The Senators were playing their third game in four nights and never seemed to find their skating legs in this one. They were able to draw even briefly in the third but just couldn't handle the Bruins attack, who eventually pulled away for a 5-3 victory.
This was a game the Bruins had to win and their effort level showed just how important the W was for them. Boston was relentless on the forecheck from the drop of the puck and forced Ottawa into consistent turnovers in all three zones. Anderson did his best to keep the Sens in this game but the shot count of 41-26 was too much for Anderson to withstand.
While the top line struggled, the good news for the Sens came in the form of some secondary scoring. Ottawa got goals from Foligno (3 point night), Da Costa (2 points), and Cowen (his first in the NHL) that helped keep the Senators in this game.
The loss snaps Ottawa's six game winning streak.
This really was an impressive run for an Ottawa team that nobody expected much from heading into this year. To win six straight, in the fashion that they did, is nothing short of astounding. With that said, they now have to find a way to bounce back heading into a weekend where they play back to back games on home ice against divisional opponents.
The couple days off between games come at a good time for an Ottawa team that definitely showed signs of fatigue against the Bruins.
The Montreal Canadiens are in town on Friday night.
- In the first intermission of the Canucks and Flames game, the TSN Panel discussed the future of Coyotes holdout Kyle Turris. It should not come as a huge surprise considering the hole at second line centre but Bob McKenzie and Pierre LeBrun indicated the Sens have significant interest in Turris. Will try to do a little digging on this tomorrow to see if I can come up with anything.
Keep it up boys
LOL Da Costa....he has like 4 points in 13 games, not even close to Calder worthy...
Play nice Tookie :) I know you have been waiting for this loss so you could wreak havoc on this comment section but I don't want it to be all back and forth between you and other posters.
At the end of the day, we are still in a playoff position aand I am still a diehard sens fan for life!
GO SENS GO!
Sens want him, and I think Murray will get him, especially if they keep playing well.
In all, I wonder how many experts are now thinking that year sits on two people:
1) Cory clouston.
2) Brian Elliott.
I am willing to cut Elliott some slack. He was a backup thrown into a starting role. I guess it still is a mark against him (and can't handle pressure, change, etc). Stache's performance is making clouston out to be the main reason why we sucked last year. Not a big fan of throwing clouston under the bus, but I think there is a reason why , to a man, the sens are playing much better hockey.
The question is: Can the Sens bounce back next game? I think they can. I credit the coaching for bringing out the best in this team.
Don't tease us chirp... If Murray is able to steal Turris that would be huge. Yes he's unproven but he has loads of potential.
Because our team has such a young makeup, we will slow down at the 25-30 game mark. But even when that happens, the team will compete to win and never give up until the final whistle. And that's the way it should be.
The most important thing in a rebuild as extensive as ours is cultivating a winning atmosphere even if our roster doesn't have many marquee names. Throwing games gets us nothing.
Lee for Turris, make it happen Murray!
Greening is currently ahead of Landeskog (although Lando has played 2 fewer games). The defensive liabilities are what is working against any Sen truly having a chance at the award.
I dont think that package will be enough to land him especially given that they are likely to get offers from Calgary and a couple of other teams and they really dont want to trade him.
IMO they are going to want a proven right winger and a ctr with potential.
he'd likely look awfully nice in a sens jersey! picture Spezza, Turris, Zibanejad and Smith down the middle....
that really depends on whether an offensive player distinguishes themselves...Ba rret Jackman won it over Nash and Zetterberg and he was really more of a stay at home defenseman....
Realistically, the only player on our roster with a legit shot at the calder is Rundblad if
1) he continues to improve at a dramatic rate
2) he ends up on the first pp due to injury or performance issues w karlsson or gonchar
watched that too. they said Sens and Flames had most interest. Ottawa would be able to put a package of young players/prospec ts more easily than Calgary.
I'd package any of Lee, Butler, Regin, O'Brien, Weircioch, DaCosta
I like Lee, but it seems he's expendable. Personally I don't think Butler and DaCosta fit into the top 6 (DaCosta becomes expendable if Turris is brought in, since they already have Zbad) and Silfverberg will make the team next year too.
Greening Speeza Michalek
Puempel Turris Filatov
Silverberg Zibby Alfredsson
Folingo Smith Neil
You have to be insane to give 3 players for 1 of Turris,
who has a lousy few goals in his career so far ???
I also responded to your negative comment re Spezza on post #214 in previous topic !
I'm starting to doubt Filatov is going to be around next year. He usually looks decent with the puck but he never seems to get anything done.
I know he has been riding the fourth line in his call up, but he wasn't earlier in the season and in the preseason.
I feel like Foligno has got to be involved in any Turris deal. He has been playing decent. Sell high.
I also feel like Puempel has another year or two or three to spend learning.
You have to be insane to give 3 players for 1 of Turris,
who has a lousy few goals in his career so far ???
Sorry wasnt 3 for 1 i forgot too put the "OR" in between ..thanks for pointing that out
And as far as you being upset with "Negative" Spezza comment deal with it I wasnt talking about how he played during the winning streak I was talking about tonight ......Spezza is not elite people here call him elite I dont think he will or ever will be elite ..he is PPG player that benefited from playing with top end players ..Alfredsson Heatley Hossa Havlat etc gimme a break .
Exactly, well said AFM11 :)
This team follows Jason's lead and he's gotta be more "present" at each moment of his shifts.
Seriously?? And people get on Tookie's case for his comments...
Who pee'd in your beer surfer?
One game and you are ready to throw players under a bus...that too a ppg player.. a ppg player who has earned his points this season without Heatley, Havlat, Hossa..and minimally with Alfie...
All credit goes to Boston tonight...Spezz a's line looked bad cause whoever Boston had against them did their job and did it right....
Surfer tis sens fans like you that make us look bad...
No thanks. If it takes an offer that good for an 11 goal guy on a hold out, they can keep him. Any offer that "blows them away" would mean one of our highly thought of young guys going the other way. Turris is still highly thought of, so it would be a highly thought of guy for a highly thought of guy. Difference is, their guy is on a hold out and is showing red flags as "bust". Unless it's for cheap, no thanks.
He's second in the league in points and you're going to rip on him for one pointless game? Even he most elite player in history, the Great One, went scoreless. Not saying Spezza is in the same ball park as the Great One, but it was one game and he wasn't useless. You're on an island with this one man, he's been solid on year and anyone with any brains knows that.
You are both wrong regarding the Calder.
As mentioned above, Barret Jackman 02-03 Calder winner and definitely not an offensive dman. Hell he's barely even seen the PP. Cowen could get votes if he played north of 22mins a night, finished with a great +/- and managed to rack up over 20pts. I think there will be better players this year, but given the precedent it's not at all impossible and DFDs do get votes when they put up a really good year.
With respect to Da Costa, who just recently took over the 2nd line C role, it's way too early to predict how much success a rookie is going to have the rest of the year.
It would be nice if for 1 loss this year you find a way to give up with the Doomsday BS Tookie or better yet start your own blog for the Negative Nancys. A skirt would suit you. :)
For Turris offer/sell off the expendables. Ya got 3 NHL defencemen, counting one in Binghamtom. Let them pick and choose.
Sure loved the way Lehner played against the Leafs. I think he deserves another start sooner rather than later.
The rest over the next few days sure will help as well.
Anyone know when Alfie could be making his return?
who has a lousy few goals in his career so far ???
Sorry wasnt 3 for 1 i forgot too put the "OR" in between ..thanks for pointing that out
@SilverSurfer,
And as far as you being upset with "Negative" Spezza comment deal with it I wasnt talking about how he played during the winning streak I was talking about tonight ......Spezza is not elite people here call him elite I dont think he will or ever will be elite ..he is PPG player that benefited from playing with top end players .
Never said Spezza was an elite player in previous topic.
The reasons for our loss was that, our whole 1st line of Greening - Spezza - Michalek had a bad game, not just Spezza. We also had 3 Power Plays, and no goal scored
on PP.
Finally, this team is rebuilding, with many new players
most are rookies, and I so far am impressed, and they are doing their best.
Da Costa is not in the running for Calder. Great pick-up, great player...not gonna get Calder, be realistic. Runblad...maybe ...it'd be nice!
Drafting 28? I'm not going to let you get away with this one Tookie. I'll be calling you out all year on this one to show how much of a negative nancy you are. You don't always say stupid things, but when you do...man are the stupid!!! We won't be bottom 3. bottom 5, maybe...but the only way we are drafting 28 is if we win in the lottery.
Last night: Sens got man-handled by a bigger, better, hungrier team. No huge suprise, I was hoping for a W, but they are last year's champs vs our rookies. bounce back next game boys!!!
Go Sens Go!
I think when all is said and done assuming he stays healthy he will have around 35 to 50 goals by the end of the season, he is a man on a mission and has the talent.
Filatov (1990)
48 6 8 14 PPG = 0.292 = 23.94 pts/82 GP
Turris (1989)
131 19 27 46 PGG = 0.351 = 28.78 pts/82 GP
Not to say Turris can't develop into a very good player, and still has potential. But many people on this site are already on Filatov's case about him not producing/ won't ever produce at the nhl level.
However, they are putting up about the same numbers in the NHL (Turris has just been given more opportunities) and Turris is a full year older than Filatov. Take out last year for Turris and you get really similar numbers to Filatov - and at the exact same age.
Not only that, but he's a holdout.
So yes, it would be great to add Turris, but the price should be very low.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2011-11-01/power-rankings-oilers/51035282/1
12 up from 29 two weeks ago. that's a little more like it.
Very well said... Turris really has proved nothing, and is holding out... unless we get him for very little they can keep him...nuff said
I'm not looking on starting I hate Spezza campaign I'm only dumping on him cause last night was a night you need your top players too step up and he didnt plain and simple ..He is having a great year but if he wants too take his game to another level he has too bring the effort every night ..might not score or put up points but he has to have a presence!!
bang on!!!
you are wrong...Spezza was NOT why we lost!
Of course not.
Was it a gem, no, but consider the facts going in.
Boston, last years SC Champs have their backs up against the wall, unlike in some cities, Beantown is already starting to crap on them, so they are feeling the pressure.
They played this like it was a playoff game, with plenty to lose, so we knew they would be fiesty.
Here is my concern, our D-men (vets epecially) are way to soft in our own end, we start to run around and cannot get out, leaving Anderson with very hard stops and rebounds.
What worries me is that the word will get out, that all you have to do is forecheck hard, hit their d-men and they will buckle.
Kuba, Gonchar, Phillips have been playing better lately, but those old bad habits came back in spades yesterday.
They cannot be afraid to take a hit to make a play, and yesterday they were. IMO of course
This is especially true for Karlsson right now, he's plasying a lot better defensively right now which is great, but he plays with his stick and not his body. If he was stronger he could've pushed Lucic out of the crease but instead he tried to play his stick and Lucic scored a PP goal.
I like how our D are playing right now but they are probably the softest out there....
I'm one of those guys that expects ottawa to finish near the bottom. However, I'm absolutely thrilled for the team on that last run and truely think they deserved every good fortuned they worked for.
As long as they keep providing excitement and growth for the fans while sticking to the Stach's system, I couldn't be happier win or lose.
Here's to the start of back to back home wins.
Well he's not the only guy but he is one of them who didnt show up. The whole 1st line didnt show up. Our 2nd line did all of the hard work and got rewarded and got more time on the PP was 2nd line and Neiler...
Spezza, Michalek and Greening no where to be found.
With this rebuild, a new team shall emerge over the next couple years, and so will a fresh mindset/culture in the dressing room. Why should it just be the team that goes through a rebuild? That being said, I’m extending the following challenge to all of Sens Nation: let’s rebuild our own mindset and culture as fans.
The team isn’t on a one game losing streak; they’re 6-and-1 over the past seven games. Go Sens Go!
Yes they did not have a great gam but wrong to blame it on them.
Yes they were outplayed, by a hungrier team, and a team that was better than every other team in the NHL last year, and they are not far removed from that team last year.
They were hemmed in their zone for most of the game, Spezza had to literally go behind his own goal line deke out 2 players and pass it up, to get it out.
Unfortunately, our D-men were badly outhit, and beat to the puck so we could not get out of our own end,
that amigo is why we lost, not Spezza!
I too see the potential in Da Costa, great hands and great creativity,
give him some consistant linemates, and he will impress...Calde r may be a bit much, but a great rookie none the less
my two gripes:
1. why does karlsson play PK. the most ill-suited player in the league in a PK situation.
2. wish anderson could come back to his cerebral 40+shot form and win us some games.
to close it out....if mtl can beat boston two nights in a row...and not by fluke, then why can't we? alas, growing season with rookies plus 3rd game in 4 nights. Bruins had a two day rest too and plenty of time to prepare for this.
here's to two statement wins against MTL and BUF on fri. and sat. and PLZ NO KARLSSON ON PK.
Agreed. If I'm not mistaken, 4 points and a +3 in the four games since Zibanejad got sent back to Sweden. I think he deserves a shot ot staying at 2nd line centre.
Calder? Not so much...
you are wrong...Spezza was NOT why we lost!
Never said Spezza was the reason we lost... I said I was disappointed with his compete level and presence ...Take your time when your reading posts sound out the words Miguel maybe help you understand lol
Da Costa as good as RNH or Lando or even Greening....are you mental??
Come on Jakester, your smarter than that.
And I never said he wasnt any good, just not Calder good. He has no chance at winning the Calder, ZERO!
Never said Spezza was the reason we lost... I said I was disappointed with his compete level and presence ...Take your time when your reading posts sound out the words Miguel maybe help you understand lol
Silversurfer
I was responding to Tookie, and that he was wrong, but you were close,
spellout who I am responding to next time LOL
Silversurfer
I was responding to Tookie, and that he was wrong, but you were close,
spellout who I am responding to next time LOL
Well you where re-quoting my comments ...maybe you should for next time lol Make it easier for you LOL
we lost the game get over it.
look forward to Montreal and hope for a win.
We won against the Laughs, I would rather lose to the stanley cup champs than them any day so that in itself we should be happy about, just saying there are worse teams that could end our winning streak.
Turris if true is holding a gun to PHX to trade him, if he is cheap ok but another Heatley, no thanks.
I hope we trade lee soon, not a fan of outing him this long and I am not a big Lee fan.
I think we will likely see Lee back in the line up on Friday night.
What about Lehner ?
I think he will get one of the games this weekend, assuming Auld is still out.
YEs you should as your comment was not even responding to mine, I hadnt even posted anything yet on Spezza...you were responding to spezzerman not me, but nice try.
That is exactly why we couldn't beat em last night...they were pissed..
We did score three against Thomas...Taking into account past games in Boston..i think that is a hell of an accomplishment especially since it was the second line that got us on the board..Was a little surprised the stache dint meddle with the first line to spark it up ..Foli instead of Greening to make way for mickey and spezz..but i guess since him and DC were clicking it wasn't an option..
They weren't giving spez any space last night..heck spez wasn't giving himself any space last night..some times he needs to pass the puck to the sides than try to take the puck in through the center while having 3 guys on him..All things the stache will cover in the video room..
Despite being outplayed we stayed in the game for longer than expected..Kudos to the kids.
If that's the case, who will be sitting out?
Or will Senators dress 7 defencemen one more time??
While on the topic of Lee...I, for one, am still not impressed with Gonchar. I know he's doing well on the pp, but I have never seen anyone less willing to take a hit then him. He always leaves his partner, or a forward in a bad spot because he passes the puck away just to avoid a hit. He is totally gutless - please tell me someone else out there sees the same thing I do?
Does Turris' attitude remind anyone else here of Yashin?
SC you cant just say that and not give us who you think will sit??
If Lee is in then someone is sitting, Rundblad?
Yea I would assume Rundblad. Not his best game in Boston and a good opportunity to give him a chance to watch from above.
I dont care about all that crap, its superficial, all I care about is that he chose Ottawa for roster reasons and cant even crack the top 6 on a very much depleted top 6, took 2 injuries and a departing Z-bad for him to finally play top 6...Not impressed as of yet.
Greening, as much as I hate to admit it, impressed me with his chances and made good of them.
"Greening, as much as I hate to admit it, impressed me with his chances and made good of them."
Just curious - why do you "hate to admit it"
That Greening has impressed me.
Boston knew they had to shut that line down & with the lack of experienced depth throughout the rest of the lineup that was the way to go. Missing Alfie hurt last night.
Some of you go on picking apart the team after this loss like they were expected to contend for 1st overall or something.
It was 1 loss after a 6 game winning streak. A loss, by only 2 goals, against the SC champs who regardless where they are in the standings are still an elite team.
It just showed the Sens that they don't yet have it yet to compete with the elite teams.
They scored 3 goals against Thomas something they rarely do. They hung in there tied it in the 3rd but just could not match the Bruins.
The defense & PK needs a lot of work. They were shorthanded for 16 min of that game That's almost a full period. Way too many penalties.
...'cause he's a douche.
Seriously though. So many people vocally defending our 6 game streak, so few people criticizing it. All it took was a couple of "tookies" and all of a sudden everyone on here gets overly defensive :(
Everything has stayed the same after this loss.
1) we will not be bottom 3
2) we will prob not make the playoffs
3) we will have more downs than ups this season
4) that was an awesome streak by our kids
5) They are fun to watch on most nights
6) We have some gaping holes to fill still
7) Skilled teams like Boston will usually destroy us
I could go on and on...but 99% of the people on here knows these things. Its the 1% extremist on either side (such as tooks) that everyone feels like defending against.
He says stupid things..move on
What happens if Turris doesn't work out & we have given away Da Costa? We need to keep da costa as a backup measure. Filatov is a former 1st rd pick that hasn't worked out yet at the NHL level, Turris is a former 1st rd pick that hasn't worked out either & Lee as well. Not sure what Phoenix needs more offensive or defensive help but IMO Filatov would be the better option between Lee or Filatov for them.
To Phoenix: Filatov or Lee (not both)
To Ottawa: Turris
Rather than losing what they have to free agency or letting them walk for nothing as an RFA... don't you think a 2 or 3 for 1 would be the way to go? Not saying it should be Turris... but they will have to trade or let walk a couple of forwards to get the young guys in.
Regarding Tookie - I was just poking fun at him. You chose to call him a douche.
Different degrees of hostility toward dissenting opnions, I guess.
And I should move on?
Spezza is absolutely an elite player. Point per game throughout his career and has basically dominated every game but 1 so far this year. During the 6 game win streak he had 5 goals and 6 assists(aka he was the major reason why we were winning)
When a player in this league can single handedly win you games on a farely consistent basis,I'm sorry but it means HE'S ELITE
You also went on to say he got most of his point by playing with great players such as Hossa and Havlat...he really didn't. At that time he played very minimal minutes. He only started dominating when Murray came in as a coach and put together the pizza line
Ever since he has been a ppg player with or without solid nhl players
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/12068/kyle-turris-trade-talks-heating-up
1) I didn't mean to offend you (honestly, I was just answering a question you asked), I just wish some people would calm down on here about defending/attac king the sens (i was trying to write that in a "calm" fashion...but text doesn't convey emotions very well). Kind of a "everything is going exactly how most people assumed this season would go...if not even a little better".
2) yeah...sorry, I think took is a douche. Some may agree, some may disagree, its just how I feel. He's said many smart things on here, but also way too many dumb things (for attention??? I don't know) for me to take him seriously.
Ummm you couldnt be more wrong, atleast 50% of the people on here actually think were a good team, making the playoffs and all that. Im actually in the camp that we are not a good team and not making the playoffs.....do you even read the comments bud?
@ Patrick 2.0
Sometimes our friendly foe, Tookie, gets us all riled up !
How boring SensChirp's website would be, without his outlandish posts and somewhat contoversial comments .
Let's raise our glasses and roast Tookie forever.
No offence taken.
I agree Sandy, but it wont be for this year, we will be packaging those guys for picks in the upcoming draft, just like we did last year.
Were going to send, Foligno, Regin and Lee to CBJ for their 1st overall pick. then pick Yakupov at #1 and then Forsberg at #5!!
Now, that would be sweet!
Like somebody previously stated...get your own blog. Nobody wants to read your crap. Don't you get the hint after day after day of people chirping you. Even SC has to tell you to shut up(in a nicer language because he has to)
Its time buddy...move on
You honestly think comlumbus wiould make that trade tookie?? keep dreamin buddy
A little better D and some clutch goaltending could've made the difference between the loss and stealing 2 points from them when we didn't play well enough to deserve it.
I think after a nice 6 game win streak we were likely due for a little let down, and now the boys can regroup and realize they haven't accomplished anything yet and need to keep bringing their A game and smart play to have a chance on most nights.
Right now I'm really hoping Anderson is a slow starter, he's been good and made some brilliant saves here and there, but it would be nice to see him steal a game in the next handful or so.
LOL and you are?
Right, when people come to see your comments on a blog then come talk to me...otherwise be quiet.
Show me where I was so rediculous in these comments?
And yes I know the trade to CBJ for our garbage wouldnt happen, its called sarcasm (enter font)
No not for those but maybe for Wiercioch, Da Costa and Butler...
you are absoultely correct, he bails on every single shot in unless it is the PP
oh nice to see you respond only when you are right,
fair weather poster,
yes it will snow in January Took!
yes my mistake, sorry,
Yeah Lucic just destroyed Cowen off of a pass from Gonchar.
People comment about your comments because they are so laughable
Also...1st overall is going to take a lot more than that. Last year Edm wanted our 6th and Karlsson for the 1st. And this year the top 2 picks will be worth even more as the players available are true superstars.
Honestly though...you're a joke
Well done Boom,
yah tooks why do you hate to admit, a player on your "favorite" team is playing well???
I shit on Gonchar but if he wakes up and starts playing like a Norris trophy d-man I would be dancing in the streets and be happy to tell all I was
wrong.
Tooks is knowledgable, problem I have with him is he says he is a Sens fan, and who are we to argue, but for whatever reason, he is sombre when on a 6 game winning streak, but prances around like a peacock with his feathers stretched out when they lose!?!?!?
This is what I find most disturbing,
Tooks care to comment, or will you ignore this point, and focus on my mistakes?
Hmmm...very interesting. I do read the comments, and don't see it.
Hey Chirp! Maybe you should make a poll asking where most readers here think the Sens will end up this year. I don't see this as a negative thing...I don't think there's anything negative in thinking your team won't win the cup. I still cheer my heart out every game, I just don't expect them to be in the playoffs.
I think its a good poll chirp...lets do it! Let's find out what Senschirp.ca thinks the Sens will end up. It might just clear up this debate for a while :)
I think that would be ridiculously short-sighted. Lee's improved so much and his benching reflects our 8 NHL Dmen more than a lack of good play.
To give up on a guy who finally started to blossom would hurt. He quietly went about playing solid positional hockey even when the team was playing poorly.
agreed,
but not playing him will set him back again, really find it strange that Lee's camp is not forcing their hand after a good finish to the year and a good camp... which also points what a character kid he is.
And Tookie, enough with the provoking of other posters. You are extremely good at what you do and have some valid opinions on this hockey team but I don't know that you are always good for this comment section. I know the bickering has chased people away in the past and I really don't want that to happen again.
I really, really don't want to have to go back to moderating comments.
its a real shame as day in and day out there used to be quality/varied discussions.
amen to that. i remember just a few months ago more like summer time. there was serious discussions going on that would get me sitting here for hours reading all the comments.
Just trying to get you a heads up chirp...I know ill still check for your insight...that' s about it tho until something is done.
Clearly it's something I am aware of. Dealing with it in an appropriate way is another thing altogether. I don't want to censor people but I also can not have every discussion reduced to back and forth bickering on one issue.
LOL, I wouldnt oppose to that but it would be one hell of a Monday!
"Hellish Mondays"
Yeah I was gonna say, enough is enough, I enjoy the occasional flame war but this is getting ridiculous, it's the same people day in and day out that continue having the same bogus arguments for no reason.
We get it, you don't like this guy, but do you really have to ruin it for the rest of us by telling everyone 1034039843098 times a day? YEESH!
The hell did I do, lol...
I said Da Costa hadnt a chance to win the Calder and I am right...not my fault people dont agree...
Also isnt this a blog, a place for people to go back and forth about, what is so bad about that, I dont care if people insult me, I find it amusing, most people know where to draw the line and the few who dont, usually leave by themselves.
I dont think I have gone way overboard in this comment section...
Who are you referring to? I dont even know what people are upset about, lol.
Based solely on stats, how many points do you think Karlsson will get this year? When (in how many years) do you think he will hit his full potential for point production? How many points do you think he'll get at full potential (assuming 82 games).
Is point production more important than plus/minus stats. In other words, if he finishes with a -30 and 70 points, will anyone complain about that.
Come on Sens fans. Lets throw out some random conversation topics.
The team is playing well. Here's the thing though: can they bounce back? If they can, and string together another run, then they are legit. If they can't, then its back to rebuild mode for me.
Oh...and a big fat no to turris unless its a lee-turris move....and that would be more for lee because right now, he is getting the shaft.
I'm referring to people that are like "Tookie is a douche, took is a leafs fan, tookie lives in his mom's basement, tookie stole my lunch money and called me a fatty, etc, etc, etc"
I realize I'm still talking about this so I will move on....So, how about that local sports team?
Good question(s) re: Karlsson - I think 70 points would be fantastic, but I also think he needs to be alot closer to even (Sens aren't good enough, overall, for him to be a plus player, I suspect) before we can consider him a real good defenceman. He's there already, offensively, and I'm sure his defensive game will improve enough for this to happen.
Calder - Lots of talk about candidates, but at this point anyone would be hard pressed to beat RNH. A few people mentioned our D making a run at it, While I think Rundblad and Cowen will eventually be in the running for the Norris (can't forget Karlsson) it's a hard sell at this point.
The Bruins played the exact game they needed and made it tough on our boys. Ottawa had a lot to overcome and just had a hard time getting over the blue line. They couldn't even setup the PP, no sense crying over it, we'll meet them again soon and hopefully it'll be a better schedule so our guys have some legs.
Last but not least, there is way too much bickering. I've stayed away for awhile and limited my posts, just because of it. It's not a knock on the site, Chirp will do what he can. But don't force him to moderate.
Well he's 21 and already producing at a high level, I say between 24-28 will be his highest point production (60-70) as the team will be much better.
This year I think he gets close to 60pts with a -25 rating.
As for +-, I guess for a Off Defenseman, it doesnt matter much, Karlsson gets most of his points on the PP, which doesnt give you +-. He will always be a liablity in his own end because of his size and strength.
In the playoffs is where it will hurt the most, as it usually gets very physical and usually a bad +- in the playoffs equals a quick exit.
131 games-19 goals-27 assists
Just turned 22, 1 year older than Filatov.
Phoenix requires skill at just about every position, but mainly at F & G. They have a good group of veterans and some key dmen in Yandle and Ekman-Larsson. In the next year or two Brandon Gormley should join them, so at most they would require 1 prospect dman in a trade imo.
Obviously few Sens fans would trade Zibanejad, Lehner, Rundblad, Karlsson or Cowen, and rightfully so. This leaves Wiercioch, Boro, Gryba or Lee on the back end. As far as forwards I could see Da Costa, Butler, Regin, Winchester, Condra and possibly Foligno or even maybe Filatov (since we need a C more then a winger).
So how about Wiercioch + Da Costa + Butler + a mid pick as a start? Expensive but it will take a lot & Sens must pay for his potential.
What say you?
Tookie likes to stir the pot, some people like to call him out on it... others don't
Not sure what people want, do they only want comments, but not anyone to respond to them?
Anyway,
When is Carkner due back, something has to happen on the
d-line before he is back, and he does, is he the the guy who sits out?
wouldn't pay even close to that for someone that hasn't prooven anything significantly moreso than anyone you are sending away.
Personally I am not a huge fan of the trade/half aased attempt at speeding along the rebuild.
Well put
Tookie may use hyperbole combined with negativity to get his point across but he's not far off from the truth so many Sens fans want to ignore after a six game winning streak. In order to become a great team the Sens will likely have to endure being a very bad team.
Sens fans can cross their fingers that Greening will become a thirty goal scorer and top three forward. We can pray that we have 2-3 other forwards in the system who will achieve similar success by the time Alfie hangs them up.
All I think about is how much better we get by drafting Nail Yakupov this year. Compare the Oilers and Penguins to the Bluejackets. Drafting 1st-3rd is far superior to drafting 5th-7th. The evidence is there.
So because people are immature I get the "Tookie dont provoke people" slap!
Listen I dont want to talk about it either so I'll just drop it.
Yeah the 67's are doing great!
I'm looking for 55-65pts from him this year and I could see him having a career year at some point slightly surpassing a point per game, so about 85pts.
Though +/- isn't a great stat category, anything below -15 I would consider not completely worth production below a point per game. But if we're winning more then we lose and he has that bad of a +/- I'm sure he'd be the main dman on the ice when we get scored against, which wouldn't be a good situation.
That is a great comparison Boom, Letang is much edgier and not afraid to mix it up but a great comparison offensively.
Karlsson only needs to get better 5 on 5 and that will come with time. Letang has/had Crosby, Malkin, Staal etc... and Fleury in nets. Helps alot.
I do value Tookies points of view. Makes total sense about his +/- and PP time not counting towards it.
Letang is a more physical dman then Karlsson. He has about 20 lbs on the guy and uses it. He's a great dman, I just think their styles are pretty different.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/13378/ottawa_senators_depth_analysis_fall2011/
I agree with you, Tookie and others who say Yakupov would be a great addition to this rebuild. I just think we'll have to trade up to be able to get him. Would be nice if BM finds a way to get him Mikhail Grigorenko and/or Forsberg though.
I know he has about 20 pounds on Karlsson now, but he didn't when he was the same age as Karlsson is now. That's my point - if Karlsson works out hard, and gets stronger - perhaps he could play with a bit of an edge too.
I also agree with this train of thought but I guess I was bashing people in the face with it...I know you cant lose on purpose, pro hockey players dont lose on purpose.
The Sens did look like a bottom 3 team before the season started but they have overachieved in the first 12 games, which is a good thing, it shows they have determination and drive, also playing together in the Calder Cup helps, not many teams can bring a bunch of kids from junior who all won together...
I just think people quickly forget we are in a rebuild, winning 6 games got them all excited and should have.
But the grand picture is winning Cups.
I don't doubt the Sens have interest in Kyle Turris but I spoke with one contact this afternoon who called it a "longshot"-Noth ing imminent.
I agree, it would be great if he could match the level of physicality that Letang exhibits. I'm hopeful he'll get partially there in a few years, but I do think his style seems a bit more finesse imo. It's a good comparison though and we'd all be lucky to have a Letang type on the team.
Qusetion - based on what we are seeing right now, this many games into the season. Who do you think will really finish last overall?
I personally feel that the success has just reinforced how positive I feel about how the rebuild is going. But yes, even if we somehow won the division this year we'd still be in a rebuild, I definitely have no misconceptions about that. Success this year is a bonus and the hockey is fun to watch!
I do not think he is worth going after whatsoever.
He only has 11 goals in over 130 games, and surely Regin or Da Costa, and even Zibanejad, would all have a lot more than 11 goals after 130 or so games.
Tookie... that could be a plan BUT I don't think Columbus will get 1st overall pick... and it would take more than that to get it. Who finishes last? who knows at this point. But if the Sens lose Spezza for any length of time... it will be them...
As an fyi, Regin has 18 goals in 146 NHL games but is much older and was more NHL ready when he broke in.
With respect to Turris his potential is supposed to be that of a point per game player in his peak, and obviously Phoenix would expect a team to pay for that potential. I would agree that if you don't think he can reach that potential, there is no reason to want him.
Not disagreeing with your stance, just elaborating on my perspective.
Well its hard to tell but the front runners have to be CBJ, Jets and Calgary.
With the way stone is dominating in the OHL, looks like he is too good for that league..
Should we have kept him up here with the big boys? or Is he too young to be up here and is ineligible to play in AHL if we had to send him down for whatever reason.....
Don't understand all the hype on Turris... he has proven nothing and is holding out... How would we feel if say one of our players decided he would not sign next year and hold out?
Says alot about the character I say.
sure go after him if it is at the right cost... which is not much seeing his will to prove himself.
Shit we have a kid who is dieing to get play, and does not complain in Lee.
Which character would you rather on your team?
I agree, why are we even considering this guy, Zib, Silfverberg, Stone, Pageau, Puempel, can all do better than that!
As some may remember Stone was a prospect I felt really highly about before his big season last year. Skating has always been considered his downside, but definitely an area he's working to improve. He was not ready for NHL yet this year and due to the rules between leagues the only option for him was returning to the WHL. He only signed his entry level contract in Sep this year, which will allow him to play in either the AHL or NHL come next year. Personally I think he may be ready to make the jump next fall, but there will be stiff competition for very few spots.
http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=588941
Stone is WHL.
I think we had too many players on 1 way contracts, either way I dont think he was rdy for the NHL, he needs to work on his skating alot more. In junior you dont have to be a good skater, smaller rinks, slower play, smaller bodies, I think is why Stone is dominating, that and he has the skills to do it.
But in the NHL you have to skate, it is exceptionally rare to have an elite talent with borderline skating ability, quickly Heatley comes to mind...he is/was an exception...
Thanks for the responses..
Dominating on the small ice makes ton of sense..
nice to know that we have such skill sets developing and dominating in their respective leagues..
No game tomorrow :(..Hate waiting more than one day for a game especially when the team has been playing the way they have...Any updates from todays practice?
I think Stone is already a better skater then Locke. Locke is definitely the epitome of AHL skill. I hope Stone does not top out there.
I have trouble figuring out if he can reach the next level he needs for the NHL. I like his work ethic, just question where he will top out.
If we play fantastic and everyone has a great season and our guys have lots of points and goals, THEN we have some serious trade bait for picks.
The more valuable the players are this year the higher their trade value this fall.
Not only that but it makes some top producers like Michalek Kuba and others expendable for top picks.
If we play like crap for a top pick, these guys become worth less and we may get a top pick but clearing out our log jam when we get Silverburg Zibby next year ends up being a fire sale.
So if you truly want Yakupov Forsburg this is the way.
Cheer of Kuba Gonchar and all our players to play lights out this year and if we squeak into playoffs we still become sellers but sellers with serious high value, not bottom feeder garbage nobody wants.
Tookie you should pray we over achieve as you call it all frigin year, that would make the rebuild phenomenal from the picks we get back.
It would then make trading up a lot easier
You have to be freakin kidding me....anderson is the only reason this game wasnt 10-3
Good correction on Kuba, I was wondering if you miswrote. Though I sure hope we can get something for him by the deadline.
I'd keep Michalek unless the return was very high, trading him for a pick would delay the rebuild too much imo.
Well the Turris stuff comes from the TSN Panel last night. There is interest from Ottawa but nothing is close right now. Yost is speculating on Omark and while it makes sense, nothing to it right now.
Murray is in no hurry to make a move.
If price were the same I'd take Turris, but I'd imagine his price tag is a lot higher. I think we need a scoring center for the future more then another winger, given our prospect pool. Just my opinion. Spezza-Zibaneja d-Turris-Smith would be a pretty strong middle of the lineup.
The only goalie with a lower Sv% than Anderson is Jaro Halak . . . you know . . . the guy Brian Elliot replaced as starter.
PS: Andy also leads the league in goals against, GAA, and shots against (though, thats more a team stat).
Not bad, Edmonton might want to keep all assets until the trade deadline and if they are still in contention and Kuba is still producing assists ... we might have a buyer.
Yeah I don't think it's obvious to take Turris. Have you seen Omark play ? Skill up the ying yang, more than Filatov.
That is possible because it seems to me that Oilers are looking for defensemen.
An interesting article about Colin Greening. What a great young man. Great character.
That's why I call him the Big Blond Newfie god...
Anybody got a good player comparison who turris plays like??
And if your thinking i should pay attention to hockey more if i dont know how turris plays thats not the case. Its just rarely have i seen a coyotes game on tv and i havent really seen much of turris on the highlights.