Wednesday, 07 September 2011 07:50

Wednesday Roundtable

With the 2011-2012 NHL season quickly approaching, the minds behind a few of the best Ottawa Senators Blogs on the net have gotten together to answer five major questions going into this season.

With five coaches in the last five years, will Paul MacLean be given a chance to grow with the team, through the good times and the bad? Or will his tenure behind the bench be linked to the team’s record?

Here are the thoughts from the best Sens blogs on the net:

Here’s Peter from Silversevensens and you can follow him on Twitter here.

Every coach's tenure is linked to the record the team assembles in front of him, so MacLean will be no different. However, even if the expectations of MacLean are pretty high, those of the team are pretty low; few people seriously think the Senators are competing for a playoff spot this year, and it's generally seen as a rebuilding year. So MacLean will certainly get the benefit of the doubt.

Here’s Jeremy from Black Aces  and you can follow him on Twitter here.

I can't see any circumstance where MacLean doesn't at least finish his first two seasons. Unlike Clouston, this was a hire that the Senators took their time with and Murray will have his back the whole way. The only fly in the ointment is the notion that Dave Cameron is Eugene Melnyk's guy and MacLean is Murray's guy. It's an odd situation when you have an assistant coach who the owner publicly backed for the head job. I wouldn't say it's a skeleton in the closet, but there's potential for problems down the road if the team goes into a really bad stretch under MacLean.

Here’s Stephen from SensTown and you can follow him on Twitter here.

The easy answer to that is any coaches tenure will be linked to his record. Your past accomplishments only buy you so much time as a bench boss, regardless of what they are. People have a very short attention span and want to always be winning now. I can understand that sentiment though, when you're paying hard earned money you don't really want to hear we'll be competitive in 4 years, just keep paying in the mean time.

Having said that, I have to say I am really enthused by the hiring of Paul MacLean, much more so than Hartsburgh or Clouston, who I never liked from day one. MacLean comes from the most consistently winning franchise in hockey and has learned under one of the best coaches in the game. He has an awesome attitude and I think will bring the right mix of disciplinarian and motivator to get the players to play to their potential. I see him being our coach for quite awhile and making an impact, plus you gotta love that big stache.

Here’s Nichols from The 6th Sens and you can follow him on Twitter here.

Yes.

Here's Tony from SenShot and you can follow him on Twitter here.

I think MacLean's tenure in Ottawa will be linked to the results the team produces. However, nobody expects the Senators to be contenders this year so his judgment will not be record based. I think it will be more on the development of a number of young players, as well as the year a number of the veterans have.

It was evident last year that many players gave up playing for former head coach Cory Clouston, and there was a variety of reasons for that. MacLean will have to tailor his coaching style to be all things to every player on the team. He will have to be tough and fair, understanding and patient, and will have to reward players based on performance and not salary.

With so many players having poor seasons last year, they will all need to have improvements on the ice this year to be considered a success for MacLean. Many believe that this rebuild will not be a long-term plan, but rather a year-or-two rebuild. I think in year twoMacLean will be judged a little more harshly by fans and media in Ottawa. MacLean will get a free pass this season, but next year the Sens will need to show improvement in the standings or questions will begin to be raised.

Here’s SensChirp and you can follow him on Twitter here.

I really can't imagine a scenario where Paul MacLean isn't here for the full three years on his current contract.  From Ownership on down, everyone in the organization finally seems to be on the same page.  The powers that be, along with the fans in this city, realize that this is going to be a young and relatively inexperienced hockey team next season, and likely for the next few seasons.  I honestly believe that if certain things go right (Healthy Spezza and Alfredsson, Bounce back year from Gonchar and Phillips, More of the Same from Anderson), the Sens can compete for a playoff spot as soon as this season but if they don't, MacLean definitely won't be the fall guy.  The changed expectations around this team means that Paul MacLean, and his mustache, will be given the opportunity to grow with the team.

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+1 #1 MethotToMyMadness 2011-09-07 07:12
I agree with the majority, MacLean will be given a fair chance here and considering the rebuild with lower expectations, it won't be so much about a winning record this year, but instead the progress in our younger players. As with any team going through a rebuild, It'll be tough to witness, but worth it when the team finally materializes into what we all know is coming.
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+2 #2 conservativeHippie 2011-09-07 07:31
I must say, the Sens organization has done a masterful job of setting expectations this year. Its almost as if everyone is expecting 92-93 all over again!

Personally, I still expect good hockey and for worst case scenarios to not be played out.
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+1 #3 Ryan 2011-09-07 07:35
I like the guy who just said yes lol
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0 #4 MethotToMyMadness 2011-09-07 07:40
Quoting Ryan:
I like the guy who just said yes lol


Ha ha ha... I know, classic response.
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+2 #5 my2sens 2011-09-07 07:44
First and foremost, I believe we will be a playoff spot challenger this season. The Stache seems like he will be a hard working coach, who will push for results, but play smart. That is, putting Gonchar/Karlsso n on their proper side during the powerplay, pairing young and old appropriately etc.

You couple his strong coaching skills with young talent pushing to make a name for themselves in the NHL and throw in aging veterans looking to place their hands on the Holy Grail of the hockey world and bounce back from last season... to be that sounds like a great recipe for success!

That being said... life is unpredictable and should the Sens falter - The Stache will not take the fall.

Side question - who's our hardest hitting player now? A-Train replacement for this season?
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0 #6 Johne 2011-09-07 08:10
http://twitter.com/dchesnokov - A terrible tragedy in Russia. A charter plane carrying KHL's Lokomotiv crashed. Only one person survived!
http://twitter.com/dchesnokov - According to @plysenkov the plane crashed at takeoff. There were 37 people on board. Condolences to the #KHL and Lokomotiv.
http://twitter.com/wyshynski - RT @BreakingNews: More on Russia plane crash: Majority of victims were members of professional ice hockey team Lokomotiv - RT.com http:/ ...
http://twitter.com/dchesnokov - The number of those perished is still being confirmed. Lokomotiv was on board. Its roster includes Vasyunov, Demitra, Salei, Skrastins...
http://twitter.com/dchesnokov - I will stay on top of the story and will provide details as they come in... #KHL #Lokomotiv
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0 #7 my2sens 2011-09-07 08:16
@ Johne - truly sad...

Was carrying the Lokomotiv Team?
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0 #8 stevrock 2011-09-07 08:22
I give it until the ASG before the criticism starts.
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0 #9 MethotToMyMadness 2011-09-07 09:02
Quoting my2sens:
@ Johne - truly sad...

Was carrying the Lokomotiv Team?


Yes, according to Russia Today Report: Plane crash kills 'majority' of KHL team Lokomotivto

Another site reports, At least 36 people have died in a Yakovlev Yak-42 passenger plane crash near the city of Yaroslavl in Central Russia. The majority of victims were members of the local ice hockey team Lokomotiv. There was 1 sole surviver.

The Team reported this morning that 3 people survived the crash, but no names were provided. It's hard to say at this point until everything is officially released, but it is truly a sad day. They had some well known ex NHL's such as Pavol Demitra, Karel Rachůnek and Ruslan Salei.
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+1 #10 Patty Lalime 2011-09-07 09:20
Really terrible. It's been a rough off season for hockey. The whole thing just gets me in the gut. McCrimmon just got over there this year for his first head coaching job. Guys like Demitra and Rachunek... not to mention Salei, Vasicek... it's just a weird feeling to think that so many guys I grew up watching are gone just like that. I only hope that whoever did survive the crash can pull through...
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0 #11 Johne 2011-09-07 09:21
http://twitter.com/dchesnokov - The plane couldn't get to the right altitude on take off and crashed into a radar.
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0 #12 -zs 2011-09-07 09:23
Updates I'm reading now say it is confirmed that the main roster (including Demitra, Rachunek, Salei, Vasicek, Skrastins McCrimmon, and Liv.)

Survivors are just 2, a crew member and Alexander Galimov.
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0 #13 Patty Lalime 2011-09-07 09:24
dchesnokov
SovSport is reporting that the lone survivor (at this point) is a crew member. No news about any survivors from #Lokomotiv.
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0 #14 dbakes 2011-09-07 10:13
So, who won the contest for best memory?
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0 #15 Johne 2011-09-07 10:24
http://twitter.com/SunGarrioch - Senators captan Daniel Alfredsson said he was close friends with Swedish goalie Stephane Liv.
http://twitter.com/SunGarrioch - Demitra was close friends with Zdeno Chara and Marian Hossa. All grew up in the hockey factory in Trencin, Slovakia.
http://twitter.com/SunGarrioch - Ottawa prospect Vitaly Anikeyenko, taken in the 2005 NHL entry draft, is listed on the Yaroslavl roster.
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-4 #16 Andrews Theory 2011-09-07 10:33
Even within my own company there has been talk in recent years about sending employees on different flights for exactly this reason.

Sad day without question. RIP
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-5 #17 Mitchell 2011-09-07 11:17
thank you johne, for keeping up the update weather it's tragic or trades

i think crosby should try showing some class and leaving his addicts for discussing himself to a later day. this is a tragic day in the world and and hockey
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0 #18 JRMcPeeWee 2011-09-07 11:42
I think MacLean will do well as he has a chance to mold the team the way he wants with the help of the few vets left. All the new guys will buy into his system as they want to make the team, I only see positives for the Sens going forward.
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+5 #19 The Apostle 2011-09-07 11:48
I think the Crosby announcement and this air crash are so cosmically unrelated it's ridiculous to think he needs to cancel.

If he's asked about out he'll give a bland statement saying it's a tragedy and that's exactly what he should do.

People should cut the guy some slack every once in a while.
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0 #20 The Apostle 2011-09-07 11:50
In other news, I agree that MacLean has a virtual mulligan this year unless we start 5-25 or something like that and will be given the first chance to work with the current prospects when the majority of them start making the roster in 2013/14.
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0 #21 JRMcPeeWee 2011-09-07 11:51
Sad news about the crash, but I agree that Crosby and his press conference should go on. They are both unrelated.
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0 #22 MethotToMyMadness 2011-09-07 12:43
Quoting dbakes:
So, who won the contest for best memory?


I was actually wondering this myself, the winner was supposed to be drawn yesterday if i recall.
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0 #23 fghtffyourdmns 2011-09-07 12:54
"Yes". Great justification 6thSens haha
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0 #24 St Nick 2011-09-07 14:14
My guess is that MacLean will be given at least a yr & if they don't show significant improvement in yr two from the previous yr then he will be on thin ice. The bigger question is with the players & how they will respond to the new coach. Many of these same players did not respond well to previous coaches but I think at this point fans & management alike will look at the players more than at the coach.

Luckily for Maclean as the veteran players age Murray is slowly cleaning house as contracts expire & he can build his system & trust with the younger players who are obviously the future of this team. Kuba, Auld & Carkner will likely be gone at the trade deadline as could Winchester & Lee. Next season look at the guys with expiring contracts to be traded by the trade deadline as the house cleaning continues.

On another note very sad day regarding the Russian Plane crash & losing the whole team, terrible tragety. RIP.
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0 #25 my2sens 2011-09-07 14:19
@ St Nick

If Lee builds off of the end of last season's play, he won't be going anywhere imo. Winchester is trickier... but I think you could be right there.
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+3 #26 Sandy 2011-09-07 14:34
There were two different reports on Salei. One said he was not on the plane... another said he was...

Truly tragic indeed.

Reports also state the plane might have had too much weight and could not gain altitude.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families, friends of these players.

As for McLean... he will at least be here through his contract.. IMO. This team is re-building and as long as the young players improve then that's a plus.

As for last year... IF the veterans tuned out Clouston.. then shame on them. The young guys came in after the deadline and played well. They knew the system and worked hard. I'm not defending Clouston as he obviously made mistakes and was not well liked... but it's time these players be professionals and just play.... it appears they tuned out too many coaches.

I'm looking forward to the season & in 3 days the rookie tournament.
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0 #27 Floridasensfan 2011-09-07 14:59
I agree that Maclean has a free pass this season.
I am looking forward to the roster being cleaned up a bit.
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-4 #28 Andrews Theory 2011-09-07 15:37
interesting that i rarely see any mention of the looming lock out....

there is a very real posssiblity that we may be going through another year of NHL drought soon.
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0 #29 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-09-07 15:43
Quoting Andrews Theory:
interesting that i rarely see any mention of the looming lock out....

there is a very real posssiblity that we may be going through another year of NHL drought soon.


After the Lockout of 2004-2005, which was like a reality check on both sides, I doubt we will see another crazy
stop in NHL regular season play !
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+1 #30 SensChirp 2011-09-07 15:59
Apologies for the delays on the contest. The eight contestants will be contacted tonight and the winner will be notified. After they know, I'll post the winning entry in the comment section.
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+4 #31 SensChirp 2011-09-07 16:00
Such devastating news coming out of Russia today. Was getting updates over my phone and could not believe what I was reading. Thoughts and prayers are with the friends and family of those who tragically lost their lives.

Unbelievably sad summer for the game we love.
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0 #32 MethotToMyMadness 2011-09-07 16:30
Quoting SensChirp:
Such devastating news coming out of Russia today. Was getting updates over my phone and could not believe what I was reading. Thoughts and prayers are with the friends and family of those who tragically lost their lives.

Unbelievably sad summer for the game we love.


It has been a sad sad summer for Hockey. The KHL has received it's share of bad criticism since inception. There has been so much bad press already, this cannot be good for the league. Does anyone think a tragedy such as this may make other's who ponder the KHL as an option avoid it all together?
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+1 #33 MethotToMyMadness 2011-09-07 16:40
Has anyone seen the new signage that went up at the SBP today?

Chirp, I see you posted a Tweet about it just moments ago. I had seen it on Twackle earlier. Too bad you can't post images here, it's pretty cool. You should be able to see it with this link

http://yfrog.com/h0sxlxcj
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0 #34 Round Leaf 2011-09-07 16:49
Quoting madpajamma:


It has been a sad sad summer for Hockey. The KHL has received it's share of bad criticism since inception. There has been so much bad press already, this cannot be good for the league. Does anyone think a tragedy such as this may make other's who ponder the KHL as an option avoid it all together?


Reports have the airline in question overlooking numerous safety precautions which ultimately led to the disaster. While that doesn't reflect poorly on the KHL, it doesn't help Russia's marketability to these players. I think a lot of future free agents will realize that there are more important things in life than money.
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0 #35 Sandy 2011-09-07 17:24
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:
Quoting Andrews Theory:
interesting that i rarely see any mention of the looming lock out....

there is a very real posssiblity that we may be going through another year of NHL drought soon.


After the Lockout of 2004-2005, which was like a reality check on both sides, I doubt we will see another crazy
stop in NHL regular season play !


With Fehr... you never know. He is a hardliner who will have no remorse if he took the players to a strike...
The league will lose all it has gained in the US if they lose another season.
I don't know if I can survive another year without hockey.
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+1 #36 Sandy 2011-09-07 17:32
The type of plane they were on is banned from flying the airspace of the European Union.. so that does not say much.

They had Jamie Rivers on the Team 1200 today who said the planes he used to travel on were very scary.

Let's face it.. Russia (since the dismantling of the Soviet Union) is not the richest country.

Their airline system has come under scrutiny in the past for the lax safety measures.

It's tragic the lives lost today because of that. There were different reports that the plane was too heavy and could not gain altitude.. that is just negligence in my mind.. needless waste of life.

If these owners of the KHL teams are supposed to be so wealthy.. you would think they would buy their own planes and make sure they are safer.

I wonder how many foreign players will consider the KHL now... is it worth their life to fly in unsafe planes?
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-1 #37 Patrick1 2011-09-07 19:29
He's good for 5 years in my books. I'm with him for better or worse. Best coach we've had in Ottawa since Jacques Martin.
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0 #38 Sensational Sens Fan 2011-09-07 22:12
RIP Yaroslavl Locomotiv. This bullshit of an offseason can't end soon enough.
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0 #39 SensChirp 2011-09-08 06:45
Did the draw on SBP Memories last night and #7 was the winner. Thanks to everyone that sent in their memories and in particular to the eight that were featured on the site.

Lots more contest coming this season!
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0 #40 MethotToMyMadness 2011-09-08 09:43
Quoting SensChirp:
Did the draw on SBP Memories last night and #7 was the winner. Thanks to everyone that sent in their memories and in particular to the eight that were featured on the site.

Lots more contest coming this season!


It was fun, brought back some good memories for sure. Can't wait for the next contest.
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0 #41 Sandy 2011-09-08 12:43
Off topic.... saw in the Ottawa Sun.... (yeah I know).

Some of the Sens players were playing a pick-up game of soccer today at the Sensplex.... Regin hurt his ankle and had to be helped off the field.

Nothing was said as to the severity of the injury.. but if he could not walk on it... not good...

So now who plays 2nd line centre?

The injuries are happening even before training camp...
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0 #42 Mitchell 2011-09-08 12:48
@Sandy

if for some reason at all Regin can not play for the beginning of the season I'd have to say Da Costa or Zibanejad
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0 #43 Sandy 2011-09-08 12:48
Quoting Mitchell:
@Sandy

if for some reason at all Regin can not play for the beginning of the season I'd have to say Da Costa or Zibanejad


Probably right... but both of them were probably plan B or C... Regin was probably plan A.
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0 #44 MethotToMyMadness 2011-09-08 12:49
Quoting Sandy:
Off topic.... saw in the Ottawa Sun.... (yeah I know).

Some of the Sens players were playing a pick-up game of soccer today at the Sensplex.... Regin hurt his ankle and had to be helped off the field.

Nothing was said as to the severity of the injury.. but if he could not walk on it... not good...

So now who plays 2nd line centre?

The injuries are happening even before training camp...


Oh man, lets hope it was more precaution than anything. And remember, there is so little to talk about leading up to the season, any small story will become a big one. The Sun is good for that.
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-1 #45 Sensnation 2011-09-08 12:57
Quoting Sandy:
Off topic.... saw in the Ottawa Sun.... (yeah I know).

Some of the Sens players were playing a pick-up game of soccer today at the Sensplex.... Regin hurt his ankle and had to be helped off the field.

Nothing was said as to the severity of the injury.. but if he could not walk on it... not good...

So now who plays 2nd line centre?

The injuries are happening even before training camp...


I still think Foligno is the front runner, even over a healthy Regin. Da Costa I think has the best chance to step in though.
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0 #46 hello_gary 2011-09-08 12:57
Quoting madpajamma:
Quoting Sandy:
Off topic.... saw in the Ottawa Sun.... (yeah I know).

Some of the Sens players were playing a pick-up game of soccer today at the Sensplex.... Regin hurt his ankle and had to be helped off the field

So now who plays 2nd line centre?

The injuries are happening even before training camp...


Oh man, lets hope it was more precaution than anything. And remember, there is so little to talk about leading up to the season, any small story will become a big one. The Sun is good for that.



Agree - he could have just landed on his foot wrong and something tightened up in the ankle.

But, that being said, I guess my dream deal of Regin for Kyle Turris is nixed if he is in fact injured!

Just saw the photo of Alex Auld - does anyone else think that the Ottawa goaltending tandem are trying for their best Mr. Clean look-alike competition? :)
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0 #47 miguel 2011-09-08 13:59
Regin injury,
this is not good news, from one who has played soccer all my life, indoor soccer on the turf is brutal on the knees and ankle rolls are very common, and to be helped off the turf is a very bad sign.
Hopefully it is a light sprain, but even that will keep him off the ice for some time, and he of all people needs to be on the ice for training camp.
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0 #48 jakester 2011-09-08 14:11
These guys are hockey players - why are they playing soccer - so much can go wrong when you try to get the soccer ball from another guy. That's how ankles are broken - hope the Stache puts an end to this crap. I like DaCosta he looked good at the World Championship's - slick with the puck - makes amazing passes. I hope Zibanejad makes the team also now if Regin f-ed up.
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0 #49 miguel 2011-09-08 14:29
Quoting jakester:
These guys are hockey players - why are they playing soccer - so much can go wrong when you try to get the soccer ball from another guy. That's how ankles are broken - hope the Stache puts an end to this crap. I like DaCosta he looked good at the World Championship's - slick with the puck - makes amazing passes. I hope Zibanejad makes the team also now if Regin f-ed up.

glad to hear you comments on Da Costa, I only saw him briefly at the summer camp, and I was really not overly impressed, but if you saw more game action in the World's then maybe he is much better in game action... usually great passers with great vision excel in game conditions.
But agreed with the soccer, it is a great way to stay in shape, but do not recommend top atheletes playing on a turf!
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-1 #50 Andrews Theory 2011-09-08 14:40
Quoting Sandy:
Off topic.... saw in the Ottawa Sun.... (yeah I know).

Some of the Sens players were playing a pick-up game of soccer today at the Sensplex.... Regin hurt his ankle and had to be helped off the field.

Nothing was said as to the severity of the injury.. but if he could not walk on it... not good...

So now who plays 2nd line centre?

The injuries are happening even before training camp...



if he wasn't able to put any weight on it,I'm going to go with a torn ligament... out 4-6 weeks.

this may actually not be a bad thing because it will allow some of the other players to audition what they have on the big stage.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Sens give Zibby a 9 game tryout to start the season.
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0 #51 miguel 2011-09-08 14:47
Quoting Andrews Theory:
Quoting Sandy:
Off topic.... saw in the Ottawa Sun.... (yeah I know).

Some of the Sens players were playing a pick-up game of soccer today at the Sensplex.... Regin hurt his ankle and had to be helped off the field.

Nothing was said as to the severity of the injury.. but if he could not walk on it... not good...

So now who plays 2nd line centre?

The injuries are happening even before training camp...



if he wasn't able to put any weight on it,I'm going to go with a torn ligament... out 4-6 weeks.

this may actually not be a bad thing because it will allow some of the other players to audition what they have on the big stage.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Sens give Zibby a 9 game tryout to start the season.

a really bad sprain can be bad, so not necessarily a torn ligament, I really want to see him bounce back
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0 #52 Sandy 2011-09-08 14:53
Someone said it was mentioned on Twitter -- a sprained ankle.

Don't follow twitter.. so don't know where that came from or how accurate it is.

If a sprained ankle -- how long would he be out? I heard a sprain is worse than a break? Training camp is less than 10 days away.
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0 #53 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-09-08 15:00
I just re-read the #7 article, which turned out to be the winner, and that year, was the time I switched from Canadiens to the Senators.

I was a Hab fan for over 35 years, but living in Ottawa, I simply said that I should support the local team, and have been a Senators fan since that time.

Great article and Congrats to the winner.

GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rockin Robert
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-1 #54 Andrews Theory 2011-09-08 15:16
Quoting Sandy:
Someone said it was mentioned on Twitter -- a sprained ankle.

Don't follow twitter.. so don't know where that came from or how accurate it is.

If a sprained ankle -- how long would he be out? I heard a sprain is worse than a break? Training camp is less than 10 days away.


sounds like a cop out but it depends on the severity of the sprain. A severe sprain is often a torn ligament.

if it was a twist, he could be back up ready to go within a few days and if it was in fact severe, he's looking at 4 weeks minimum.

it's often more painful than a break because your essentially pulling or tearing nerve endings. broken bones heal within a set time frame for the most part. ligaments and nerve endings are bit more finicky dependant on the indivual and the severity.
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0 #55 miguel 2011-09-08 15:20
Quoting Andrews Theory:
Quoting Sandy:
Someone said it was mentioned on Twitter -- a sprained ankle.

Don't follow twitter.. so don't know where that came from or how accurate it is.

If a sprained ankle -- how long would he be out? I heard a sprain is worse than a break? Training camp is less than 10 days away.


sounds like a cop out but it depends on the severity of the sprain. A severe sprain is often a torn ligament.

if it was a twist, he could be back up ready to go within a few days and if it was in fact severe, he's looking at 4 weeks minimum.

it's often more painful than a break because your essentially pulling or tearing nerve endings. broken bones heal within a set time frame for the most part. ligaments and nerve endings are bit more finicky dependant on the indivual and the severity.

Well said,
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0 #56 miguel 2011-09-08 15:26
I have "sprained" my ankle to the point that a break would have been better, this is extremely painful, and harmful in that the injury never fully repairs. But that would be terrible if he had to come back to soccer. Since he can put the ankle in a boot and remain relatively stiff, then he should be back fairly soon, depending again on how badly it is sprained.
Anyway I know Regin had a terrible season, but for some reason I still believe in him, and want to see him bounce back this year.
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