One thing we do know? The Edmonton Oilers like Erik Karlsson. They asked about him at the draft so the idea that they may be asking about him again seems to make some sense.
Thing is the Senators like him too.
Outside of Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and possibly Eberle, there really isn’t much that Ottawa would consider in a deal for Karlsson. Rundblad is another name that seems to be popping up but again, the Oilers would have to be willing to part with one of the big three for Ottawa to listen.
If Ottawa is going to move one of their defensive prospects, it seems as though Patrick Wiercioch would be the leading candidate. He has been passed over on the depth chart and is someone the Sens would consider moving. If the Oilers want one of the big three in Karlsson, Rundblad or Cowen, they would have to be willing to move one of Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jordan Eberle before the Sens would even listen.
But like I said, these rumours are largely based on speculation due to the areas of strength for each of these organizations.
- The Ottawa Senators took the ice just after 11:00 AM this morning ahead of tomorrow night’s match up with the Philadelphia Flyers. Gonchar and Butler both missed practice. Craig Anderson was also away for personal reasons but is expected to return tomorrow.
- Recently demoted Nikita Filatov continued his strong start with the Binghamton Senators. He scored his third goal in three games last night and racked up four points over the weekend. It’s going to be really difficult for the Sens to keep him down there much longer if he continues that pace.
Hell yes!
Only player I would consider from EDM is Eberle...
I'd take RNH or Hall over Eberle.
Snoopy Senior, has put him against the wall,
and he is now on this latest topic, avoiding rebutals !!
Rockin Robert
Butler is on IR.
stick to the plans guys and see them through!
honestly, the sens should try dangling phillips at some point he is getting up there and is definitely not as sharp anymore. Maybe a change of scenery will help him find a few good years on his home-stretch so to speak. I think his play dropped ridiculously last year. Volchenkov leaving had an effect on his play for sure.
I replied to you on the other topic and put you to shame, you tend gave up and declared the war over, lol!
You sure use all the ruse you can !
You never "put me to shame", young businessman !!
Never "declared the war over" Just said tirade had gone on long enough, and called it off !!
He's already there according to the Ottawa Senators website
http://senators.nhl.com/club/roster.htm
We need to be patient and get a top 3 pick this year such as forsberg, to go with zibby, stone, puempel, silffberg, filatov, spezza, regin, dacosta, etc.
With our defence and if/when Lehrner develops, we beat edmonton for the cup in 2016.
Lee for Gagner?
I'd be more than OK with that and I think it suits both sides. Not a blockbuster trade by any means either.
Too take a quote from Jeff Ross at the Roast of Charlie Sheen, Tookie..."If you honestly see yourself as "winning" in all of this, then there is something wrong with the f'n scoreboard".
You must be the pride and joy of the watercooler-cha t-club with your "employees" with your positive and charming demeanour.
little grasshopper, out.
forsberg zibby silffberg The sweedish connection
Plus rundblad, karlsson, lehrner.
Plus we have tons of cash for quality ufa's
3-4 years from now we are the number one team in the east by far and toronto fans are scratching their heads wondering what happened?
i honestly think lee is better than gagner. gagner was over hyped when he was in junior getting almost 120 poitns but that was because he played on a line with patrick kane who got 145points. i was also a big fan of gagner but watching him play, his lack of size and number of injuries, i say no thank you.
maybe something like gagner for wiercioch and a 2nd(or 3rd..). that i would accept.
Lee is becoming a top 4 d man, they take longer to develop!
Lee Karlsson
Cowen Rundblad
Wiercoch Quality ufa Looks pretty good to me in a few years.
I'm a big Lee fan too, but he's nothing but a 5/6 team man for this club and that's all he ever will be. I just hate seeing talent benched like Lee who could easily be playing Gonchar minutes and playing like he gives a damn.
I'd love it if some team would take Wiercioch off our hands. I've yet to be impressed with anything he does.
How are we defining "tanking?" I hope any sens team shows up every night and works their asses off. That is entertaining regardless of the score. the 7-1 throttling last week wont be the last one we get this year but look at how we rebounded, with a great effort against likely, the team that will finish first overall this year. I tell you, if this team tanks on purpose, they have lost this ticket holder forever. drafts are fine but the real value is in the later rounds. The Red Wings do fine without a first round pick most years.
And - I don't think the early sens teams "tanked" - they flat out lost because they were baaaaaaad. but I agree with the other posters, our top 5 picks have always been brutal so doenst really make a case for needing top 5 picks the next few years to be successful. if we can get them, fine but it isnt critical.
That is the exact trade I was thinking may be being discussed. I think it makes perfect sense for both teams. Both of them may benefit from a change of scenery, and a probable rise up the depth chart.
im sorry but i will have to completly dissagree with you. red wings are a one of a kind franchise that hit the jackpot a few times with late round steals, we havent seem them do that in a few years now and i honestly think the wings are finally on their decline.. look at the teams like washington, chicago, pittsburg, and soon enough i believe islanders and edmonton can join that list of teams (if they fix their D and goalies.. diff story tho). they all had several chances to draft top 3 or so and look at them today. hate to break it to you, this is the best way to rebuild if you want long term success.
Cowen is a big shut down defence that you have to have on your team.
RNH is going to be a top 10 player in the league. Add him with Zibby and maybe Forsberg and you have the makings of a powerhouse for years to come.
Look at Florida, Columbus and Atlanta/Winnipe g. There is no guaranteed success.
atlanta drafted first overall once, and got kovulchuk. the team just didnt know how to rebuild properly.
They also drafted Patrick Stefan first overall. Bunch of other top 5 picks too.
columbus have only had 1 first overall pick and thats rick nash, the rest of their first rounders didnt seem to pan out for them because they rushed all their prospects. florida havent had a 1st overall pick since jovanovski in i believe 94, since then the team has drafted lots of garbage however they are gunna be a good team soon, since 2008 they have drafted guys like jacob markstrom (said to be the best goalie prospect),kulik ov, gudbranson, huberdeau. they might be doing things right finally.
weircoch + 2nd + 3rd for eberle
everyone always uses those three teams as a reason why picks don't matter but, fail to mention those teams also do not have owners who can spend to surround the picks with quality players. Florida, Columbus, and Atlanta were/are struggling to stay afloat and not worried about spending to the max to put the best team on the ice they can. You can have 1 or 2 number one picks but if you cant surround them with quality, you lose.
That argument does not hold water.
Says you...
Its pretty logical since the Sens are doing it, wouldnt you think?
to me that still looks like selling rundblad short. edmonton has amazing forward prospects, but omark is not going to cut it for rundblad. if people have looked at rundblad's offensive game properly, they will realize the guy is almost a top six forward himself. not to mention he brings some decent size too and is not afraid of contact (evidence: the legal elbow fling his gave to backstrom to send him flying).
and yeah, you do seem to typically see the same teams drafting in the top 10 year after year. That isnt a good thing. And, I wouldnt be so fast as to say Pittsburgh, Washington, or the hawks are enjoying long term success. They are going to be good for a long time but will they enjoy the same long term success the wings have? Remains to be seen. highly probable, but remains to be seen.
And admittedly, I am as big a Wings fan as I am a sens fan so there is bias there but they don't hit the "jackpot" they create the jackpot. Darren Helm anyone?
I am on the side that would prefer to squeak into the playoffs than get the first overall pick. Anything can happen when you're in and the Sens best years are ahead of them.
Cuz their GM's are idiots, Murray is a great GM.
Because Cowan and Phillips both play the left side.
"bust" first overall picks dont happen much. the last person to bust as a first overall pick compared to their expectations was dipietro in 2000. and stefan in 99. its been over a decade since a first overall pick just completly fails to meet set expectations.
Offer us Gagne plus your 2012 first for Rundblad and I would seriously have to consider it.
We get a number 2 centre for our team right now, and possibly we draft Yakupov and Forsberg.
I dont think ottawa has that urgent of a need for top six forwards in their rebuild process as edmonton has for defensemen. ottawa still has forward prospects in the line, not to mention they racked up two other guys in the first round this year aside from zibanejad (noesen and puempel). with silfverberg in the pipeline along with the chance of filatov panning out and the added cap space for the forseeable future to grab top end UFAs, ottawa is well set to maximise its options in a streamlined steady fashion.
edmonton on the other hand has nothing of note in the system on defense and is in panic now because of it.
I'd say pass on Gagner, another young forward brought into the mix WAY too early, also somewhat injury prone these days and on the IR now isn't he?
It's funny none of the talk is surrounding Hemsky these days. He's Edmonton's version of Spezza with trade talks.
Could we be that lucky?
Hell I would even throw in a third.
NO NEED TO RUSH. RUNDBLAD+KARLSS ON+COWEN, along with eventually lee and gryba + maybe wiercioch (if he is still interested) + whoever else. that D will be the envy of the league.
If Rundblad gets us Gagne and Forsberg and we pick up Yakupov, I would say we get closer to the cup.
But I agree with what you are saaying.
http://senators.nhl.com/v2/ext/Audio/111017_MacLean.mp3
he does say that anderson is dealing with family problems and will be at here tomorrow.
Tookie... I agree... I really like Eberle. But the Sens are not trading a player named Karlsson, Cowen or Rundblad to get him.
If Edm and Ott are really talking, Ottawa should be in full control of the outcome here because Edm would be the one in need. My only concern is BM doesn't have the best track record when it comes to trades, he's a much better draft specialist!
I found some juicy info about his trade history on silversevensens .com, check it out below if interested.
http://welcometoyourkarlssonyears.com/2011/04/18/a-brief-history-of-time-totally-narrow-minded-edition/
Chirp... did they actually say what the injury was? I don't remember reading or hearing it?
Not Moving (Edmonton)
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Taylor Hall
Jordan Eberle
Not Moving (Ottawa)
Erik Karlsson
David Rundblad
Jared Cowen (to a certain extent)
Jason Spezza
We can have all the Da Costa, Michalek, Gagner & Hemsky talk all we want, those 7 aren't moving, period.
What about Gryba and Ben Blood?
And just to report, when I say found on silversevensens .com, that's where I found the link to this website. The link it's a silversevensens .com report. Just wanted to clear that up! Cheers
Apparently from what I remember, Butler has a groin related injury . Chirp should confirm it !
Rockin Robert
kinda surprised you both didnt even mention borowiecki who i like the most in our D depth after the karlsson rundblad cowen lee.
Thanks for clearing that up Mr. Murray. Whats that?, you aren't Mr. Murray? and you are clueless? Thanks for coming out....
Haha that would be a slap in the face for Edmonton, dont just throw up silly trade offers.
God I hate it when Tookie makes sence.
You would be surprised, like one poster said, we have 2 of the same in Rundblad & Karlsson, it wouldnt hurt our back end but would upgrade our forward ranks a ton!!
Its a groin injury...
yea the sens right now have the chance again of having a defense better than that one along with better forwards.
edmonton needs defense to even be half-respectabl e. ottawa needs only time to be back to elite. lets put it this way, we have some of what edmonton has on forwards, but we have a gold mine compared to what edmonton has on defense (they have nothing). not to mention we have goaltending depth. the sum of our team right now is greater than theirs and the sens should be the ones calling the shots on any trade with edmonton.
edmonton needs defenseman and wants them too ASAP.
ottawa wants great top six forwards...but can afford to wait for them.
That way the sens could conceivably get 2 picks in the top 5 for the next draft.
Of course that plan becomes a crock of shit if Edmonton turn out to be even close to decent this year.
Possibly our future franchise player..
Yeah but by then, if Edmonton is at the bottom of the league again, that pick becomes way more expensive to get, if it is at all available...
Would you chance moving Rundblad for a pick that may or may not be good though? Wiercioch sure, but not one of the big 3 D.
http://senators.nhl.com/v2/ext/PDFs/Prospect_Update-171011.pdf
No I would trade Rundblad or Karlsson straight up for Eberle.
The idea that Edm has to put a 1st round pick is absurd.
Eberle in a few years will be putting up 80+ points, while Karlsson will be in the high 50's possibly 60's.
No one said they have to put up a 1st, but if Eberle, RNH, MPS or Hall aren't in the deal it would be difficult to see a trade that works for Rundblad without the 1st. As in Omark or Gagne + crap for Rundblad isn't worth it.
Karlsson put up 45 pts in 75 games last year, no way would I trade him for Eberle.
Im telling you this guy is special, just the fact that bolted out of Russia to play in Canada and live in Canada at 16 years old, shows me he is driven to play in the NHL.
I watch every Sarnia game, he is the Turkish Crosby, no doubt. I'll even go as far as to say better than Crosby. He plays on a shitty team and makes everyone around him much better.
Enough said, Tookie be crazy!
Eberle put up 43 in 69 with a much worse team and WAY less minutes!.
I might be but what if I'm right!
As a scoring forward, he should put up more points.
I'll leave it there, you obviously feel really strong about both Eberle and Yakupov. Not trying to convince you differently, just disagreeing with you.
There you just proved my point, if were gonna have a scoring D or a scoring F, which would you rather have?
No brainer, the scoring F, since he will put up more points.
It's difficult to gauge the value comparison between a forward and a defenceman. If you were starting up a new franchise and had to build a team around a choice of Lidstrom or Datsyuk, I would take Lidstrom. I think s premiere defenceman has more value to a team than a forward. Therefore I wouldn't trade Karlson straight up for Eberle.
my point about ottawa being able to afford the time required to restock up front still stands. edmonton cannot rely on the time due to the nature of defensemen, they HAVE to resort to wheeling and dealing to get a decent D. Ottawa can easily lay back, draft and sign top UFAs and come out as a much better powerhouse at the end of the race.
I would take Datsyuk, no question...And your comparing apples to oranges here with Lidstrom and Datsyuk.
Lidtsrom is the greatess all around D to play the game, Karlsson is only offensive, he cant defend his net for the lif of him.
Were talking about 2 players wanetd for their scoring, it favours the F, plus we have Rundblad to replace Karlsson. or vice versa but with Rundblad we will have to add something to sweeten the deal.
Then a potential line for next year could be Pajjarvii - Zibanejad - Silverberg. I like !!!
And the most probable 1st And 2nd lines would be ...
Yakupov - Spezza - Filatov / Butler
Michalek - DaCosta - Alfredsson
Then...
Pajjarvi - Zibanejad - Silverberg
Greening / Condra - Z.Smith - Neil
Then you leave yourself the option of trading Foligno, Butler, Condra, Regin or Greening
...and having an extremely competitive camp
Karlsson is already an obvious hole, he's not wanted for his defensive play but for his scoring, Eberle would score more and probably plays better D aswell, lol.
Edm is probably looking at Cowen and not Karlsson tho.
I sure hope you don't seriously believe that and it's just one of your attempts to start a debate. I take the D every single time, unless of course you meant Gretzky vs Ozolinsh.
So Tookie doesn't actually watch sens games. Obviously missed Karlsson vs Ovechkin!
I don't think so. As Chirp said, EDM was interested in Karlsson at the deadline and what they really need is a blue chip puck mover/offensive defenceman. They already have a couple big defensive d-men in their prospect pool
best Cowen: Rob Blake
worst Cowen: Chris Phillips
best Karlsson: no one reached level
worst Karlsson: Toby Enstrom
best rundblad: Dion Phaneuf
worst rundblad: Flip Kuba
with the luck Ottawa has been having in the past couple of years we should look in the worst case scenario I personally think flip kuba is worse than chris phillips so I think we should trade rundblad.
Murray has built up the defense with prospects.. why would he trade one of the top 3 away? It really makes no sense. Who cares if Rundblad is similar to Karlsson.. who said you can't have 2 PMD? You have Cowen, Gryba, Blood, Lee as defensive D to choose from.. or whoever else they draft.
The Sens need more picks for the next draft. I can't see them with the 12 they had last season.. but I believe they have 8 so far going into the next draft? 1 in the 1st round; 2 in the 2nd round, and one in each of the other rounds -- correct?
That's from Garrioch.
Ovie is struggling, CAR, TB and OTT have shut him down, not exactly good defensive teams, so before you continue to make an ass of yourself, check the facts before posting something.
He has 1 goal in 4 games...not typical Ovie.
Gryba and Blood wont make this team in the near future, imo, Blood is NCAA and not rdy at all to play NHL, he's like Carkner 0.5. Gryba maybe but he's got alot of work to do.
Phillips in return for a used Oilers jersey
E6
Thats not a good move by MacLean but he must have his reasons.
He's probably feeling the pressure of being the HC, you want to play your best players in every situation, its just that PK and EK dont go together, lol!
And I know some of you on here love Michalek...but I really don't get it. He hasn't even put up a 40pt season for us yet, and has knee issues. I say if some team buys his hot start, get all the value you can for him.
Watching games > Reading Stats
karlsson was all over Ovie and if he wasn't Ovie would have been on the score sheet
Ben Blood comes out of the NCAA next season. He won't make it immediately into the NHL that's a given. He will need time in Bingo. But the Sens D of the future will be in about 3 or 4 years once Kuba (gone after this season) Gonchar and Phillips are gone.
Fact: Alexander Ovechkin is the premiere scoring forward in the NHL and is always the most dangerous guy on the ice.
Fact: Offensive players struggle when defensemen play defense well against them.
Opinion: it could be that Ovie has struggled because the defensemen are playing him well.
We'd be fine with either player. My preference goes towards Forsberg because I think he would be a better fit with our team, but I'll wait until after seeing how each player plays at the world juniors with teammates they've never played with before.
I'm guessing you're making this statement just based off numbers... be careful. These stats don't compare well. 150 pts in junior could land us with a Patrick Kane: good, just not fantastic. On the other hand, guys like Forsberg, Sundin and the Sedins all had 14-15 pts in the SEL in their draft years. Its because 17 year olds usually don't play very much.
Those are no facts, LOL.
Fact 1: Ovie WAS the premiere scoring F in the NHL, that now belongs to Stamkos/Crosby/ D. Sedin.
Fact 2: Offensive players struggle when GOOD defensemen play defense well against them. Karlsson is not a GOOD defensive defenceman.
Opinion: Nobody on CAR, TB or OTT can handle Ovie, just watch passed years. The only person holding down Ovie is Ovie.
Those are facts!
??? Kane is elite, I mean he's a tier below Crosby and Ovechkin, but he is amazing to watch.
Although I'm high on Yakupov, cuz I watch him every other day...I would like to see Forsberg aswell, gonna try and get more on him, he plays for Leksand?
Damn, wouldnt you want Kane in Ottawa, you crazy man!
There's a reason why the respected analysts all have Forsberg slotted right behind Yakupov. He has size, grit and a ton of skill: basically everything that we need.
The bonus for Forsberg is that he's Swedish, and assuming there are no cap inplications, just based on the makeup of our team I see very, very slim chances of him leaving as a UFA.
Yakupov doesn't have 12 people who speak his language in Ottawa and MAY opt for the Kovalchuk route. I'm not saying that he's cut from the same cloth as those other Russian guys... but its something that will be thought about very carefully.
Kane is a top line player, no question. But we won't be seeing his name on the Art Ross or Hart trophy any time soon. Nobody would take Kane over Ovechkin, but Ovechkin had a low point total his draft year because, like Forsberg, he played against men. If we get this chance, it could be our ONLY chance in a long time to get a generational talent.
And yes, Forsberg plays for Leksand
Yak live's in Canada, he speaks english a little bit, i'm pretty sure he's taking english lessons...
But yeah most our team is Swedish :) I bet they all hang out at IKEA.
watch his interviews on youtube. he speaks very fluent english. better than many swedes we have.
Craig Button's top 30 Draft List
WAIT, WAIT A SECOND...
WHY IN THE **** are we discussing the draft and we're not even out of October yet... DAMN YOU TOOKIE!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
Even last year I wouldn't accept losing, even though winnning took away any chance we had at drafting RNH, Lando, or Strome
As a Die Hard fan who worships the Sens I hate seeing my team lose, no matter what.
This team is shown they are not going to roll over and just die, 5 games into the season they're able to outplay the Caps? Our sophmore defensemen flatout dominates the best sniper/most explosive forward in the NHL? this team is going to get better and better, and while I don't expect Ottawa to make the playoffs I wouldn't be surprised if we did, 5 Games in, 5! so unlike a select few here I'm going to cheer just as hard, watch everygame like I have the last 20 years just as frequently, and laugh in the faces of those who said they couldn't if they do.
Don't be fooled, they can do it
Even last year I wouldn't accept losing, even though winnning took away any chance we had at drafting RNH, Lando, Scheifele or Strome
What are you talking about, Ottawa could have drafted Scheifele, and I'm not sure why you think he is better than Zibanejad. You can't base anything off of preseason stats
Yeah I love when people toss out the most ridiculous trade offers. So a project defensemen who hasn't yet shown he can crack the NHL for..... a very promising winger currently in the NHL, DEAL!
It's like someone on the Edmonton HFboard said something a long the lines of Jones+Omark for Rundblad, which is just laughable.
Just woke up. (Night worker)
Fixed
He won't be on Crosby's level because let's face it, when Sid is healthy he's the undisputed greatest player in the world. I see Yakupov being on he same level as Stamkos, Ovie, or Malkin though, and who wouldn't want a player like that?
read my above posts. Would you rather have a career 1000 pt. guy for 20 years, or a career 1500 pt. guy for 5 years?
Strictly hypothetical.
Strictly hypothetical.
What's makes you think that Yakupov would leave Ottawa and any other player wouldn't? It's a silly question my man.
If we end up with the first overall pick in June then we would be crazy not to draft Yakupov. He's the consensus #1 by a mile. Mind you, a lot can change between now and draft day.
Depends...do we win the cup at least once while that 1500 pt guy is on our team?? I also fail to understand why he can't stay on our team but I will play your game.
Yakupov--->Datsyuk
Zibanejad--->Zetterberg
:) just sayin'...
let's say we don't win a cup until either player is at least 25. I don't think that really matters anyway.
Here I'm not even insinuating that Forsberg is the better player. My point is that, in my opinion, there is no risk in taking Forsberg because he's Swedish. You NEVER hear of a Swedish player asking for a trade; they are always so loyal to their franchises. And that's not just Alfredsson, that's Sundin, Forsberg, Lidstrom, and the Sedin twins.
I will state again that I'm not saying that Yakupov is a Yashin or Kovalchuk or all the other Russians who messed up their team. I'm saying that there is the undeniable risk of that. Nobody can know how Yakupov will fit into this team.
I will state again that I'm not saying that Yakupov is a Yashin or Kovalchuk or all the other Russians who messed up their team. I'm saying that there is the undeniable risk of that. Nobody can know how Yakupov will fit into this team.
I understand what your saying and in sheer honesty I agree with the prejudice towards Russian players alot of them care about the $ ...but I would never pass on a clear cut #1 talent and take the #2 just cause there is a CHANCE he could bolt...look at Heatley hes Canadian and he's bolted on 2 teams
By here, you mean North America, not Ottawa. Yakupov will play in the NHL for 20 years... but it might not all be for one team.
Personally though, I would much prefer to have Yakupov for less of his career(although I still don't think it is certain he plays for more than one team) and win the cup with him than have anyone else for their whole career and never win the big series.
I understand what your saying and in sheer honesty I agree with the prejudice towards Russian players alot of them care about the $ ...but I would never pass on a clear cut #1 talent and take the #2 just cause there is a CHANCE he could bolt...look at Heatley hes Canadian and he's bolted on 2 teams
Not to mention Lindros. Asshole didn't even put on Quebec's jersey. Again though... never read about a Swede who's done that.
Its obvious that the organization LOVES Swedes.
2008: moved UP to draft Karlsson even though he easily could have been available when we picked.
2010: traded away 16th overall pick (Tarasenko) for David Rundblad, these were two players of comparible talent levels.
2011: selected Mika Zibanejad 6th overall ahead of higher ranked players like Couturier.
A few injuries to us and we are 100% dead last(and we have a few major injuries every season)
What did we get for the last big name Russian we drafted?
Spezza
Chara
There is no denying the organization loves Swedes....Which honestly kinda scares me right now.
If we have the first overall pick in June, I won't be surprised at all if we use it for something other than selecting Yakupov. That doesn't mean picking Forsberg at #1, that could mean trading down. Hopefully, the GM with the #2 pick is as ignorant as N8ball85 and we make an absolute killing. Remember, one player does not a team make. A lot of the pieces Colorado got in the Lindros deal went on the be key members of their two cup winning teams. Philly never won with Lindros.
Milbury isn't a GM anymore.
But Tookie, Karlsson WAS playing against Ovey... and from what I hear (did not see all of the game) and what I saw I understood he played very well.
We don't have the salary to ditch 3-4 players again this year. Even moving any two of Michalek/Goncha r/Kuba would be difficult unless we took some money+term back. So if we wanted the team's first round pick we'd also have to take on some high priced plug for a couple of years to do it.
Signing a free agent is a possibility but only once they reach the off season since there wouldn't be any high salary FAs around at the deadline. I don't know exactly how the salary cap works though, it may be the case that we have paid the players enough of their contract by the deadline that trading them at that point wouldn't send us below the floor.
Jeff Carter Broken Foot agent saying they might shut him down ...Give me Ryan Johanson ill give you a Jason Spezza...
FAIL FOR NAIL!!!!
The cap is actually administered on a daily basis. Only in emergency situations can you go under/over due to injuries/call ups. The Flames were stupid enough to dress only 17 skaters for a few games last year because they didn't put players on LTIR removing them from the cap hit.
I think Columbus just might have to sweeten that offer. I think Nizzy is Scott Howson!
Talented forwards always come along, defensemen with the skill set and potential of Blads don't come along very often.
Got to keep the big 3.
ThreeWay Pondering
To Edm: Wiercioch, Ott 2nd (Nashville's)
To Ott: Stastny
To Col: Paajarvi, Gonchar
If the Avs trade Ststny they're going to have to take back salary to stay above the floor. Obviously very unlikely
Hell just make things simple Feaster and BM
Kuba for Jokinen.
Would only be for a year, I'd rather have Jokinen over Kuba all things considered, you?
Spezza is worth more, but we should absolutely see if someone wants to make a big offer for him. We're rebuilding. That's what it takes.
Don't get me wrong, I love spezza, but we arent a contender, and likely arent next year. Young, high ceiling prospect and a first would be great.
There you go a little sweeter haha
Spezza for Johanson Marc Methot
Getting warmer, but there would have to be more salary coming back. Otherwise we are way under the cap.
agreed however in the long run drafting that asshole helped that franchise lol...maybe we can be just as lucky
Too bad Spezza isn't worth anymore unless CLB wants to unload Huselius
Already think Johanson and Methot is over payment ..
Hopefully this Gonchar being "hurt" and Edmonton wanting to make a D trade have something to do with one another :)
I'd give up Gonchar from freakin Dubnyk.
The problem is their cap hit isn't even half of Spezza's. I do think it would be a decent trade though.
JAson Spezza 7 million
Ryan Johanson 1.945 million
Marc Methot .. 3.0 million ..5.945 to 7 million
Anyone but Horcoff. What a horrific contract!
And Fuck I'm getting sick and tired of saying this
BM IS NOT TRADING SPEZZA!
and he better not trade Karlsson, Rundblad or Cowen!
You know this for 100 percent ..who's your sources ?
I getting Sick of people who bitch and complain about the team but dont wanna do what it takes too fix it ...
I didn't realize Methot made $3 mil, and rookie bonuses count this year.
I'm not one of the ones bitching and complaining about the team.
I choose to be a little more optimistic then 95% of the rest out there FYI
It would be FOOLISH to trade Spezza at this point. BM isn't foolish, thats my source.... ME. If he were to end up getting traded I'd admit I was wrong, but IMO there isn't a snowballs chance in hell of it happening anytime soon.
As for "Tanking" or "Fail for Nail" If BM wants the 1st overall pick he has assets to trade for it. It will be availble until the player is picked,,, for the right price.
They still could have moved the pick on draft day and have been just as well off. They knew that Lindros didn't want to play for them. The fiasco that came after just showed that to the other teams, which in today's NHL would significantly hurt his value.
Another hypothetical here... lets say Ottawa is at 1 and Winnipeg is at 2. Winnipeg offers up the 2nd pick, Evander Kane and either Enstrom or Byfuglien for the #1 and Gonchar.
How many people WOULDN'T go for that?
we are perfect with Karlsson Rundblad, we could however use another three Cowans and let the rest go.
Please.
Spezza is not being traded
/Spezza trade speculation.
My God - even Leafs fans hold out hope until Christmas...
And enough with the trade talk - the source who started the Ottawa / Edmonton talk has moved on to Andrew Ladd being courted by Buffalo and Kyle Turris going to Vancouver - chew on that!
Lets focus on the upcoming game - confirmed that Auld is starting against the Flyers, and Winchester, Butler, Gonchar will be out...Any takers for a Sens upset?
Actually no. Kuba has played the RD on the Pk when he is a LD but you'll always see Gonchar in the RD during regular play but power play his on the left. So I'm sure any d man can at any side. As much as I like them to play there natural position whatever works.
Are you people blind to the fact that both Sergei Gonchar and Filip Kuba play for us?
"If BM wants the 1st overall pick he has assets to trade for it" -What who how haha ? Just stop.. You might be optimistic but your foolish to actually before what you just wrote is true ...wow
@SENSor
..FAIL FOR NAIL...
Hey if you think its crap then this is a shit storm of a season I'll cheer for last place team to lose or win but at the end of the day the FUTURE is sitting in Sarina
someone's been playing too much NHL video games..
please stop putting up these ridiculous trade offers
1.Karlsson, Foligno, Butler 2012 2nd and 3rd for Hall and Pajarvii
Foligno would be replaced by Pajarvii on the 3rd and Butler replaced by Hall along side Spezza and Edm gets their prize posession Dman and two very valueble picks
2.Regin, Neil, 2013 1st and 2nd rnd picks for S.Webber
Webber isn't happy in Nashville and they are on a severe spending budget and with Rinne and Suter signings comming up they will be trading their captain away and would love to bring in Fisher's best friend Neil and a solid two way centre in Regin and not to mention two huge draft picks
3.Spezza for Johansson(Colum bus) and 2012 1st
We are rebuilding and need youth and picks. With Johansson we would have a bigger window with all our young players being at their prime together and for longer
Are you insane? Take your meds and go back to bed.
Okay Nizzy, you go ahead and cheer for the Sens to lose every game - sounds like fun. Just remember, even if the Sens pick first overall, there's no guarantee they're choosing your hero from Sarnia...I remember last year at this time Adam Larsson was the "guaranteed #1 pick"...
Right now this draft class is supposedly VERY strong, with an amazing top 10...
Wow. Just, wow...But I'm sure that was just meant as a joke...
Amen, brother!
So you wish you never had Alfie? ;)
See how ridiculous some of the hypotheticals you guys are throwing out there?
Nothing is guaranteed right now a part from the fact that the puck can bounce in unpredictable and seemingly random ways and so anything can happen.
Why don't some of you dreamers and philosophers enjoy hockey while there's hockey to enjoy and wait till the offseason to discuss your thoughts on completely irrelevant matters?
Nugent-Hopkins is pretty good, watch an Oilers game.
Again not sure why my statement means we never had alfie(a late rd pick) but sure if we had won the cup and picked someone else that was a major factor in us winning the cup
Your as crazy as round leaf who obv doesnt understand the logics behind drafting the best player available especially when they are future franchise players you clown
Shoe
It's game day, Ottawa vs Philly. I'm attending this game, super excited to see that loaded Philly team take the ice, it's been awhile since a team has had that much star power. While I think the Sens will have their hands full, I don't expect a blowout here. If the Sens can play the same way they did against the Caps on Sat, we'll be in for an entertaining game and maybe our first major upset of the season.
Auld played a very good game Saturday, so for him to get back to back starts (due to Anderson's personal reason's) is good for his confidence.
Been digging into the rumours a little, nothing more on the Edm/Ott connection. As usual, just something that hit, most likely due to EK and his post on Oct 15th. When someone puts a post with a headline of Sens and Oilers Talking Major Swap and follows that up with a "Will update with more info shortly. But this could be very interesting" and doesn't actually follow up, you know it's crap.
interesting stats.
toronto given more pp chances than any other team in league so far on their 5 game home start.
Could've, Should've, Would've... Why not fixate your philosophical mind on just right now: Regular Season? ;)
Not only are they most PP chances in whole league,
they played first 4 games at home, and play Senators
6 times, and all games are back to back for the Sens??
How does this not show favouratism to TML ???
Rockin Robert
see right now is pointless. we really aren't playing for anything but a great draft pick. look past the immediate stimuli in front of you and see the big picture.
That being said as a fan when the puck drops I can not help myself but cheer for a win...I am just not upset at all when we lose as I know its for the better of the franchise long term.
If you ask Mr.Stasche, he would've said they're playing to win.
Then again, you're the GM, not him :)
I look at it as like beating a video game.. when the Sens lift the holy grail over the ice at Scotiabank place, it will be awesome.... But whats next? The ride is what is the most fun, so enjoy it, and support the team, because really, cheering for a win is much more fun.
Yes.
Why? Do you actually think those guys listed are going anywhere? Use your brain.
Does that really surprise you?