Monday, 03 October 2011 11:13

Strong Start Key for Sens- Carkner out 4-6 Weeks

(UPDATE 1:35 PM)- Some bad news on the injury front this afternoon as it is being reported that defenceman Matt Carkner will undergo knee surgery on the same knee that he hurt last April.  Carkner will miss between 4-6 weeks as a result.

With the start of a new season now just four sleeps away, we can begin to look at the year that is to come for the Ottawa Senators.

Predicted by many to be near the bottom of the standings, the Sens will need a fast start if they are going to prove some of their doubters wrong.

The opening weekend figures to be a tough one for the Senators as they take on a perennial powerhouse in the Detroit Red Wings on night one and are in Toronto for a Hockey Night in Canada match up just 24 hours later.

The month of October will see the Sens play twelve games in total, seven at home and five on the road.  Road games include stops in Detroit, Toronto, Washington, Carolina and New York.  The Sens open their home schedule with a game against Minnesota and will also play host to Colorado, Philadelphia, Winnipeg, Columbus, Florida and Toronto.

Every game is going to be a challenge for a young Sens team but those look like some very winnable games on home ice.  The month of November will see Ottawa play 8 of 12 on the road making a fast start that much more important. 

If the Senators are going to surprise some people this year, they will need to get out the gate fast and it all starts in Detroit on Friday night.

  • Mika Zibanejad, David Rundblad and Stephane Da Costa have all avoided the latest round of cuts but with a few players battling injuries, there are still roster decisions that need to be made.  Zibanejad seems like a lock to at least get the nine game audition while the status of the other two likely depends on the health of the injured Sens.
  • Sens skated this morning and Rundblad looked to be the odd man out on Defence. Pairings included Phillips-Lee, Kuba-Karlsson and Cowen-Gonchar.
  • Forward combinations were as follows, Michalek-Spezza-Filatov, Greening-Zibanejad-Alfredsson, Foligno-Smith-Neil, Condra-Konopka-Butler.  Da Costa skated as the 13th forward.
  • Peter Regin, Jesse Winchester and Matt Carkner were all absent at the skate this morning.
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+3 #1 JRMcPeeWee 2011-10-03 10:21
Kuba and Karlsson, scary
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+6 #2 Johne 2011-10-03 10:28
That 4th line has a lot of skill, hope it kicks Butler back into goal scorer mode.
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-4 #3 Sensnation 2011-10-03 10:43
Some interesting combos in there, but I'm sure they'll be pretty fluid all week and during each game. Still not a fan of the Kuba-Karlsson matchup.
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-5 #4 Andrews Theory 2011-10-03 10:48
I was hoping they'd bump 9mm back up to that top line...

his skill set is a better compliment to the finesse of the other two. get to the net, work the boards and be defensively responsible.

looks lile greening would have a similar role on that second line.

CHIRP, whats the plan for the hockey pool?
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0 #5 my2sens 2011-10-03 10:53
Would have loved to somehow see Filatov and Neil together on a line... they worked well in preseason.

Kuba-Karlsson... hmmm... With Karlsson liking to pinch and move into the play, could we ask Kuba to stay on the red line? He's too slow to come back should there be an odd-man rush towards Anderson.
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+5 #6 my2sens 2011-10-03 10:55
All-in-all... I think this season is a win-win for Sens fans.

1) we have a young exciting team of players who want to showcase their skills, show they belong in the NHL and want to play for future jobs
2) those veterans we have on our team are going to play hard to redeem themselves from last year
3) we are rebuilding and therefore no high expectations have been placed on the team (if we are on the bottom that's ok)
4) a lot of talent, so if the Sens manage to make it into the playoffs we have surpasses expectations and fans are happy
5) when we win the Stanley Cup, fans will be uber happy!

SEE - Winning!!!

GO SENS GO!
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+3 #7 SensChirp 2011-10-03 11:04
Quoting Andrews Theory:


CHIRP, whats the plan for the hockey pool?

Going to try to get one up before the season starts on Thursday. Will likely just use a Yahoo format which means the number of spots will be limited. Keep an eye out for details.
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+1 #8 jd2reeso 2011-10-03 11:20
surprised to see butler on 4th line. I thought he would be a top six despite his preseason. Hope he responds well on the 4th. Seems like a smart hardworking kid who will want to get into the top six.
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0 #9 my2sens 2011-10-03 11:25
Quoting jd2reeso:
surprised to see butler on 4th line. I thought he would be a top six despite his preseason. Hope he responds well on the 4th. Seems like a smart hardworking kid who will want to get into the top six.



I don't think there's truly a 4th line right now... those last two lines are pretty even imo. Two 3rd lines.
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+1 #10 kingalfredsson 2011-10-03 11:31
kuba and karlsson ... both not the best at playing D
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0 #11 SensChirp 2011-10-03 11:32
Interesting to hear that Jonathan Huberdeau has been cut by the Florida Panthers. Will return to Saint John for another season.
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+1 #12 Johne 2011-10-03 11:42
Quoting SensChirp:
Interesting to hear that Jonathan Huberdeau has been cut by the Florida Panthers. Will return to Saint John for another season.


He needs some size.
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0 #13 Tcharger 2011-10-03 11:46
I suggest fantrax for the pool...a million times better than yahoo.
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-5 #14 Sensnation 2011-10-03 11:49
Quoting SensChirp:
Interesting to hear that Jonathan Huberdeau has been cut by the Florida Panthers. Will return to Saint John for another season.


I was amazed he actually got this long of a look. Not many considered him NHL ready going into the draft, but Florida is just so short on high end talent. I'd think he'll make it next year though.
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+1 #15 SensChirp 2011-10-03 12:27
Knee surgery for Matt Carkner. He will miss at least a month.
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-1 #16 Johne 2011-10-03 12:31
As much as I admire what Carkner has had to go through to make the NHL. He doesn't belong on this team anymore.
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-13 #17 Tookie 2011-10-03 12:33
I dont know why some of you keep saying this team is exciting....did you watch the games? Its board play, dump and chase, chip, chip, chip hockey. Nothing exciting about that, unless you like sloppy neutral zone play and a non existant breakout. Nothing exciting about the play of this team, surely you guys dont like 0-0 games or 2-1 losses or even 2-1 wins...
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+8 #18 NorCal Sens fan 2011-10-03 12:40
Quoting Tookie19:
I dont know why some of you keep saying this team is exciting....did you watch the games? Its board play, dump and chase, chip, chip, chip hockey. Nothing exciting about that, unless you like sloppy neutral zone play and a non existant breakout. Nothing exciting about the play of this team, surely you guys dont like 0-0 games or 2-1 losses or even 2-1 wins...


Why are you even a fan? You clearly don't like anything about this team??
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-2 #19 Smash_88 2011-10-03 12:44
Quoting Tookie19:
I dont know why some of you keep saying this team is exciting....did you watch the games? Its board play, dump and chase, chip, chip, chip hockey. Nothing exciting about that, unless you like sloppy neutral zone play and a non existant breakout. Nothing exciting about the play of this team, surely you guys dont like 0-0 games or 2-1 losses or even 2-1 wins...



LOL I agree, after the game versus Boston, if we continue to play like that, it ain't going to be too exciting... Now to be fair, I think they will get better as the season progresses but I don't think they become exciting this season...
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+1 #20 Mat 2011-10-03 12:45
Quoting NorCal Sens fan:
Quoting Tookie19:
I dont know why some of you keep saying this team is exciting....did you watch the games? Its board play, dump and chase, chip, chip, chip hockey. Nothing exciting about that, unless you like sloppy neutral zone play and a non existant breakout. Nothing exciting about the play of this team, surely you guys dont like 0-0 games or 2-1 losses or even 2-1 wins...


Why are you even a fan? You clearly don't like anything about this team??


Good point.

Tookie: you must be a real treat to be around..

Enjoy your miserable life.
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+1 #21 TheBoss 2011-10-03 12:45
Quoting Tookie19:
I dont know why some of you keep saying this team is exciting....did you watch the games? Its board play, dump and chase, chip, chip, chip hockey. Nothing exciting about that, unless you like sloppy neutral zone play and a non existant breakout. Nothing exciting about the play of this team, surely you guys dont like 0-0 games or 2-1 losses or even 2-1 wins...


What's wrong with close games? The Devils play tight D and look how successful they were over the past decade.. I reckon Anderson is no Marty, but any game where he lets in less than 2 goals is a good game to me.. Isn't his job to let in the least amount of goals as possible any way?? These guys are going to be playing hard this year, and I cant wait! I'm not expecting a great year, but it'll sure be fun.
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0 #22 Sensnation 2011-10-03 12:46
Quoting SensChirp:
Knee surgery for Matt Carkner. He will miss at least a month.


Sad to say, but this may be a blessing in disguise for the team as a whole, and definitely for Lee and Rundblad!
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+6 #23 Tcharger 2011-10-03 12:48
Agree with jab...too bad it wasn't Kuba tho
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+1 #24 Johne 2011-10-03 12:49
I think you'll see not the best product on the ice the first couple of games, but hopefully after that chemistry will form between players and MacL's system should be in full swing by then. GO SENS GO!
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+3 #25 383 2011-10-03 12:59
@Tookie,

Hey Tookie man, I know a couple single ladies that I could hook you up with. Just seems like you've been in a five year drought or something...jus t remember it happens to the best of us.
You'll bounce back buddy, don't worry!
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-2 #26 Sensnation 2011-10-03 13:00
Pre-season hockey is normally sloppy, I don't think we can take much from that and assume it will translate into the regular season Tookie. PM will demand high level execution from the team and those that don't deliver won't play much.
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+3 #27 Johne 2011-10-03 13:03
Quoting JABSmilez:
Pre-season hockey is normally sloppy, I don't think we can take much from that and assume it will translate into the regular season Tookie. PM will demand high level execution from the team and those that don't deliver won't play much.


Exactly, I view preseason as an individual effort, trying to make the team or move up on the depth chart. Regular season is a team game, we'll see improvements for sure.
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+3 #28 Johne 2011-10-03 13:08
I think what we saw most of the preseason was a progression and better effort as the game moved on which means the players were finding chemistry and buying into the gameplan.
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+3 #29 RUSHRLZ 2011-10-03 13:11
@Tookie not sure whether it is a gimmick of yours to come across so milk curdlingly abrasive or if it just your personality. It sure doesn't bother me, but for your sake I hope it is just a gimmick.

Especially the first two weeks, yes we may probably see some some lower scoring, not altogether fluid games out of the Sens, but the coach will lead the team to do whatever it takes to win while we build some chemistry.

Beyond that we have a lot of youth energy going on, whether that means some jaw dropping goals goals by Mika and Filatov, a lot of solid hitting, quite a lot of speed or Zenon dishing out a new flavor of knuckle sandwiches, once the season gets rolling I expect this team to be anything but boring...

How much we win or not remains to be seen, but don't be a plug and suggest we are going to be boring as well as shitty just based on the half dozen pre-season games you watched. Come'on man!
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+1 #30 Johne 2011-10-03 13:15
Eklunds's prediction for Ottawa:

Ottawa: The Sens will be this year's firesale, but end up still being competitive. They will trade Alfredsson at the deadline when it appears they are out of the playoffs, but the young kids will still make a push for the playoffs when they get more ice-time.
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0 #31 Canucnik 2011-10-03 13:20
"EriK and Philippé" I guess they are going to be saved exclusively for the power play...how brain dead are we...Jared, teamed with Erik most of the pre-season, looking good playing as our first pair and now this "Dogs breakfast!"
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+2 #32 Sandy 2011-10-03 13:20
Quoting Tookie19:
I dont know why some of you keep saying this team is exciting....did you watch the games? Its board play, dump and chase, chip, chip, chip hockey. Nothing exciting about that, unless you like sloppy neutral zone play and a non existant breakout. Nothing exciting about the play of this team, surely you guys dont like 0-0 games or 2-1 losses or even 2-1 wins...


Tookie,... it was pre-season? They have yet (I could be wrong) to ice their full lineup in pre-season.
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0 #33 thepez 2011-10-03 13:21
The reason this team will be exciting to watch is the young up and coming talent that the Sens have in the sytstem. Like it or not the Sens will have to play a more defensive type of system if they have any hope to win games. They don't have the firepower offensively yet. At the moment the Sens have 3 legitimate top 6 forwards. It will take time but it will be exciting to see how they grow.

History has shown that Bryan Murray is not afraid of making deals. With the talent he has in the system, especially on the back end and a goalie who is a season away from starting in the NHL, the Sens have the chips available to make things happen. However patience will need to be stressed to all the fans and I think the majority of the fans can see the big picture.
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+2 #34 Mat 2011-10-03 13:21
Quoting Johne:
As much as I admire what Carkner has had to go through to make the NHL. He doesn't belong on this team anymore.


I have to disagree Johne. He's exactly what we need on this team right now. Carkner still has enough hockey left in him to facilitate the transition between him leaving and young guns coming in.

While Rundblad and Cowen go through their growing pains, he will serve as a reliable and steady 6th or 7th D. His low value contract will expire probably at the moment where Cowen and Rundblad are capable of being responsible full time D's.

Plus, if this preseason has shown us anything, its that sound defensive play should not be ignored on this team
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+2 #35 Sandy 2011-10-03 13:24
Why would they keep Rundblad as the 7th D. That will not help his development by having him in the pressbox.

With the re-build.. is it not best for these young guys to play? They will make mistakes.. but that is how they will learn.

Have these young guys adapt this year.. with more to be added next season.

Keeping Rundblad out over Kuba is injustice.

Too bad about Carkner... any word on Regin or Winchester, Chirp? Are the both going to be ready to start the season?
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0 #36 ChrisT. 2011-10-03 13:34
As shitty as it is to admit, we are NOT going to be anywhere close to a playoff team this season. I know we are all fans and want this team to win and do as best as we can, and there is some merit to the assumption that we may surprise some teams. The problem is, surprising a few top tier teams once or twice in a season is not going to amount to the 90ish points needed to make the playoffs in the eastern conference.

Plus think of it this way, when the Leafs were just starting their rebuild (the 'official trucculent rebuild') we made endless amounts of fun at their belligerent fans for thinking they would be making the playoffs and competing for the cup. I feel that we have a stronger foundation (and GM) then the Leafs did, but we're not that much ahead that we can assume competition for a playoff spot either this year OR next either.

We're in a rebuild folks. Don't be pessimistic, but blind optimism is no good either.
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0 #37 Canucnik 2011-10-03 13:36
Sandy...they are tying to give David some big league money so he will not go home. Practicing with the Big Club should not be under sold...Philippé 's status is also a question mark. I think EriK should be practicing with Jared...it's the future...
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+3 #38 SensChirp 2011-10-03 13:37
First edition of the Sens prospect update! Mark Stone with an incredible 13 points in just 5 games.

http://senators.nhl.com/v2/ext/PDFs/Prospect_Update-111003.pdf
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-5 #39 Sensnation 2011-10-03 13:39
Quoting Sandy:
Why would they keep Rundblad as the 7th D. That will not help his development by having him in the pressbox.

With the re-build.. is it not best for these young guys to play? They will make mistakes.. but that is how they will learn.

Have these young guys adapt this year.. with more to be added next season.

Keeping Rundblad out over Kuba is injustice.

Too bad about Carkner... any word on Regin or Winchester, Chirp? Are the both going to be ready to start the season?


I think Rundblad is just getting an added cup of tea up here to get him on the regimen the team wants. Short of a Kuba trade or another injury, he'll probably only get spot starts at first.
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0 #40 DD 2011-10-03 13:46
Where is Petersson?
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+4 #41 jakester 2011-10-03 13:57
Tookie just upset that Burkie didn't trade a third rounder for Filatov. Doesn't sit well in his tummy.
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0 #42 Yaro 2011-10-03 13:58
YAY! I mean NOOOOOOOOO
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+1 #43 Smash_88 2011-10-03 14:09
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting Tookie19:
I dont know why some of you keep saying this team is exciting....did you watch the games? Its board play, dump and chase, chip, chip, chip hockey. Nothing exciting about that, unless you like sloppy neutral zone play and a non existant breakout. Nothing exciting about the play of this team, surely you guys dont like 0-0 games or 2-1 losses or even 2-1 wins...


Tookie,... it was pre-season? They have yet (I could be wrong) to ice their full lineup in pre-season.


The Boston game was pretty darn close and it was pure domination by Boston... I don't hold the same pessimistic views as Tookie, but some of the overly optimistic views on this site are just as bad...
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+1 #44 SensChirp 2011-10-03 14:25
Quoting DD:
Where is Petersson?

Is going to be down in Binghamton.
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0 #45 MethotToMyMadness 2011-10-03 14:30
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Andrews Theory:


CHIRP, whats the plan for the hockey pool?

Going to try to get one up before the season starts on Thursday. Will likely just use a Yahoo format which means the number of spots will be limited. Keep an eye out for details.


Count me in for that!! ;)
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0 #46 SensChirp 2011-10-03 14:30
Quoting madpajamma:
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Andrews Theory:


CHIRP, whats the plan for the hockey pool?

Going to try to get one up before the season starts on Thursday. Will likely just use a Yahoo format which means the number of spots will be limited. Keep an eye out for details.


Count me in for that!! ;)

Will have to be done on a first come/first serve basis so keep an eye out for details.
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0 #47 Johne 2011-10-03 14:32
http://twitter.com/GMillerTSN - Not pointing fingers, but history shows that the vast majority of teams keeping 18 year olds in the lineup are making an enormous mistake.
http://twitter.com/GMillerTSN - For every Crosby who thrives, there are many who don't. No one's development was damaged by spending too much time in jr, college or AHL.
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-1 #48 Tookie 2011-10-03 14:33
Quoting TheBoss:
What's wrong with close games?


Nothing wrong with a close game, 5-4, 4-3, 7-6...Not 2-1, 1-0...You say the Devils were successful doing this, your right, they played the trap and EVERYONE in the hockey world hated them for it, it made for tremdous BORING hockey and forced the NHL to make changes to try and make the game more fun...

This team has problems scoring, its no secret.
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0 #49 Hax 2011-10-03 14:41
Rundblad can platoon until Carkner's healthy and if nothing has changed maybe then he'll accept Bingo long enough to allow Murray to unload someone.

I'd rather see the bottom six look like this:

Foligno - Condra - Butler
Smith - Konopka - Neil

But as someone else said, it's sort of two third lines as they have it now.

And as for Eklund suggesting Ottawa will trade Anderson at the deadline - hasn't everyone realized by now he's just a site hit junkie??
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-4 #50 Tookie 2011-10-03 14:42
Quoting Hax:
Rundblad can platoon until Carkner's healthy and if nothing has changed maybe then he'll accept Bingo long enough to allow Murray to unload someone.

I'd rather see the bottom six look like this:

Foligno - Condra - Butler
Smith - Konopka - Neil

But as someone else said, it's sort of two third lines as they have it now.

And as for Eklund suggesting Ottawa will trade Anderson at the deadline - hasn't everyone realized by now he's just a site hit junkie??


Why did you even bring up his name, you actually went on his site?
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0 #51 RUSHRLZ 2011-10-03 14:44
Quoting Johne:
http://twitter.com/GMillerTSN - Not pointing fingers, but history shows that the vast majority of teams keeping 18 year olds in the lineup are making an enormous mistake.
http://twitter.com/GMillerTSN - For every Crosby who thrives, there are many who don't. No one's development was damaged by spending too much time in jr, college or AHL.


This worries me too and I wouldn't be any less excited about the season if Mika started the season in Bingo... I hope they are sure it is the best thing for his development, not just to put asses in the seats. Maybe they want to give him a 9 game taste even if they are 80% certain he'll go down for development anyways.
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0 #52 RUSHRLZ 2011-10-03 14:46
Quoting Tookie19:
Why did you even bring up his name, you actually went on his site?


He was just replying to someone else who said they read that shit on that shit site.
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+1 #53 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-10-03 14:49
@Johne

Normally 18 year olds that come in this league have only playing against kids close to the own age ..Mika's played in MENS league relax already Mika will be fine are you not watching the games Mika is are best player most nights.. Wonder if Mika could win the Calder :) playing with Alfie and MM9 wont hurt
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0 #54 Hax 2011-10-03 14:51
Thanks Rush.

As for Mika - I'd be happy with a 9 game audition then send him to Sweden but not sure how that whole SEL contract works. I doubt he ends up in Bingo. Let him platoon with Da Costa for the first month or so and by then he knows what he has to work on etc.
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+6 #55 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-10-03 14:55
Brian Murray on the Team 1200 . On the question was about Zibenajad his comment was that this is not a 9 game stint, Zibenajad has the body and skill and he is here for the season.
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+1 #56 RUSHRLZ 2011-10-03 14:58
Quoting Nizzy:
Brian Murray on the Team 1200 . On the question was about Zibenajad his comment was that this is not a 9 game stint, Zibenajad has the body and skill and he is here for the season.


Wow. Maybe they are wanting him to not worry right now about a job with the big club but instead focus on playing, but I'm surprised Murray would put that out there publicly instead of waiting to see what happens.
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0 #57 Johne 2011-10-03 14:59
From what I've seen out of Zibby he looks NHL mature, he will need to adjust to the NHL game but I think he's going to go through this no matter if he plays in the SEL or plays in the NHL this year. There's a lot of mistakes that will be made, but we will all be treated to something special watching him blossom into a star. No problem at all with keeping him in the bigs in my opinion, just others feel like its 'rushing' him.
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0 #58 Hax 2011-10-03 15:00
Here's my expectations of the roster by Christmas:

Michalek - Spezza - Filatov
Greening - Da Costa - Alfredsson
Foligno - Regin - Butler
Condra - Konopka - Neil
Smith and Winchester as extra forwards (or dressing as there will likely be at least one injury)
Zibanejad will be in the SEL after a nice showing in his 9-game audition.

Phillips Lee
Cowen Karlsson
Rundblad Gonchar
Kuba/Carkner - if there are no injuries, one will be gone, the other in the press box. Possible exception if Rundblad ends up in Bingo (and he's cool with it). I don't think the team will "force" him down to Bingo just to keep Kuba and Carkner on the roster.
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0 #59 oakster15 2011-10-03 15:01
Not that it matters, but Eklund says that Alfie will be dealt at the deadline, not Anderson..

But like someone said on that site in response: Unless Alfie asks to be traded, it probably won't happen.
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0 #60 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-10-03 15:03
cont

He (Murray) said ... Does not matter what he does in those 9 games, his game will improve significantly in the second half. The expression he used is that Zibenajad is a "player." The same words used by the other players during his first days in camp.
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0 #61 Sandy 2011-10-03 15:09
Quoting Johne:
http://twitter.com/GMillerTSN - Not pointing fingers, but history shows that the vast majority of teams keeping 18 year olds in the lineup are making an enormous mistake.
http://twitter.com/GMillerTSN - For every Crosby who thrives, there are many who don't. No one's development was damaged by spending too much time in jr, college or AHL.


Z-Bad played in the SEL -- a men's league. He did not play in Jr... probably what Gord Miller was referring to...
If these young players have the mindset and the 'body frame' to play NHL hockey.. then why in the hell not. Especially in Ottawa's case with a re-build.
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0 #62 Sandy 2011-10-03 15:12
A little off-topic... interesting article on HB by Yost..


http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Travis-Yost/Scouting-Edmonton-and-Vancouver/134/38561


I wonder if Mika will be the new babysitter for the Alfredsson's?
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0 #63 Rundbladsson 2011-10-03 15:26
Why can't (or couldn't) have Kuba broken his leg again in preseason like last year or even in practice??? Ugghh. Wish he hadn't scored that 40 points for us in year 1, then possibly he already would be gone.

I think Carks still has a place on this team, has anyone noticed his shot when he gets it off? He can really bring it, but you just don't see it much. That said I like him here as a 7th for games where toughness might be required. Smitty, ZK and Nailer can obviously more than hold their own, but having Carks some nights wouldn't hurt,

Really hope Rundblad plays Friday. I had already watched vids of him b4 he was a Sen. Couldn't believe (AND LOST MY MIND) when I heard BM pried him away from St.L at the draft. Hes got work to do, but he'll hold his own. Just wait, the kid can hit too. Got to love the options on the backend when on the PP.

Just thinking as I finish up here. You know who Kuba reminds me of now, Former Leaf

Cory Cross
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0 #64 miguel 2011-10-03 15:44
Quoting Johne:
As much as I admire what Carkner has had to go through to make the NHL. He doesn't belong on this team anymore.

Johne,
I enjoy your posts and look forward to your comments, but Carkner can still play, and he must be ahead in your lineup over Kuba... the real question is how do we get rid of Kuba?
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0 #65 Johne 2011-10-03 15:54
Quoting miguel:

Johne,
I enjoy your posts and look forward to your comments, but Carkner can still play, and he must be ahead in your lineup over Kuba... the real question is how do we get rid of Kuba?


He can play but we are DEEEEEEEEP with dmen and yes I'd put him ahead of Kuba on the depth chart, but here is why Kuba is here to stay: No one wants him, he is paid $4 mil.

Carkner is easier to get rid of, simple as that.
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0 #66 miguel 2011-10-03 16:03
Quoting Johne:
Quoting miguel:

Johne,
I enjoy your posts and look forward to your comments, but Carkner can still play, and he must be ahead in your lineup over Kuba... the real question is how do we get rid of Kuba?


He can play but we are DEEEEEEEEP with dmen and yes I'd put him ahead of Kuba on the depth chart, but here is why Kuba is here to stay: No one wants him, he is paid $4 mil.

Carkner is easier to get rid of, simple as that.

ok I get your resoning now, but who will fill in for his toughness, when opposing teams take the runs at Rundblad, Karlsson, Gonchar... will Phillips...No.. .Kuba, thats a good laugh... and I do not want Cowen in the box at all, so I say we find a way to keep him, and sit Kuba...IMO
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+1 #67 miguel 2011-10-03 16:09
also on another note, took my kids out to SBP for the open practice, and the boys really put on a show for the fans.
First of all PM really does skate the boys, and is putting a stamp on conditioning, and skating at both ends, so expact fast pace, forchecking hockey. But more importantly, there really was an obvious sense of FUN, by most if not all the players... after just being skated into submission, most if not all of the players stuck around after practice, shooting, passing, keep away, and the fun shootout. They were interacting with the fans, and unlike last year they were really enjoying themselves.
If anything, I really believe that all that talk of problems in the room after our cup run, is all gone, and these guys will, if anything, fight for every point this year, and at the very least put in a solid effort every game... which is a lot more than most nights last year!
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+1 #68 Johne 2011-10-03 16:13
I'm not worried about toughness, you seen Z Smith fight? If he wasn't in hockey, he should be doing MMA

and Konopka/Neil

This team won't be pushed around.
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-1 #69 Sensnation 2011-10-03 16:17
Quoting Johne:
I'm not worried about toughness, you seen Z Smith fight? If he wasn't in hockey, he should be doing MMA

and Konopka/Neil

This team won't be pushed around.


Unless Lessard is called up to practice with them again ;)
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+1 #70 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-10-03 16:19
The Sens Scouts at edm van game and Murray said today he talked to 2 or 3 GM's wonder if something is going down soon

Magnus Pääjärvi would look good in sens uniform

Pääjärvi-Zibane jad-Alfredsson
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-2 #71 Sensnation 2011-10-03 16:32
Quoting Nizzy:
The Sens Scouts at edm van game and Murray said today he talked to 2 or 3 GM's wonder if something is going down soon

Magnus Pääjärvi would look good in sens uniform

Pääjärvi-Zibanejad-Alfredsson


Edmonton is beyond desperate for D right now, might be the perfect opportunity to move someone. Paajarvi would be amazing, but I doubt they'd move him without Karlsson or Rundblad going back to them. Maybe Linus Omark though, or Sam Gagner, or even just a pick because we know it will be high.
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+2 #72 Darcy Loewen 2011-10-03 16:47
going to be an exciting team to watch forsure, i'd like to see Foligno and Greening swapped though, Foligno is more established and looked good with Zibby a few times in preseason.
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+4 #73 token 2011-10-03 16:47
Quoting Tookie19:
I dont know why some of you keep saying this team is exciting....did you watch the games? Its board play, dump and chase, chip, chip, chip hockey. Nothing exciting about that, unless you like sloppy neutral zone play and a non existant breakout. Nothing exciting about the play of this team, surely you guys dont like 0-0 games or 2-1 losses or even 2-1 wins...


tookie man, any hockey is more exciting than no hockey...we have so many kids on the team that are here to skate their asses off...possibili ty of tons of breakaways in either direction...whe ther the break away is for us or against us its bound to get your heart pumping...Some of us haven't had a chance to see the team grow from within...the fact that we have so many possibilities/q uestion marks makes this team exciting to me...
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+2 #74 Hax 2011-10-03 16:51
What makes a game exciting is scoring chances, not just the ones that go in. Odd man rushes, takeaways, turnovers, end-to-end play - all exciting.

These guys will make plenty of mistakes. Sometimes Anderson will make the save and bail them out, sometimes he won't be able to. Sometimes they'll take a chance and it will pay off with a sweet goal, sometimes it will backfire and we'll look stupid.

I don't expect Tookie to enjoy the games much this year, but I know I will.
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0 #75 Rundbladsson 2011-10-03 17:48
Quoting JABSmilez:

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Unless Lessard is called up to practice with them again ;)


lol. Atta boy Big Country for stepping in.

I think Z. Smith is Mike Fisher 2.0, better grinder and fighter, not as good of a shot, but he still can fire it. He'll score 20+ goals in this league

Speaking of which FOLIGNO BETTER SCORE 20 this year.

Zibanejad has to stay at #2 center, and play at least 15 minutes a night. Kid is FEARLESS! We have never had a player quite like him as our #2 center, he seems EXPLOSIVE! Could very well put up 50 or so points!

Noticed the Stash is doing something (involuntary shudder).... CC did that drove me insane. So far Stash rolled the top 2 forward lines while on the PP. Breaking down to, Spezz on one unit and Alfie on the other. I really hope that doesn't continue. Alfie and Spezz should be together on the PP. But it was preseason so time will tell.
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+1 #76 Round Leaf 2011-10-03 18:11
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting TheBoss:
What's wrong with close games?


Nothing wrong with a close game, 5-4, 4-3, 7-6...Not 2-1, 1-0...


no wonder you enjoy watching the Leafs play. With Reimer in net this year, that's a guaranteed 4 goals against each and every night. Makes for exciting hockey.
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-1 #77 Rundbladsson 2011-10-03 18:16
Scouts checkin out Nucks and Oil. Take KUBA!

As for guys to bring in. Not getting Hall, Eberle or RNH. Be sick if BM could work something for Paajarvi, Gagner or Hemsky. Any of the 3 would be awesome to have here. Hemsky is a UFA so if it doesn't work and he gets hurt again, See yea, no hard feelings. Gagner might be expendable now with emergence of all the young talent. Would have to be a blockbuster if MPS was involved, Any trade involving Blads would infuriate me. I think Cowen to is a rare commodity so he stays too

As for the Nucks unless they want to dangle Burrows I can't see a trade happening that would help both teams. Sturm however looked good in the preseason for them, he was on my list of FA that I'd sign if in BM position.

But if they were to do Kuba for Higgins. DONE

They are close to cap so we'd have to take salary back.

So Gagner,Hemsky,M PS,Burrows,Stur m or Higgins. As long as we trade Kuba in WHATEVER PACKAGE
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0 #78 Sandy 2011-10-03 18:27
Quoting Hax:
What makes a game exciting is scoring chances, not just the ones that go in. Odd man rushes, takeaways, turnovers, end-to-end play - all exciting.

These guys will make plenty of mistakes. Sometimes Anderson will make the save and bail them out, sometimes he won't be able to. Sometimes they'll take a chance and it will pay off with a sweet goal, sometimes it will backfire and we'll look stupid.

I don't expect Tookie to enjoy the games much this year, but I know I will.


Maybe he should move to Toronto. After all some of their fans think they have the best team in the NHL and they are going to the Cup Final?
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0 #79 hed pucker 2011-10-03 18:43
er Random question.....Is Colin Greening considered a rookie
as far as Calder voting is concerned ?
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0 #80 senskarlsson57 2011-10-03 18:49
Quoting hed pucker:
er Random question.....Is Colin Greening considered a rookie
as far as Calder voting is concerned ?

Nope!
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0 #81 Dorkiewicz  2011-10-03 19:07
Tookie19 = Eeyore 2.0
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+3 #82 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-10-03 19:20
The Western Hockey League announced today that Brandon Wheat Kings’ forward Mark Stone is the WHL Player of the Week...
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-1 #83 zachpraisethesweedes 2011-10-03 19:23
There is now way edmonton would trade either Ganger, Hemsky, Paajarvi, Omark straight up for Kuba no matter how desperate they are for a D-man. If we wanted to get any of those 4 guys we would have to along with Kuba send a 1st rnd pick. At the very least. If not it would taske a Rundblad, Cowen, or Karlsson. Which BM is defintetly not prepared to do.
Unless we start adding players to make some sort of package including Kuba. Maybe someone like Butler, Regin, Winchester, Foligno, Neil, Carkner. Any one of those players along with Kuba could get you a solid player from Edm. I would love Paajarvi. His speed would help him fit in under PM's new fast hockey style. Imagine a second line with Paajarvi-Zibane jad-Alfie. And eventually have Silverberg replace Alfie. That would be such a fast and tough line to play against.
But of course these are all dreams of mine.
But the sens really do have an unbeleivable amount of talent in the organization
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+1 #84 timwrx 2011-10-03 19:28
B-Sens tied with Hershey after 2 periods 1-1. Grant the goal from Daugs. Outshot 27-6. Mckenna standing on his head.
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+1 #85 timwrx 2011-10-03 19:58
Petersson and Obrien score! Up 3-1 while being out shot 33-10!
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-15 #86 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-10-03 19:59
What if the trade isnt with Edm but Canucks ..

Roberto Luongo
Mason Raymond
for
David Rundblad
Craig Anderson
Peter Regin
Chris Neil
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+5 #87 senskarlsson57 2011-10-03 20:06
Quoting Nizzy:
What if the trade isnt with Edm but Canucks ..

Roberto Luongo
Mason Raymond
for
David Rundblad
Craig Anderson
Peter Regin
Chris Neil



This is one of those comments where i wish i could give more than one thumbs down
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0 #88 timwrx 2011-10-03 20:23
Tied at 3 going o.t. out shot 39-14
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0 #89 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-10-03 20:30
Quoting Nizzy:
Brian Murray on the Team 1200 . On the question was about Zibenajad his comment was that this is not a 9 game stint, Zibenajad has the body and skill and he is here for the season.


Based on the above B. Murray comment , it suggests that an earlier comment from Tim Murray, stating that there was only 1 spot available, was premature !! To me there are 2 or more spots available on this team this season .

Rockin Robert
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0 #90 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-10-03 21:30
@senskarlsson57

Love too see what u had in mind kid lol Van would never do it cause besides Rundblad there's no value in that trade for the nucks ..
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0 #91 Hax 2011-10-03 21:30
LOL - the fantasy trades are killing me. Kuba for anything more than a 7th round pick would be highway robbery. And I'd rather bury him in the press box than package up one of our young prospects just for some other prospect. Kuba's not going to buy us an upgrade - if anything Edmonton would want an upgrade just for taking Kuba off our hands: not worth it!
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0 #92 Hax 2011-10-03 21:32
Quoting Nizzy:
@senskarlsson57

Love too see what u had in mind kid lol Van would never do it cause besides Rundblad there's no value in that trade for the nucks ..



Nizzy, your posts don't usually bother me at all, but that Van trade proposal is fairly insane for a bunch of reasons.
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0 #93 Yaro 2011-10-03 21:40
Any updates from the AHL game?
Can't find any boxscores online...
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0 #94 Yaro 2011-10-03 21:45
OK
Lost 3-4 in OT after leading 3-1
Outshot 43-14 lol
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0 #95 Rundbladsson 2011-10-03 21:52
Lol I didn't think I had to write that it obviously wouldn't JUST be Kuba going the other way in a deal for any of those players. That goes without saying for people on this board if you ask me.

I'm simply stating which players I'd be interested in if I was BM. And that any trade would be a package involving Kuba.
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0 #96 Hax 2011-10-03 22:18
Our roster is beyond full at the moment. So if Kuba is going anywhere (I'll eat my hat) then it's either for a pick, prospect (and a low one on the depth chart at that). If there's any sort of "package" then it would have to be one of the "expendables" for a prospect (or better pick) or one of the "tradeables" for an upgrade - or some combination thereof. I maintain, that Kuba isn't sweetening any deals, so we'd lose any part of the trade besides Kuba.

Expendables (IMO): Regin, Smith, Winchester, Carkner.

Tradeables (IMO): Foligno, Gonchar, Lee

And to clarify, I don't particular want to see any of those guys go (some less than others) but if the return was right...

Of course, it won't happen.
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0 #97 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-10-03 23:55
@Hax

Im just bored till friday come's its been a long off season ... To be honest I dont think Ottawa needs too make any changes I think this season isnt going to be as bad as people think ...Honestly the only player I think Ottawa should make a pitch for is Kyle Turris ..So dont go insane bud the shows about to begin
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0 #98 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-10-04 05:51
Quoting Nizzy:
@Hax

Im just bored till friday come's its been a long off season ... To be honest I dont think Ottawa needs too make any changes I think this season isnt going to be as bad as people think ...Honestly the only player I think Ottawa should make a pitch for is Kyle Turris ..So dont go insane bud the shows about to begin


Hey Nizzy and Hax,

I think that we should start the show,
with what we have, and not trade for
any player!

The Rebuild is on, and we can adjust as we go,
and somehow either trade Kuba, or sit him for
a bunch of games. Could also send him to Bingo
for re-development and conditioning ( ha ha )

Rockin Robert
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+6 #99 Sens_247 2011-10-04 07:45
I love how TSN dedicated 5 minutes in this morning's Sportcentre to talk about prospects that have made their respective teams; and what an accomplishment it is. They start by mentionning Nugent-Hopkins, move on to talk about Scheifele. However, instead of mentionning Zibanejad, which happens to be part of the same draft, they decide to talk about Jake Gardiner; drafted in 08. Seriously, could they make it more obvious that they couldn't care less about the Sens?! Not even an honorable mention of Z-Bad.

Honestly, I prefer Sportcentre over Sportsnet, but sometimes, it's frustrating how much they dislike Ottawa.

A little bit of Tuesday morning venting!
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0 #100 nuffsaid 2011-10-04 08:51
only because i know the readers of this site enjoy a good laugh. According to Eklund at the trade deadline, were trading Alife. I guess its progress he's not dropping Spezza's name in a story? it amazes me how he gets so many hits when he literally says nothing of any substance.
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0 #101 my2sens 2011-10-04 08:56
Quoting nuffsaid:
only because i know the readers of this site enjoy a good laugh. According to Eklund at the trade deadline, were trading Alife. I guess its progress he's not dropping Spezza's name in a story? it amazes me how he gets so many hits when he literally says nothing of any substance.



Hits are only from his Mom upstairs... Why would we trade Alfredsson OR Spezza?
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0 #102 Darcy Loewen 2011-10-04 09:16
I can't beleive anyone talks about trading Alfie, as far as i can tell, it's only trolls and Eklund. Alfie is retiring a Sen, plain and simple. I wouldn't even trade him for a first rounder, it means something to keep Alfie a Sens for life. It could help bring some life to a long season for Sens fans if we're able to salute Aflie at the end of the year. Here's a question, i know he's the best Sen ever (by far), does he get any hall of fame talk?
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0 #103 Peluso 2011-10-04 09:30
Quoting Tookie19:
I dont know why some of you keep saying this team is exciting....did you watch the games? Its board play, dump and chase, chip, chip, chip hockey. Nothing exciting about that, unless you like sloppy neutral zone play and a non existant breakout. Nothing exciting about the play of this team, surely you guys dont like 0-0 games or 2-1 losses or even 2-1 wins...


You know what's exciting? - our new Blue Chip Goaltender getting a win, with a .950 save%, against the defending Stanley Cup champs. OR, our new blue chip D-man, former defenceman of the year in the Swedish Elite league, getting the GWG from a point shot.
That, to me, is as exciting as it gets in Pre-season.

PS - the Cowen/Phaneuf fight...totally boring... I hate the thought that our rookie d-men would even think about defending each other.... BOOORRRIIINNGGG G (*tongue wedged in cheek)
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0 #104 hed pucker 2011-10-04 14:47
Random question.....Is Colin Greening considered a rookie
as far as Calder voting is concerned ?

senskarlsson says Nope!

Do you really know this or are you just making it up as you go along ?,He has only played 24 NHL games and is only 24 years of age which fits the requirements set by the NHL
So if you know ,state how you know
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0 #105 Rundbladsson 2011-10-05 01:54
Quoting hed pucker:
Random question.....Is Colin Greening considered a rookie
as far as Calder voting is concerned ?

senskarlsson says Nope!

Do you really know this or are you just making it up as you go along ?,He has only played 24 NHL games and is only 24 years of age which fits the requirements set by the NHL
So if you know ,state how you know



Pretty sure he will be eligible but it's a moot point, Greening won't be competing for the Calder, I'm starting to compare him to Ryan Clowe a bit. Let's hope said comparison comes to fruition.
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