 22:19
Quoting timwrx:
Lehner is out. Riley is Colby's younger brother. He spent many years in the Sharks system. He is a vet 400 AHL games, kinda presence the wipper snappers need.


Great pickup then... Did Kleinendorst find him? Seems to have worked...
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0 #37 timwrx 2011-11-18 22:32
He was actually in Elmira, and just about to head back to Europe to play but jumped at the chance to be back in the A....
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+1 #38 N8ball85 2011-11-18 23:13
Gotta love filatov leading the way tonight! Back to Russia my ass back to Ottawa more like it !!
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0 #39 111519 2011-11-18 23:46
what happened to Neil?
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+1 #40 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-11-19 00:11
Fliatov was a beast tonight ...He deserves a real shot ..!!!
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0 #41 57gord 2011-11-19 00:58
Filatov may do well(as many others) with just one year contracts. Gotta keep 'em hungry! Great to see he had a great game though. Wish him (us) well!!!
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0 #42 miguel 2011-11-19 09:15
Quoting Sensnation:
It's funny that so many of you rate Daigle overrated but are fine with Bonk as underrated. They were both high 1st round picks and have almost identical points per game ratios. Neither became the superstar that was hoped, but both were productive NHL players.

my sentiments exactly,
he was a top 3 I believe, that played with great players, and was really the third wheel on most of his lines,
I think he should have been in the overrated category.
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0 #43 miguel 2011-11-19 09:17
Quoting Canucnik:
Brooks Laich, Bingo 1 season/SENs 1 game, a throw in for Peter Bondra now that's what I call under rated by our STAFF , who have all been moved on now...

Mistakes like that leave you in the middle of the pack...Example, Tranna...

another example was Pavel Demitra
we may have another in Filatov...hope he gets his chance here
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0 #44 SensChirp 2011-11-19 10:33
Quoting 111519:
what happened to Neil?

High ankle sprain. On the injured reserve and no timetable for a return.
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0 #45 ZeddyP 2011-11-19 11:08
Quoting beadler01:
It's gonna be team lindstrom vs team alfredsson for the alllstar game. Hope alfie picks karlsson before lindstrom does lol . Have alfie pick kessel to piss off the laffs fans!!


nah lets hope kessel gets picked last again like last year...that moment of ovechkin phone filming him made me weekend lolololol
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0 #46 akr71 2011-11-19 11:10
Quoting TyrantRoarrrrr:
The definition of underrated to me = Player who is disproportionally viewed as having contributed less than he actually does.

I think Kelly is actually one of the worst possible examples. He's greatly appreciated by Ottawa fans for what he did here, the 12 votes more than prove that.

Daigle was overrated as a prospect. He didn't become what he was supposed to. However a guy who played 616 NHL games and put up half-a-point a game is hardly the "bust" people constantly accuse him of being. He is disproportionately viewed as being much worse than he actually was because of where he was drafted.

The definition of underrated to the rest of the world is "To rate too low; underestimate." http://www.thefreedictionary.com/underrated
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