For the Senators, the news has not been any better. Ottawa has given up a total of 14 goals in their last two games at SBP and will be looking to tighten things up against the Jets.
A player to watch on the Winnipeg side of things is rookie Mark Scheifele. He scored his first career goal last night and has been a bit of a surprise for the Jets so far. He was a player the Sens scouting staff was extremely high on heading into the draft but obviously not enough to pass over Mika Zibanejad. Scheifele ended up going 7th.
Sergei Gonchar returns to the Ottawa line up tonight.
I’ve mentioned it on here before, but I really think the booing of Gonchar has got a little out of hand. Comments from the media, and most recently from his agent, have made the situation even worse. Hopefully he can bounce back starting tonight.
With Gonchar returning to the line up, Brian Lee will return to the press box. MacLean shuffled his lines a little bit at practice on Wednesday so the Sens could see a different look to start this one.
- Michalek-Spezza-Greening
- Foligno-Regin-Alfredsson
- Smith-Zibanejad-Neil
- Winchester-Da Costa-Condra
- Phillips-Rundblad
- Kuba-Karlsson
- Cowen-Gonchar
One change up front as Jesse Winchester returns from a shoulder injury and will play his first game of the season. He takes the place of Zenon Konopka on the team's fourth line.
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This is our most important game yet...must lose(or win for the jokers who would rather finish 2nd-3rd last).
Hopefully he asks for a trade... With any luck Murray can find someone desperate enough to take him. Columbus maybe?
You suck man.
6 Games into the season, get real.
Yea I realize I may be in the minority on this. I just think a veteran defenceman, one of the leading point producers among all D in the last 10 years and the only Cup winner on the team deserves a little more respect.
The booing prior to the home opener just didn't seem right. I'm ok with booing a bad play but to do it before the puck has dropped? Seemed excessive.
what about our team this year makes you MORE optimistic than last year ?
The fans of this team really are fickle, as mentioned many times. And people wonder why no one wants to play here. If you don't even respect your own players, give me one good reason why NHLers should respect your organization?
Let's hope for a good game tonight!
It's just about supporting the team. I understand that may not be your approach but there is nothing wrong with other feeling that way.
So because I am realistic about our chances this year I don't support our team??
give me a break
Who cares if you called it? It isn't the point.. We know the Sens will do bad this year, do you really think you are breaking something we don't know? We just don't want to hear all year long about how you hope they lose.
If we get the 1st overall, great. But I'm not going to sit here every game hoping we lose, it's October, it will be one hell of a gloom and doom season if we are already cheering for losses.
expecting a loss either way. Our D is horrendous
I understand its harsh but as fans its the only thing we can do to send a message. If I could, I would say it to his face (he's a big softie so i'm not afraid of him, lol) and during a game they are so focused they dont hear it (obvioulsy as he's never complained before and we booed him all of last season).
I dont care if his feeling are hurt and no he doesnt deserve more respect, not here...what has he done, in Pittsburgh, no doubt he's the man but in Ottawa he has to EARN his respect...
Soft play and no effort level will get you booed. But instead of being a baby about it, Gonchar should step up and give it his all like he so viciously defends in the Sun article and then he will get cheered and be loved by all...
give me a break
Didn't say that. Just a different approach to supporting.
There are times, that I agree it's uncalled for (Player intro's) but fans will voice their displeasures in the only way they can.
If he just shows some effort, the boos will stop...
I agree. He shouldn't have been booed the way he was. I was at the game and was quite surprised with the response. I guess people actually do read Don Brennan articles... Oh and are sheep. But I don't think he'll have the impact here that he did in Pittsburgh or Washington. We just don't have the supporting cast that he had previously. And we're Canadian. We take our hockey seriously. If he can't handle the heat.....
Unless he started leading the league in points, I don't think he'd be loved by the fans.
Every year, Ottawa picks a player for the doghouse. I can remember 2 years ago, and even last year, defending Spezza, telling people he is our best player and at times it took me digging up his pt/game stats to show "fans".
Our city gets things stuck in their head, and read a few bad things in the media and it starts to become fact and the indentity of that player.
Too many quasi Sens fans in this city that don't know how to make up their own minds and usually once a players hits the doghouse here, it's a tough place to climb out of.
I don't like how it's forced down our throats at ever7y opportunity by some people but it's really not that different from those who blindly believe we are going to make the playoffs despite the evidence of the season so far.
It really shouldn't have taken these games to understand that we were going to struggle this year.
I still can't bring myself to cheer for losses though.
The simple fact is that I will suport the sens and go to as many games whether they are top, middle or bottom in the standings. there's no doubt however than winning makes you feel better in the parking lot than getting beaten 7-1.
Ok I somewhat agree with this, and im guilty of it 100%, I understand cheering to lose is bad for morale, but also cheering to win is destructive to the rebuild. I know winnig 10-20 games wont kill us and it will give fans atleast something to cheer about, but its the fans that want to make the playoffs or the fans that would rather not be at the bottom instead lurking somewhere in the middle like the Leafs have been for years...
Im ok with winning games here and there but I wont cheer for us to win more than we lose, as a fan, that would go against the rebuild process...
Winchester has a worse faceoff percentage than Konopka.
Completely agree.
Was not in any way implying that optimism makes for a better fan. Just a different type of fan. The problem is the way the two sides clash with one another, thinking that one outlook is better than the other.
But Winchester is better everywhere else. I'd take Winchester over Konopka anyday.
This daily bickering about how we shouldn't cheer for wins is f'n old. The Sens are our team, I'm going to cheer for them all year long and enjoy whatever happens, even if that's the playoffs or the 1st overall draft pick!
Enjoy the game, let the gm worry about draft picks.
That wasn't the point of my reply. He said it would help on the draw, which it obviously won't.
@Tookie
This is such a strange comment. If we're as bad as a team as you preach(not that I think we are great), then we will lose, there's no need to cheer against the team. A rebuild is a product of not having the talent to contend. Sure, it's somewhat of a choice by the team's brass,selling off aging assets, but, to think hoping we lose is better for the team than cheering for us to win, that makes no sense.
The avalanche are re-building right now, but have a pretty great record... but, I'm sure if this was Aves Chirp you'd be on here telling everyone about how bad it is that we are winning and how we'll soon start to lose games cuz the team isn't that good. I'd love for our Sens to be where the Aves are right now in the standings.
I really don't understand you stance.
if I was GM
i'd start with a team and see who can be upgraded and you do not replace those players with someone with less ability then them. you build thru the draft and the play in the ahl or else were until proven! you sign free agents that once again upgrade or resign. thats the way detroit does it. so why aren't we if this is our plan anyway!
Those Spezza haters were few and had no real ground, one or 2 quick rebuttals usually caved them in.
I understand Gonchar has a great playing career but it wasnt with us and why on earth do you think Gonchar signed with us? Im sure as hell it wasnt because of the high octane offense that we had or the chance to contend in his waning hockey career...
He came for the money, if you cant see that your blind. nobody offered him as much as we did, Pittsburgh didnt even offer him anything....The y realized he was done...Its a business, cut and move on.
If he would only show some effort, I guarantee you people would lay off the boo's.
4-2 Ottawa takes it ... Tookie runs on the ice screaming "This is a rebuild guys, stop winning!"
Tookie is right (::Faints, comes to::) these guys make millions of dollars and getting booed when you arent playing to what you're getting paid to - in fact, not even coming close, you should, can and will be booed. what if Kuba and Gonchar actually thought they were playing fine? the fans told them they werent happy as they should. They can either pout about it or step up their play.
Sens fans should never boo any of the young guys cause bad play is expected - veterans who accept huge contracts and dont play for them are fair game.
RE: Gonchar - Lets see. If he turns it around and starts putting up some points and the bashing ceases, I'll be amazed and have a new found faith in our fanbase.
@Sensnation - That tookie running on the ice comment is gold.
Well thats where your wrong, its makes alot more sense now, since we are in a rebuild, the whole point is to get as close as possible to that lottery pick...
Does it automatically means we get 1st, no but the chances are great. Either way, top 3 is good, but the goal is 1st.
As for Colorado, I dont really care what they do that Org is in total disarray, they dont have a 1st rounder anymore, they gave theirs to Washington for Varlamov. So in essence they want to finish as high as possible so the return for Washington isnt a top 3 pick. I think they believe, as stupid as it is, that they can compete and are going for it.
But make no mistake, Colorado will be with us in the bottom of the standings come end of season...Watch them hit the wall around the 20 game mark.
for the first stage of the rebuild you HAVE to replace quality players with those that aren't as good. The only way we could have replaced Fisher and Kelly with better players is through free agency and that wouldn't make sense.
the first phase is always going to be really painful, but look at it and say we replaced Fisher and Kelly with Zibanejad and Noesen then it looks brighter, but it only looks really bright a couple of years down the line.
you have to move back to move forwards in a rebuild. that's where we are now and we might see similar at this year's deadline when Michalek and Neil (for example) get moved on and not immediately replaced with quality.
i'm not so interested in the quality of player this year, but in the effort.
once the painful cutting process is finished, which it should be by the end of this season, we could look to make the improvements and upgrades you are looking for
I love this comment im sure Murray and Maclean wants to start winning now not in 3 or 4 years once there contracts are over.I don't think murray will sit back and watch us loose all season.
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Enjoy!
Murray is the one that declared a rebuild, he aint gonna fuck it up now, its what he does best. Why would he opt for a rebuild and then 1 year into it screw it up by trying to become a playoff team with developmental players in his roster, think before you post...
Quoting Tookie19:
Those are the words of a mad man.
I can see it now. Maclean somehow gets the team behind him and starts winning games. They just get into the playoffs in the 8th spot. Murray then knocks on Maclean's door.
"Sorry Paulurus, you're fired."
I'd love to be in your head tookie. Where BM is having meetings with MacLean and telling him - you better not start winning or off the the glue factory.
BUT - I do want the team we have now to win now! And I will be cheering for that. That is a longshot but it is the preferred scenario for me.
Again - if this crew miraculously starts winning, they will only be better next year which will be sooner than a sens team that drafts in the top 5 this year.
and take a look back though the years. every year you will always find plenty of players drafted in later rounds with more points than one of those drafted in the top 5. a top 5 more or less guarantees you an NHLer but it does not guarantee you a franchise player who will get you a cup. It does not guarantee you will get a better player than someone drafted later in the first or in any later round.
Its gonna be like that all year, Murray WONT make moves to improve the team, thats not what you do in a rebuild. They're might be minor deals for picks or prospects but that about it.
I dont actually "cheer" for losses, I just know were gong to lose more than win and I've accepted that, those who havent are only hurting themselves and the team.
Your saying that to properly develop are players we have to loose all year,im sorry dude but that makes no sense to me maybe your the one that needs to think before you post.
What is the point of getting top draft picks if they don't want to play for you? How will we be competitive after 5 years if all the players we've developed want out of this city as soon as possible?
How will our veterans motivate the young players if they're constantly getting the air taken out of their own tires by the fans?
Moreover, how will this team craft an identity if the fans resent the player and the players resent the fans - the team needs us to support this rebuild by supporting the team on the ice. Make them want to win for us so that when the skill develops, the desire will already be there.
I'm with buddy... you suck man (and there are people to confirm this).
Quoting Tcharger:
I completely understand but I'm not a Franchise GM, but I don't want to lose our team. team lose franchises based on poor quality of players.
and to me that sounds like taking one step back and then one step forward. which in logic puts you right back were you came from
All your comments stem from the idea that one player makes a team. Complete and utter bullshit. Did the Gretzky move pay off for LA? No. Did the Forsberg move pay off for Nashville? No. Did the Lindros move pay off for Philadelphia? No.
Finishing last overall will get us a great player; but to say that getting a roster full of first year pros into the playoffs would fuck things up is just ignorant. Yakupov (or Forsberg) would be great, but not if the other 5 guys on the ice with him have zero confidence.
@Tookie - Just so you know, I hate everyone in ottawa that is crying about us losing and don't understand what a re-build is. But that last post, you did make it sound like you think BM is rooting for us to lose as part of his plan. I think I know what you were saying, but it came off a bit odd.
Me, madman, your actually thinking playoffs with this roster...
Its people like you that keep it fun tho, I mean with all the evidence that this team has shown in last year's and this, that you even think playoffs are attainable...wh ile develping players which at this point are all not NHL ready and not projected to do so for atleast 2-3 years...
The nuthouse is calling, its for you...
your opinion on Gonchar contradicts every other comment you make. if you want the team to lose as many as possible and you feel gonchar is playing horrible - wouldn't it make more sense to applaud him? lol
on a more realistic note - booing players does not make them play better (SPORTS PSYCHOLOGY 101).
not only does it adversely affect the player, it also screws with the morale of the entire team and fan base.
what do you think goes through Karlsson's head or Rundblad or Zibanejad? Personally, I'd rather have them think this is a city that will support them through the good times and bad instead of driving them out of here as soon as they are ufa's.
fans and media need to smarten up.
these are professionals, they know that booing is part of what they can expect as pro's making millions playing the game they love. The Rangers fans boo the hell out of their players and they dont seem to have any problems signing superstars.
Players sign where the dollars are, not where they will get the most fan support. give ME a break.
As fans, we owe the players NOTHING. As players, they owe us EVERYTHING.
If I had he opportunity to dialogue with Kuba and tell him how bad I think he is playing and why, and does he not see this, I would. But I don't, so I boo - when appropriate.
No Murray is not going to sabotage any winning attempt by MacLean, haha, dont know where you guys got that...
Just saying, making moves in an attempt to help us win games, aint gonna happen, as others seem to think so...
You are a madman. Considering I made a hypothetical statement based on you crazy comments and you then go on a rant thinking I think we are a playoff team?
Dude, take your time, breathe, and read all my comments and figure it out. In my comments, I have said:
I don't think we're a great team
That I'm aware of the rebuild and that losing comes with it.
I'm more pointing out that BM is not hoping for us to lose. He may be aware of what comes with the rebuild, but, if we started winning he wouldn't axe Maclean and be up in arms about it just cuz his plan was a rebuild and instead of bottoming out, we won... nowhere did I say we would win.
Gear down there, big rig. Everything will be okay. It is funny to see how easy it is to watch you blow up. I was more or less siding with you and just commenting that your last statement sounds like you're crazy.
Booing players can either have a negative or positive effect and dependent on player type/personalit y.
Negative effects of booing: Lowers a players confidence level, therefore making quick and irational decisions with/without the puck. Second guessing easy and obvious decisions/options.
Positive effects of booing: Lights a fire under that players butt. Serves as motivation to proove the fan base wrong. Can often push that player into next gear.
Unfortunately, Gonchar/Kuba belong to that 1st group and players like Matt Cooke, avery and even Alfie belong to the 2nd group
Even Vancouver is booing Bobby Lou.
so what does your sports psychology text book say about giving players an inflated sense of satisfaction that is undeserved? when your child misbehaves, do you buy them a present? does that change their behaviour?
what should go through the guys heads is, "I better not get lazy and shitty after I sign a big contract." If they take the heatley pout route, who needs them.
Were talking about booing him for no effort, even with some effort, hell, even if Gonchar plays lights out, it wont be damn near close enough to make this team win...
And I highly doubt Gonchar will change, he's the type of Russian you all cringe about.
Like I said, booing him or cheering for him, either way he's gonna play badly...Im just trying to comfort the softies who are sad were hurting Gonchar's feeling...
Let's not be the kind of fanbase that is laughed about by booing our players and rioting when things don't go our way.
Just saying, making moves in an attempt to help us win games, aint gonna happen, as others seem to think so...
Pookie why do you care so much about what others seem too think? They are just opinions and we all know yours so you can stop with the blablabla
Your exact words....neverm ind the rebuild, tha tought alone boggles the mind...
Furthermore, I will agree with it isn't the best time to boo a player (during the player announcements). But had those people boo'd him in the game, it would have been about an individual play during that specific game. Where it really is about his effort level.
Do players make mistakes? Yes. Do we expect them to be perfect 2-3 games into the season? No. But the effort must be there.
The fact that Barry is stating the reason Gonch was boo'd is because of a lack of production is ridiculous. It is because of his lack of effort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb_nHG49iwI
That's why he got boo'd, and to not acknowledge that is "a little absurd" as Barry would say.
All we ask for is effort from our young guys. So lead by example Gonch.
Can we please cease the ridiculous arguments about booing, etc. How about a discussion about which teams will be calling Murray about Alfie at the deadline and what kind of compensation we might be receiving.
I was wondering the same thing myself!!
And nowhere did I say Murray is hoping we lose, neither did I say he would fire MacLean?
You are absolutely correct!
There is a fine line here I admit. For example, habs fans who almost booed Carey Price out of montreal were completely stupid. This is a kid who is there future, and he is young and will have bad games. that is counterproducti ve. I'd equate that to booing Zibby for 1 assist in his first 6 games. every young guy needs to go through a process. But 10-15 year vets who are clearly dogging it out there, they should be booed.
and rioting and booing are hardly comparable. you're sensationalizin g there.
I would say Vancouver in the west and Washington in the east.
Compensation....2nd round pick
Sorry Chirp I disagree,
the booing is 2 seasons in the making, we gave him the respect last year, and he comes in worse than ever
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Personally it would be an absolute joy to see alfie in a wings jersey and he would be such a great fit with Detroit for a playoff run.
Both teams will benefit huge and Detroit takes less risk in losing a first round pick than any other team in the NHL.
If he would only show some effort, I guarantee you people would lay off the boo's.
Well said...
Tookie the Sens would never trade Alfie for just a second rounder. He's still a very good player. Put him on a line with Giroux and JVR or the Sedin sisters or St Louis and Stammer and he's still very close to a point be game player.
You guys think the young guys don't talk to each other around the league (OHL/AHL/NHL)? These guys are people too, and they talk. I just went to HS with a few NHLers who are still relatively new to the league, and you won't believe half the sh*t they say when cameras arent rolling.
Most people are quick to forget these young guys are just that- young, 17/18/19 year olds that form their opinion on the basis & experience of their friends.
Having an NHL team is a privilege, not a right. So show some respect if you care at all for the future of this organization.. Geez.
Haha! I wouldn't cheer for him either!
Sometimes just to ignore him could be a message too.
Imagine a totally silent SBP after his name was announced, it would be funny.
Anyway I can do either, too far away to assist to the games.
I could see him in Van or Wash for their 1st round picks and possibly an expiring contract so they stay under the cap. There may also be an agreement to trade him back so he can retire a Senator as we also have tons of cap space next year.
2nd round pick? Tookie we got that for Kelly. Look what the Leafs got for Kaberle?
I would demand a lot more than a 2nd round pick for Alfie -- if not then he stays where he is... the other team loses out.
Whilst him getting a cup would be lovely and pink and fluffy and romantic I would rather he retired a senator than win the cup with a different team.
There are the sens, and then there are 29 other teams. If the Sens aren't winning the cup I don't care who does or who is on their team.
It has absolutely no effect on why I watch hockey in the first place, which is to watch the sens.
I could see him in Van or Wash for their 1st round picks and possibly an expiring contract so they stay under the cap. There may also be an agreement to trade him back so he can retire a Senator as we also have tons of cap space next year.
Do you know if the League would allow us to re-acquire Alfie in the offseason if we were to trade him? That would be interesting if they would.
I just really want to see Alfie hoist the cup and I think trading him would really help out the rebuild.
I would be painful to see him in another jersey though, unless he went to Detroit or Chicago or something sick like that lol
I hope Calgary trades Iggy to a contender too!!
Zack Smith-Peter Regin-Chris Neil
Colin Greening-Nick Foligno-Nikita Filatov
Stephane Da Costa-Erik Condra-Bobby Butler
Zenon Konopka
Chris Phillips-Erik Karlsson
Filip Kuba-Sergei Gonchar
Jared Cowen-Brian Lee
Based on points I think it give everyone else something to talk about ;p
The list is long, Redden, Gerber, Leclaire, Phillips, Gonchar, Kuba, Kovalev, etc.
Just b/c we screwed up and signed them doesn't mean they automatically play.
I boo b/c I am sick an tired of paying money to watch shitty players play who frankly are too happy to collect their cheques, and really don't care about team success, and what it takes to win, or at least win over the fans
Was Fisher ever booed for being signed as a 2nd line centre...no
How else do we show our displeasure, and let them know, "yes you can collect your 5 Mil, while I shell out $200 per game, but we will let you know you do not deserve to be on a Sens roster!
As Coach McLean clearly states "you don't like the boos...play better!
Yea but Winchester will likely get more ice time, and more key draws on the penalty kill.
Soft play and no effort level will get you booed. But instead of being a baby about it, Gonchar should step up and give it his all like he so viciously defends in the Sun article and then he will get cheered and be loved by all...
I agree with this. We don't owe him anything. Phillips had a rough year last year, and this year hasn't been much better. But we cheered him on big at the opening. Because HE'S earned our respect. And he did that by playing hard HERE.
Do you know if the League would allow us to re-acquire Alfie in the offseason if we were to trade him? That would be interesting if they would.
The league allowed Jersey to trade a Russian Dman with a bad contract who was injured to San Jose with a pick a few years back because SN Jose had cap space so it's not unprecedented. He never played a game for San Jose.
'Alfie is done!'
'Trade Spezza!'
etc etc and all the other bullshit as is the start of the year is somehow surprising?
On paper we are probably the worst team in the league. End of story
We were expected to finish dead last due to a poor blueline and that is showing. Take the wins when they come and continue to cheer them on because we're fans and the Sens are still our team. It's going to be an awful 2 or 3 years before this team competes for the playoffs again but that's the way it's going to be.
If a team decides to add Alfie it will be for depth, not to play on the first line folks, he's not even on our top line...and its only for 2 months, then they lose him to FA...
No way does Van or Wsh do something stupid like that. So take the 2nd or nothing, kinda simple really...
This 100%
Play Lee, sit Gon-Bad, Kub a crap!
I am giving up, they continually to play the bad players regardless of their actions.
So having admitted this, then as much as this hurts it will be time to move our beloved captain Alfie
1)he cares too much to be this bad, you can sense his frustration during the games this year, that at the end of his career he is stuck with a losing team
2)he too has not ruled this out so he may consider going to a contender to win the cup
3)he more than anyone deserves this
4)he will always come back and retire as our beloved captain hopefully with a ring he deserves but will not get here
IMO
Sorry he retires, same thing, Ottawa signs him to a 1 day contract, honour him at SBP, parade, whatever else...
I might scream & yell at them during a game to get the hell off the ice, get the lead out, etc - but I just don't boo.
I always cheer for my team to win. This team has to win some games to have the young players feel better about themselves & maybe compete & not be afraid to make a mistake. I'm sure these young players are feeling a bit of despair right at the moment. It's up to the team leaders to settle them down & lead by example which they haven't actually been doing.
It will be a rough couple of years but a high pick next June & in 2013 would go a long way to getting this team back to the playoffs. But it takes time, it won't happen overnight.
I watched the Leafs game last night & was flabergasted that the Leaf fans booed them off the ice after the 2nd period as they were down 3-1. A team that is off to a good start this season. You say Ottawa fans are bad.
@Tookie -- Boston gave up a ton to get a UFA (Kaberle) for 2 mos... why do you think no team would do it for Alfie?
Whilst they might not be doing a great job now you do need some vets around to provide experience and leadership, you won't get very far with a team consisting solely of 22 year olds.
Also this is real money we are talking about and people have their pride. Melnyk probably won't like looking a complete fool by playing 12 million to have Phillips, Gonchar and Kuba sitting in the press box or in Bingo. You also have to accept it's a cap worls with a floor and there is a maximum number of players you can have on a roster.
I don't understand why some people don't get that rebuilding is painful. We are not in a position to have a bright present and a bright future at the same time. We aren't that powerhouse team anymore.
Pain now for later gain.
Konopka is a PK and faceoff specialist, what in the world are you Winchester supporters smoking today. I like Winchester too, just stop making false claims like these. If you like Winchester more than Konopka just say so, don't quote stats categories he's actually not better at.
As for Gonchar... I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the Sens PP went without a goal since he has been out of the lineup. If they score tonight with him in the lineup.. what does that say? That being said... he is terrible. From watching him it appears he is disinterested. Do Murray & McLean see what we see?
And why is that bad???
The fans let them know that they shouldnt be loosing to a team like winnipeg and look what happened the leafs came back, did the booing have anything to do with it.....probably . The players have 2 choices, pout and be little bitches or step up and make your fans proud...
Nothing wrong with letting the team know how you feel, if you always cheer blindly, they wont think anything is wrong.
My point was Tookie -- that the Leafs are off to a great start. They have not lost in regulation yet. After several bad seasons you would hope the Leaf fans would be happy about that. Yeah they came back.. thanks to back to back PP's.
I think Sens fans would be estatic right now if they were 3-0-1 to start the season.
Redden (His last 2-3 seasons)
Kuba
Mezaros
Leclaire (When he got injured....AGAIN)
Kovalev
Those guys, while with Ottawa, absolutely stunk it up and played with no effort. I'm sorry but if you don't want to be here and play 100% then I'll let you know...
Gonchar + Kuba making $9M/year for the way they play right now is completely unacceptable, and it's not the fans' fault for letting them know!!!
@Tookie -- Boston gave up a ton to get a UFA (Kaberle) for 2 mos... why do you think no team would do it for Alfie?
Yes and your point is??? Boston got epically screwed in that deal. Toronto got WAY more than they wanted.
Bruins end up winning the cup despite having a terrible kaberle....show how much depth they had...
Yes and your point is??? Boston got epically screwed in that deal. Toronto got WAY more than they wanted.
Bruins end up winning the cup despite having a terrible kaberle....show how much depth they had...
Kaberle sucked but you don't know if they would've won without him, they did everything they had to do that led to winning that cup, including making a terrible deal...Nobody will remember that terrible signing though, they'll just remember winning a cup.
Rightfully so cuz of the year we just went through, but booing after a bad showing to let your team know you want more out of them is not being angry nor is it not being happy, its being a good fan!
Some fans do that... but I don't... so does that make me a bad fan?
it shows Sporntned Sens TVA, but I do not see the Ottawa anywhere on Rogers.
Can anyone help?
I know they have played 4 games to the Sens 6 games... but the Sens have as many points as the SJ Sharks. Sens are also 2 pts behind both Boston & Tampa who have played the same # of games.. and all of these 3 teams have much better and experienced players than Ottawa at this point in time.
What a crazy start to the season.
All I can see is channel 500 for tonight. Crap.
Your saying that to properly develop are players we have to loose all year,im sorry dude but that makes no sense to me maybe your the one that needs to think before you post.
I don't think Tookies suggesting that the Sens purposely fold for the rest of the year just to finish in a lottery position. What he is saying is that they are simply not good enough to NOT finish anywhere higher than the bottom 5 despite giving 110% on the ice each game.
He's not hoping for losses, he's just accepting the fact that it’s going to happen with the team we have.
On Rogers - Sportsnet Sens is 450(SD) or 500(HD)
TVA is channel 10 and like 610 or something like that.
I do believe Rogers Cable has this game on 500, right?
After reading comment # 19, posted by Tookie, I truly was
surprised by his "pure & positive statement" and was about to congratulate him on such an excellent comment!
However, Tookie wiped all this positive feedback ,by sinking
into the bottom feeder of the Eastern Conference in order to help the rebuild, by losing and losing ......
and "booing" and "booing" ...........
Tookie has many personalities and is too complex to understand !
WIN SENS WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rockin Robert
Headline " It's time to Revisit the Spezza to Columbus Conversation"
His proposal
To Columbus: Jason Spezza Patrick Wiercioch
To Ottawa : Jeff Cater Ryan Johanson pick
Hehe nice username....Ser iously though, that trade wouldn't work out well for us, Carter would be in the same situation Spezza is in right now, no one to play with on the top line
i think it's sweet to see that your bromance is still going strong - sadly I think it will remain unrequited.
I agree but Johanson and pick go a long way in the rebulid if there willing to give there 1st rd
It's pretty clear that that won't happen. And yes, even if we make the playoffs this year, it would only set our development back if we don't land a major elite forward at the draft.
Remember, we don't play to make the playoffs, we play to win the cup.
All we can really hope for is that the rebuild works its self out as quickly as possible. Do to this, we need to draft well.
"Long range plans in Calgary?? I wouldn't at all be surprised to hear a ton of rumors involving Alfredsson and the Flames..the question is at what point will Ottawa play that card? Earlier they could potentially get a bigger return, but Sens fans would demand a King's ransom for their captain right now...and rightfully so."
I'll admit, if there was any team I'd like to see Alfie play for other than the Sens, it would be the Flames, but they aren't even close to making the playoffs this year, why the hell would Alfie go there? lol
Alfie to Toronto would be the ultimite irony...only kidding!
Alfie to Detroit, Boston, Caps, or even Philly, he could help all of them to glory!
Gonchar doesn't want to get booed? Then he knows exactly what he needs to do.
All because you boo a player on your team that is playing has played like crap for a prolonged period of time, while making millions of dollars, doesn't mean you aren't supporting the TEAM. It means you aren't supporting that player on the team.
If you can't understand that, then that's your problem.
Remember, we don't play to make the playoffs, we play to win the cup.
All we can really hope for is that the rebuild works its self out as quickly as possible. Do to this, we need to draft well.
Murray had the chance last year to bottom out and get the first or second pick but he made it clear that he rather win some games.Remember any team that makes the playoffs has a chance to win the cup and isn't that what they are playing for?
What do you think of Vancouver fans booing Roberto Luongo the other night?
to add to this,
all the "stop booing the players they have feelings, it makes them play worse"
Really... then with all the booing the greatest player in Sens history (Alfie) has endured both home and away, that should only lead him sucking, andto him calling his mommy and asking them to stop"
Wake up Gonchar... take it like a multi million dollar man... you baby!!!
Again in the words of the "STACHE"
"you don't like the booing...play better"...Brill iant!!!
Here's a news update for you. We get 41 home games this season. That is lots of time to jeer whichever of our players you want. So soon in the season, at our 20th anniversary home opener, during the player introductions? Classless and a downer for the entire organization on what should be a night of great celebration.
If you can't understand that, then that makes you a moron.
I don't subscribe to the Sens channel - I hope it is free tonight because of the scheduling conflict.
Stupid SportsNet has like 5 channels. Why can't they keep hockey on our region and have the baseball on all the other channels, and people can choose whatever they want to watch...
Sorry b/c I usually agree with you
but if you say that then I can say cheering a selfish careless shitty hockey player makes you a sucker
You have 37 more home games, and you choose to start calling me a 'moron' this soon into the season, on a pre-game blog. That really is classless and a downer...
See how your "argument" sounds if you put it that way?
P.S. I didn't realize the 20th anniversary home opener was ruined because Gonchar and Kuba were booed? I'm pretty sure that night turned out to be pretty damn good.
Oh please, are you a woman? Just curious.
I can play this game too... And you clearly have never heard the old saying, "No time like the present".
Anyone who calls the other side morons, is the worst example of class in the first place.
also, it is pretty classless to boo gonchar at the start of the home-opener. 30-40 games into the season, boo him all you want.
also, eklund has lost his mind.....he is saying alfredsson to calgary today....:S....
it's not about hurting gonchars' feelings. i dont' think anyone on here feels bad for gonchar or kuba.
it's about the message you send the young player, the effect on the rest of team ie. I'm sure alfie loves it at least when he gets booed he knows it fucktard leaf fans.
topic is dead -agree to disagree. some of us have class and some of us don't.
Chirp brought it up in his post today, so apparently he wants to keep talking about it...
Chirp started it... Haha.
Gonch or Kuba or some other lazy floundering vet makes a lazy, shitty play tonight? Go right ahead and boo your asses off, that is what I would do. Before puck drop the other night? Not my style.
Let's hope this is the last we hear of jeering the players or hoping we lose for some dork named NAIL for a long time...
after the ridiculous thing you just wrote what side are the the class or classless...tha nks for proving us right, Zippy!!!
Pfffft nice attempt at an insult buddy...
I'll take that as a yes.
We'll revisit this conversation in a couple of months when word leaks out that a team has made a solid offer for Alfie but he wants to retire a lifetime Senator, and then you can go jeer him every time he touches the puck along with all the leafs fans.
Stay classy San Diego!
What on earth, does that have to do with Gonchar being booed? Now your just grasping at straws, trying to draw a parallel to the Gonchar incident, with some hypothetical situation involving Alfredsson. Pretty weak actually...
If we made the playoffs and won a lot of games because Filatov Ziby Dacosta Butler Spezza Karlsson Rundblad Cowan Greening and others develop and play lights out, how does that hurt the team not getting the first draft pick or being in the bottom.
Really what you are saying is we have no talent and need to get some in the draft for the next three years before we are any good.
I want to see us play great this year and develop and win some games and get confidence.
The only way I want to see us pick first is getting a first pick from another team that bottoms out.
I don't care if we lose games as long as we play well and develop.
What we need is for the vets to play lights out and show the young guys how its done.
Gonchar and Kuba included, loss or win.
I hope Rundblad scores tonight.
No it is drawing a parallel between two classless activities that I'm not surprised some 'fans' here would resort to.
Think the Alfie scenario is far fetched? Talk to me when it happens, mark my words.
The politically correct zealots that are calling the booing classless, are only using the 20th anniversary thing as a convenient excuse.
You would have a point if the fans were chanting "Gonchar Sucks" or "Kuba Sucks" when they were celebrating the 1991-92 team, or something similar. But as the current players names were announced, negative, that's just making stuff up to suit your argument.
No genius, I'm saying the two things would have nothing to do with each other. Nor would the people booing Gonchar, necessarily be the same people booing Alfredsson. Similarly, the people supporting one side of this argument, wouldn't necessarily be supporting the other fictional argument.
The fact that I just had to explain that in that much detail, was kinda disappointing.
Why don't we just agree that you think I'm a lady and that I think you have a dumbass stance on this booing bullshit, and let's leave it at that.
Cheers!
atlanta drafted a bunch of very early picks a few years back and that didn't help them win much. the sens got a couple of first overalls back in the day and we know how that turned out. weather the islanders rebuild works is still to be seen. columbus, florida and st. louis have all been very close to the bottom for a long time and have little to show for it.
Brian Murray is the key. I think he has made a few very bone headed moves but i gotta have faith in him.
I'll take that as a small victory.
This website is about "our game " and "our team" !
Enough on "our booing", so let's focus on the game of hockey, and only post comments reflecting "our positive class"
Rockin Robert
I personally would like to get yakupov(even though i have never been a fan of russian hockeyplayers) but he seems to have the stats to undo my opinion of his nationality. nevertheless bottoming out isnt the key.
also, being on a forever losing team can canker your rookies' growth.
side note. i find nothing wrong with booing kuba and gonchar. lucky they arent in montreal.
So very true. How we are able to surround our young players (when they come into the league), with solid veterans, will be of paramount importance.
I'm hoping, by then, that Bryan Murray will name a successor, with a better chance (track record) of making pro-player personnel decisions.
Next year should be an improvement 1 full year into a re-build.
I know I've mentioned it before -- and the Sens have been downright terrible in all but 2 games... does it matter that their opponents... for both home and road games have a combined record of 22-1-2.
And yes Tookie -- I'm going to mention the Leafs... they have played all of their games at home against teams with a combined record of 5-14-3 . They have been playing well... but it is obvious Ottawa has played against the tougher opponent.
Any comments?
UFAs:
Kuba, Filip
Auld, Alex
Winchester, Jesse
Carkner, Matt
Konopka, Zenon
Parrish, Mark
Conboy, Tim
Lessard, Francis
McKenna, Mike
Locke, Corey
RFAs:
Filatov, Nikita
Da Costa, Stephane
Karlsson, Erik
Foligno, Nick
Regin, Peter
Lee, Brian
O'Brien, Jim
Gryba, Eric
Daugavins, Kaspars
Cannone, Pat
Schira, Craig
The most interesting part is that we don't have 1 single significant UFA that we would be worried about losing. I could see 1 of Konopka or Carkner being resigned from the UFA list as a spare part (if that), but I don't see the rest returning. All the RFAs on the other hand look like they will be worthy of another contract.
Talk about out with the old, in with the new!
i think the point realists are trying to get across to the head in the clouds fans is that there is no reason to get upset and rant when the sens lose. everyone is a sens fan but some have realized already a terrible season for the sens is better for this team moving forward then a few more wins and finishing 9th is
Is this debate still not ending ??
Let's talk hockey, not why we should lose, to move forward.
Rockin Robert
I've been waiting for this game for 15 years.
Here's my proof:
http://i.imgur.com/Yka3d.jpg
Hope the players skate the Jets into the ice,
that nobody "boos" our players, and that Alfie
does not try to win a cup elsewhere, and remains
a loyal veteran, just to stick it to Sundin !!
Rockin Robert
I wonder what Erik K will ask for. Will he be looking for a $100M deal? I'd expect him to ask for at least $65M, over 9-10 YRS. He's the cornerstone of our franchise, and anything less than $50M will be disrespectful.
Take a page from us here in Winnipeg. We give standing ovations for 5-1 losses.
Hope the players skate the Jets into the ice,
that nobody "boos" our players, and that Alfie
does not try to win a cup elsewhere, and remains
a loyal veteran, just to stick it to Sundin !!
Stick it to Sundin huh? The same Sundin that refused a trade at the deadline because he wanted to remain a Leaf? And then at seasons end when he was a UFA, he met with Burkie and he told Sundin that bringing him back would not benefit there rebuild? What is there to stick to Sundin exactly?
Did bruins fans consider Bourque to be unloyal to them when he won a cup with Colorado? I don't think so!!! I hope Alfie does pursue a cup elsewhere. I would love to see him retire with a ring and entire the hall of fame with a Stanley cup. I don't think he'll be a hall of famer unless he gets that hardware!!
It's not very likely for a team to win a cup and be able to take on an aging star.
If we did trade him to a contender, he'd most likely still not win the cup that year, and it would just be a big waste.
I think Alfie knows that. And I think he wants to retire in Ottawa.
Thanks again! You rock!
This is a must win for the Senators, from a DIGNITY standpoint.
GO SENS GO
How would it be a waste...we would have a 1-2 round pick and he would have one last shot...then return to the team in some sort of advisory role.
Everyone wins and is happy.
It's downright horrid.
That was a really good PP, I thought. As good as one can be without a goal or 2.
Haha you jinxed it!!
Playing well so far, all things considered. Down by one, but it was a blast by Byfuglien.
Goaltenders are playing insane.
Dont say that too much Sandy says he is the NEXT CHRIS KELLY hahaha
Chris Kelly could actually skate and has some skill. Sure ppl can say Condra is a smart player like Kelly, bu he couldn't skate to save his life.
Butler hasn't been sitting the last few games, he's been out with a groin injury
I agree with you 100 percent
FAIL FOR NAIL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
I just want to say a big thanks for streaming all the games so far. I'm in that blue and white team's territory and can't watch a single ottawa game. I really appreciate it.
Ditto here (different Blue and White though) (Currently watching TSN Jets. lol).
But every other night, Streamer is my hero.
http://atdhenet.tv/40338/watch-winnipeg-vs-ottawa
Lucic is a freaking MONSTER!! Man when that guy is mad get the F$#$@ out da way!!!
agree 100% - he has played amazing since but that was pathetic - I thought he broke his arm and was in shock
Like crap but the Jets are even crappier!! lol
Boring ass game, no energy, no flow, ugly goals...
Sens up 2-1 halfway through P3.
Is it really that bad????
Spezza's goal was ok I guess, short side top shelf...but yeah its meh...
It has been an extremely sloppy, boring, basic game.
We can always win the lottery!
That's right, we won't be drafting Yakupov - too bad, so sad - time to focus on Forsberg!
Man do the Jets ever look disorganized out there.
Don't write-off Yakupov just yet though. There's still a lot of hockey to play. The Jets played last night and still put up more shots than we did. Anderson stood tall and the Sens executed on their few scoring chances.
If Spezza and michalek miss any significant time as they usually do, we'll be he'd pressed to win a game.
Couldn't ask for anything more.
Though I wish Karlsson would have gotten a point tonight. Really think he can get 80 this year
Great night in Hockey!
We played well and got some confidence started, keep them coming.
Andersons back :}
All you guys shitting on the team have nothing to shit on about the game tonight.
If you are not happy about this win do us a favor and cheer for another team.
Play another weak team next in Columbus and it would be nice to see filatov get called up to light up his old team.
Good night at the rink.
He MAY be after 2 or 3 yrs.... but he is still basically a rookie just like the rest of them. Is he the only player in the lineup that is struggling?
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