It has been well documented that this year's free agent group is fairly weak. There certainly isn't a ton of high end talent to be had so I'm really not expecting that busy of a day in the Nation's Capital. With that said, I do expect Murray to do at least a little bit of shopping, especially when you consider the fact that the Sens have so much cap space heading into next season.
As far as top six forwards go, Brad Richards, Jussi Jokinen and Ville Leino appear to be among the best options available. After the weekend purge in Philly, you would expect they will do everything they can to keep Leino around. Brad Richards is the top UFA this off season and is out of the question.
Jokinen on the other hand is a guy that will hit the market and I would expect Murray to at least kick tires on that front.
Jokinen has scored 49 goals over the last two seasons and is deadly in the shootout. He will be looking to cash in when the market opens. Jokinen will get at least $4 mil a season and on a long term deal (three or more years). Murray will make a call but the price and term are likely going to be a little too rich for the Sens.
Other names that may be of interest include Brooks Laich, Tomas Fleischmann and Simon Gagne.
As far as a back up goalie goes, I think we'll see the Sens go with the most affordable option. With Anderson expected to get the bulk of the games and Lehner pushing hard from Bingo, there is no reason for Murray to spend big here. Expect to hear names like Conklin, Turco, Auld, Harding, and Garon thrown around.
At this point, the only certainty is the Sens signing a goalie. Murray has indicated he would like to add another forward but that definitely isn't a must and he isn't going to overpay. For a team in a rebuild, you could easily justify going with the group they have and letting some of the young guys battle for those top six spots.
- The Sens also have eight restricted free agents that they will need to deal with as well. Qualifying offers for those players are due today at 5:00 PM. Will try to dig up a little more information on this because there's a good chance not all of the RFAs will be receiving a QO.
- The Ottawa Senators will kick off their annual development camp beginning tomorrow in Ottawa. All ten of the players drafted by the Sens this weekend are expected to be in attendance. Expecting more information on the camp to be released today. Will add it to the bottom of this post when it becomes available.
Let our kids get a shot at the big show next year and see what talent in our system can do. Worst case scenario is that we get another lottery pick next year and then become a true contender instead of an also ran.
Chirp any news if the Swedes are coming to Camp this year, Sorensen/Silfverberg/Petersson/Sandin/Zibanejad
any idea if any of them have a shot at making the team
I doubt it, he is in his 3 year, but i'm sure BM will sent the invite,
I believe it has been said that all of Ottawa's 2011 picks will attend the development camp, but Chirp posted earlier on twitter that Filatov will not make it in time. I'm guessing all the otehr notable prospects will be there, including the swedes.
Will not be there apparently.
It's not like we are only 1 or 2 free agency signings away from being a contender.
Good start...
Rebuild people, unless we can land Richards and Laich, I think that would put an end to the rebuild but I doubt it. Murray did not pick a shitload of players just to nix the rebuild plan, let them develop, were not going anywhere standing wise.
You people called for a rebuild, its gonna take 2-3 years.
interesting if this really is filatov. If it is, sounds like he plans to be in ottawa before training camp.
get on it murray!
But next year would be the year to bottom out, with what is supposed to be the best draft class since 2005!
No one is bottoming out next year Tookie. Give it up on your super draft class already. Let's just let the cards fall where they may and go from there. 1 draft just finished and you already can't wait for the next one?
Who was complaining? I think people just wanted to know if he was going to be there or not, I don't care either way. It's development camp not training camp...
Turco is way over the hill. It's unfortunate he didn't get the hint to retire when Dallas wouldn't renew him.
Out of the UFA market, I hope we go for someone with a bit of a track record but that is still relatively young. Josh Harding and Thomas Greiss come to mind. Varlamov on the RFA market may be worth a look as well if Washington decides he's not their guy or would trade him at a reasonable price as they have 3 good young goalies.
I dont mean tanking on purpose, I just mean we should do whatever possible to be in a good position come draft 2012. Players like Yakupov and Galchenyuk dont come along very often.
Tookie was ... of course
ASSETS: Is an explosive skater with slick moves and a keen ability to light the lamp. Has game-changing shiftiness and excellent offensive instincts.
FLAWS: Must add bulk to his 6-0 frame in order to maximize his scoring potential in the NHL. Needs to work on his defensive-zone coverage and increase his level of intensity.
CAREER POTENTIAL: Highly-skilled winger with defensive and consistency issues.
Sounds a lot like Kovalev, good thing he is not still here to mentor him in his lazy enigmatic ways. If Filatov wants to play here I think he is worth a shot, good move by BM.
When was Kovalev ever an explosive skater? lol...I really don't want to be comparing this kid to Kovalev, that name rings a bad vibe in this town...
I like the Bure comparison the best. Obviously that's probably beyond a best case scenario, but I could live with a poor man's Bure tapping in Spezza's passes.
Thats not very hard to do, the Leafs were better than us last year...
The guys we picked this year wont play for another 2 years. Right now we have a pathetic top 6, with a decent D corps that still needs development. We have a solid goalie.
Filatov Spezza Butler
Michalek Regin/Foligno Alfie
That is pretty bad, that has to be one of the most injury prone top 6 I've ever seen.
Yeah Bure had the explosive skating and defensive issues but I don't think he had consistency issues like Kovalev is notorious for.
I am thinking of someone like Marco Sturm might be a cheap
signing on a year deal.
Matt Bradley is somone who Murray should look at signing.
As far as forwards go I could see Murray inquiring about Laich and Jokinen, but the tag may be too high. Laich would be awsome for his leadership qualities alone.
What about Samsonov to give a Russion comrad for Filatov? Just saying..
Other choices would be Leino, Ryder, Connolly, Cole, Fleischmann, Upshall,Miettin en, Larose (who has been a Sen killer),Talbot, Dupuis,...
My bad I misread that, thought it was training camp. My apologies.
Too early in Filatov's career to compare his consistency issues to Kovalev. Just about every prospect his age has consistency issues.
My problem with those goalies is that they're really potential #1 goalies, I don't see any need in having goalies battle for #1, I just want a backup that can step in for Anderson on b2b's and any injuries.
Is that a potential trade?
Queue the Yakupov talk...
Who are potential #1s? Harding and Greiss? Varlamov may be one for sure, but remember we still need at least 1 more potential starter for the future. I doubt Lehner will flop, but we have to have a backup plan in case of injury. Harding and Greiss still have enough potential, but at the same time have such little track record that they will still be backups at this stage in their careers.
I could see there being a problem with Varlamov though, he's almost a starter as it is, so maybe he would not welcome the backup role.
What's so great about Leino, maybe I just don't get it? He's never had a 20 goal season and only had 5 points in this years playoffs.
A trade for Gaborik would be awesome if we can manage to include Kuba in the deal. We have the space for him at the moment and there is only 3 years remaining on his contract. I think Gaborik would be more ideal than Richards because Gaborik is starting to become healthier and has been scoring a lot the past 2 years.
Consider me excited
Any rumors i've heard about Gabby sound like it would be worth ottawa to try. His contract is big, sure, but we have tonnes of cap room and there is only 3 years left in the deal. plus we would be shipping out Kuba or Gonchar and saving money. filatov, spezza, gabby BOOM
Not sure that he'd want to come back though.
B. Richards / 31 / UFA
80 24 67 91
72 28 49 77
M. Gaborik / 29 / 3 year left @ 7.5Mil cap hit.
76 42 44 86
62 22 26 48
Phillips NTC
Gonchar NTC
Kuba
Karlsson
Lee
Carkner
Rundblad
-------------
Cowen
What's wrong with rewarding a few forwards from Bingo with some ice time up here? Someone mentioned this in the comments in the last article and I totally agree. Potulny was huge and so was Keller (just to name a few)! Let them play with the Sens and see if they have what it takes.
They have 12Mil in cap space with only a few roster spots to fill. They wont re-sign Ryder at 4mil, nor Kaberle at 4mil, Hnidy is gone, Recchi retires.
I doubt Marchand will demand 8 Million!!! lol
With Carter going to the CBJ I wonder if we could pry Umberger from the Jackets for a price? I don't think they are going to demote Brassard just cause they got Carter
T. Ruuttu, P. Stastny, R. Umberger, there's Oshie (If T Yost is right)
Or I thought, Offer:
Wiercioch and 2nd to Washington for Marcus Johansson.
TO NYR: Kuba and late 2012 draft
To OTT: Gaborik
spezza and gaborik could be magic together.
Well Ruutu, Stastny & Oshie will demand a blue chip prospect, no way around that, so if the Sens are willing to part with 1, it can be done, Im sure their looking into it.
Umberger is a very poor man's 2nd line player, not really what the team needs. Johansson would require significantly more than that, he's got pretty high projections for his career. Oshie makes the most sense if he's available, but Laich or even keeping Foligno at C seem like the best "free" options imo.
I know I will get shat upon... but I liked the guy when he was in Ottawa. I think he would be a good backup and he will bring fight into the blue paint while he's in there...
I dont know Jabs, he seems to be doing a fine job in CBJ???
82 26 20 46 53
82 23 32 55 40
82 25 32 57 38
Consistent 20+ goal man in CBJ, not bad.
I don't think people realize that the lines are constantly shaken up shift to shift and game to game. Does it really matter who is on what line? As long as they all contribute, we'll be fine. Just look at what Bingo's depth did for them! I'm hoping MacLean will bring that from Detroit, though I know that the Red Wings did heavily rely on their top players.
So Butler doesnt even play? Alfie is not 1st line material anymore, he is 2nd/3rd line. The way Spezza and Butler finshed the year, how can you seperate them. Alfie can play with Regin & Michalek.
So you wanna be like the Leafs and Habs?
CBJ: Gonchar (Doubt Gonch waives though)
Ott: Umberger
Straight up.
Then Sign Bieksa, Wisniewski, Erhoff, Hannan, or even Jovanovski for the right price. A leader by example who would shore up and compliment our Blueline rather nicely.
Jovanovski Karlsson
Phillips Runblad
Cowen Carkner
Then do Kuba/2nd/O'Brie n for Gabby
Sign Chad Larose
Fila Spezz BB16
Gabby Berger Alfie
9MM Larose Niky71
Greening Smith Nailer
Another of many possibilities.
Butler should be on that first line I agree, but! this maybe Alfredsson's last year. I just wanted to make sure he was on line 1 to finish his year (if that is the case, i can't speak for him and I do hope he is back for more years to come) Butler will play in the minors and on call ups to replace Michalek which I assume is seconds away from injury his knee. or even Condra's spot he can take. I just dislike LW playing on RW vis versa.
He's decent for sure, just personally don't feel like he's a good enough 2nd line player. Would rather see the young guys we have get a chance over trying to acquire him. I wouldn't cry though if we got him, probably just a personal thing on my end.
Gonchar wont waive to go to CBJ...
That would be a nice line up, no doubt, IF we were contenders...We re in a rebuild, Murray wont bring in a 7.5Mil cap hit (Gabby) who is amost 30 years old.
Umberger fits a little better, since his cap is half that but only 2 years left instead of 3 for Gabby.
I think we need a 2C for maybe 2 years, my vote is for Laich, he's 28, sign him to 2 years. His cap hit last year was $2,066,000, it wont be much more than that. He fits the bill!
We dont have a NHL rdy 2C in our cupboard. Why not get Laich to hold the spot until Zibby comes in.
28 Nikita Filatov - 19 Jason Spezza - 16 Bobby Butler
71 Nick Foligno - 13 Peter Regin - 11 Daniel Alfredsson
?? ?????? ?????? - 52 Colin Greening - 9 Milan Michalek
18 Jesse Winchester - 15 Zach Smith - 25 Chris Neil
4 Chris Phillips - 55 Sergei Gonchar
17 Filip Kuba - 65 Erik Karlsson
36 Matt Carkner - 5 Brian Lee
41 Craig Anderson
?? ????? ???????
Exactly, Laich would be a much better fit then Umberger. Also, don't forget that a lot of Umberger's numbers you quoted from the last few seasons were done with some of his time spent on the 1st line, so they're a bit inflated from his normal role on most teams.
Michalek is a top 6 forward, not worth discussing any roster that doesn't have him in that role.
Left Wing Center Right Wing
Filatov Spezza Butler
Michalek LAICH Alfredsson
Regin DaCosta Petersson
Greening Smith Neil
EXTRA
Winchester
Condra
Gonchar Karlsson
Rundblad Phillips
Kuba Lee
EXTRA:
Cowen
Carkner
Lee
Anderson
LALIME
Trade Proposal:
To Ottawa: Pierre-Marc Bouchard and a 2nd 2012
To Minnesota: Kuba and Regin
28 Nikita Filatov - 19 Jason Spezza - 16 Bobby Butler
9 Milan Michalek - 22 Brooks Laich - 11 Daniel Alfredsson
71 Nick Foligno - 52 Colin Greening - 38 - Erik Condra
18 Jesse Winchester - 15 Zach Smith - 25 Chris Neil
4 Chris Phillips - 55 Sergei Gonchar
7 David Rundblad - 65 Erik Karlsson
17 Filip Kuba - 5 Brian Lee
39 Matt Carkner
That said, if true, it sounds like he's a sun and fun kinda guy and not one that would play for a Canadian team due to the pressure.
Regardless, Philly has probably got a wink and dudge agreement with him already.
@Tookie,
While I agree Yakupov looks like an amazing talent and would be an amazing addition to Ottawa's forward prospects on the left side, I'd also say it is too early to be determining projections and saying "we need this guy". Think of Couturier, he was a "lock" based on the year prior, and went 8th overall.
Also, you are very quick to say "this or that sens prospects may not develop" which is 100% possible. But you are very quick to say Yakupov is the real deal.
No, I want to be like you.
I was just saying what I think management has in store for this season. YOU want to be NYI? FLA? YOu think bottoming out is the only solution...oh wait you're a LEAFS fan, of course you want the SENS to suck...
p.s. I know a guy who has a Doug Gilmour poster for sale that would look good above your bed in your parents' basement, I'll let you know how much.
Right out of the gate I've always like Ladd, Sharp and Umberger. All 3 could have been had multiple times the last 3 or 4 years. Get one of them BM. Sharp isn't happening (yet, UFA after next year) Ladd is not happening (unless the Jets are stupid) so put together a package and land us RJ, then sign a forward or 2 July 1, a goalie, and get rid of Kuba.
Come on Howsen, you know you wannnntttttt to
Kuba/3rd/O'brie n
for
Umberger!
Or something revolving around wiercioch if they play hardball.
Considering Howson just traded for Carter (who they still haven't heard from btw), I highly doubt they're going to trade Umberger, who is one of Carter's buddies.
I'm sure it's already done. They don't announce every qualifying offer, generally they announce all of them after 5 pm, and then you know who they haven't qualified.
Who do you think they will make qualifying offers to?
Has to happen by 5:00pm...
Butler, Bobby
Condra, Erik
Wick, Roman
Kinrade, Geoff
Daugavins, K.
Bailey, Jason
Potulny, Ryan
Bass, Cody
I think there's 0% chance he doesn't qualify BB, don't worry about it.
I hope they all get resigned. These are all cornerstone BSens players.
BB16 needs to play pro next season I dunno wats up with that!
The development camp is for prospects who are still a ways away. Its so the brass can gage how far along players are in their development and what they need to work on in the off-season. Filatov is 21 and has a real shot of cracking the top 6. He needs to focus on his offseason training and get ready for real camp.
As far as free agency goes, a backup is a must, but the second group of free agent forwards listed seems to be a better fit. Laich or Fleischmann to be would be the best fit.
The problem is that most will likely be looking for one-way deals. I don't think Murray wants to have two many more players on one way deals.
I think the deals will get done, but only for those players the Sens see a long term future for (with the Sens). Brian Murray mentioned, earlier in the summer, that they will have to make some hard decisions on some players. and that some of these decisions may not be real popular with the fans. That is why I asked the question. I'm more curious about who they qualify then I am scared of losing someone. Most of these guys are depth players, and I can't see Murray wanting to keep them all.
I think BB, Daugavins and Condra are locks. Wick is highly likely.
Kinrade looks like a casualty, and Jason Bailey may be young enough to warrant another contract that keeps him between ECHL and AHL.
The hard choices I think are Bass and Potulny. Both deserve to at least play in the AHL again next year, but both are fringe NHLers that may deserve a chance on another team and are probably looking for 1 way contracts. I'd personally let Bass go for his sake and try to retain Potulny on a short deal to see if he can make it out of camp.
Bring on the 2012 NHL Season and the Sens should be battling for 10-6 in the east!!!
No need to sign a UFA (other then a goalie, sad to see Mcback-up leave).
Filatov - Spezza - Butler
Michalek - Regin - Alfie
Foligno - Da Costa - Greening
Smith - Shannon - Neil
(Winchester)
Phillips - Lee
Gonchar - Karlsson
Carkner - Kuba
(Cowen, Rundblad)
Anderson
UFA!!!!
I pray that Kuba gets moved!!!!!
FIL ALOTOV NETS
That's exactly the kond of response I was looking for, and I think you're right on all of them. I like Bass, but I think he deserves a chance elsewhere, if he so chooses. Like I said, it will be interesting.
Have you seen him play? He just turned 17 and blew up the OHL in his first year, that doesnt happen often, he's got speed, he can score, from anywhere, he's chippy, fights, hits, he a great playmaker, great vision, only knock on him is he celebrates too much.....makes you think of someone??
After all the clips that have played the last few days post trade ... it reminds me of Filatov. Is it just me or does this kid celebrate more than Ovie? Is this a new russian theme or something?
Yes they usually dont announce them after 5pm, only 2 more hours to go!
Michalek - Zibanejad - Butler
Foligno - Smith - Regin
Condra - Greening - Neil
Winchester
Rundblad - Karlsson
Phillips - Cowen
Gonchar - Lee
Carkner
Anderson
UFA Signing
2-way
Isn't that what COL is apparently doing? They were going the right direction, just needed another season or two, then they did that stupid Johnson trade, then that stupid Anderson trade, and now look where they're standing.
Yep
http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=567433
DaCosta is on a 2-way.
Who the heck is Clarkner : p
Angelo Esposito?
aha hes so dumb
Umberger? Now that would be a funny one. After what he commented on his twitter about Filatov leaving... I don't think there is any way in hell he would come to Ottawa. Personally after seeing that... I would not want him.
Link?
Disagree... Butler will be in Ottawa NOT in Binghamton.
Nice list of prospects we now have in the system.
A+ Murray
Is Kirill Lyamin still considered a prospect, will he come to north america????
Condra on the 3rd line.... Kuba with Karlsson = FAIL
My bad! I thought we would've heard something before 5...
I think I read or heard somewhere that Richards would prefer not to go somewhere where there is a lot of media pressure. If true, you would think the big market teams are out.
I think the reason why he would not waive his no-trade was that he was going to July 1st.... and did not want to see other teams waste picks/prospects on him -- when he most likely would not be going there.
Personally 99.9% chance he does not come to Ottawa... but if he did.. how pissed of with Burkie be?
If I'm Murray I make a some fair offers to those guys, find a cheap goalie and leave it at that. If any of the three seem interested pitch them on the city, the organization etc, but don't up the offer much.
There's no point in spending to the cap just yet - let Melnyk rest his checkbook for a season or two until we really need to max out.
And if we're approaching the deadline we sell - no matter what. If someone wants Kuba, Gonchar etc we happily take their draft picks from them. DO NOT BUY AT THE DEADLINE.
I believe Murray did say, before the draft, that he was working on contracts for both.
I'm interested in knowing what he does with Potulny, and Daugavins.
Do you know if Andre Petersson will be competing for a roster spot this year? I can't find anything saying he's signed to HV71 in SEL for another year.
Is he still having back problems? I was really excited about this guy a couple years ago, after his WJ's performance, but he hasn't seemed to have developed as I hoped.
I would say all of them except Bailey. Unless they know Potulny and Daugavins are going to Europe. I hope they sign for at least a year or two... you never know they may get a chance at the NHL.
Thats not very hard to do, the Leafs were better than us last year...
The guys we picked this year wont play for another 2 years. Right now we have a pathetic top 6, with a decent D corps that still needs development. We have a solid goalie.
Filatov Spezza Butler
Michalek Regin/Foligno Alfie
That is pretty bad, that has to be one of the most injury prone top 6 I've ever seen.
ok Tookie time to put your money where your mouth is.
you have been goin on about the Sens not making the playoffs, and even sayint that the Leafs look better the the Sens right now?!?!?!?
I say they make the playoffs.
if they do, you admit that you know nothing, and if they dont then I will admit I know nothing,
Loser takes on the name: Iknownothingabouthockey
are you in? or scared?
Thats not very hard to do, the Leafs were better than us last year...
...Right now we have a pathetic top 6, with a decent D corps that still needs development. We have a solid goalie.
Filatov Spezza Butler
Michalek Regin/Foligno Alfie
That is pretty bad, that has to be one of the most injury prone top 6 I've ever seen.
ok Tookie time to put your money where your mouth is.
you have been goin on about the Sens not making the playoffs, and even sayint that the Leafs look better the the Sens right now?!?!?!?
I say they make the playoffs.
if they do, you admit that you know nothing, and if they dont then I will admit I know nothing,
Loser takes on the name: Iknownothingabouthockey
are you in? or scared?
this is intended for Tookie, are you in???
It has since been erased by him.... but more or less Umberger said... he is glad Howson got a 3rd round pick for that guy.. and that Columbus is a better team now.
In my mind... okay he did not like him... but too do it publicly like that..... CLASSLESS in my books.
switch foligno/michalek
add condra
bring up Rundblad for sure and maybe cowen also. lee or carkner go through waivers and play in the AHL as call ups
Time to let the kids play
His next tweet was wishing Filatov the best of luck, said he was a good kid that really needed a fresh start.
The 30% chance I give to them is if Anderson puts on a clinic all year.
Not trying to be a downer but realistically we gotta wait for these young guns to develop in the NHL....Takes at least 1 full season...
Must of been a fake Tookie, the real Tookie is NEVER wrong.
Really surprised with Bass.. great character, hard working guy.
I guess too much going into the lineup this year coming out from junior, college or Elmira -- Petersson, Wacey Hamilton, Cannone, Caporusso & most likely Da Costa... someone had to go to make room for the 3 or 4 coming in.
Also -- who won't sign the contract?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/747871-2011-nhl-draft-grades-for-every-nhl-team-throughout-the-first-round/page/8
The baby Sens didn't have a chance at the beginning of the year either - we know what happened there. To be honest, with the new coaching staff, the new style, a much better goalie and a good mix of vets and young guys, I say we make the playoffs. Time will tell.
I put out a challenge to him earlier to put his money where his mouth is and he is gone...must be scared so I will repeat it here:
you have been goin on about the Sens not making the playoffs, and even sayint that the Leafs look better the the Sens right now?!?!?!?
I say they make the playoffs.
if they do, you admit that you know nothing, and if they dont then I will admit I know nothing,
Loser takes on the name: Iknownothingabo uthockey
are you in? or scared?
this is intended for Tookie, are you in???
THe AHL is not the NHL...I was extremely happy for Bingo and how well they played down the stretch and in the post season but that same team would be in last place if they played 82 NHL games. We have the right pieces but it's gonna take time for them to fit...
Everybody was quite fine when we are all saying at the end of game 82 of this past season that it might be another year or 2 before we get playoff hockey again, just cause we had a great draft isn't going to make our team instantly better.
We will for sure place better than we did last year, I have no doubt, but I'm not getting my hopes up for the playoffs just yet....
I have seen him play, and I also believe he is lights out. I'm not saying that he is bad.
But, Sean Couturier put up nearly the same point totals, (in the 2009-2010 season) as an under ager. AND was a +62 rather than a -2. I'm not one to put much into +/-, but that is no coincidence.
My point is, everyone thought Couturier was unreal in his underage year, and he got drafted 8th this year. Hard to project even next year for these kids, let alone that they will be all stars in the NHL.
Having said that, I do agree he looks amazing, just not ready to give the 1st overall yet.
Let's analyze the teams:
Shoe-ins - Washington, Boston, Pittsburgh, New Jersey, Tampa Bay
Crap pile - Florida, NYI, Winnipeg, Toronto
Competing for a playoff spot - Philly, Buffalo, NYR, Ottawa, Carolina and maybe Montreal
So a 3 in 6 shot to take one of the final 3 playoff spots, or 50% chance :)
I think that falls about right with the odds, and I believe we will fall on the right side of those odds! Go Sens GO!
(Obviously this is without UFA consideration)
..How awesome would it be Stamkos and Spezza together ..
Forwards: Cannone, Pat; Caporusso, Louie; Costello, Jeff;
Cowick, Corey; Culek, Jakub; Da Costa, Stephane;
Dzingel, Ryan; Dziurzynski, David; Grant, Derek;
Hamilton, Wacey; Hoffman, Mike; Kramer, Darren;
McCormick, Max; Noesen, Stefan; Pageau, Jean-Gabriel;
Peltz, Brad; Petersson, André; Prince, Shane; Puempel, Matt;
Silfverberg, Jakob; Sorensen, Marcus; Stone, Mark;
Zibanejad, Mika
Defense
Aneloski, Bryce; Blood, Ben; Borowiecki, Mark
Claesson, Fredrik; Cowen, Jared; Fransoo, Jordan
Lyamin, Kirill; Rundblad, David; Wideman, Chris
Wiercioch, Patrick
Goaltenders (who are these guys?)
Greenham, Scott; Janecyk, Adam; O’Connor, Matt
No Greening, Butler, Condra, Lehner, Daugavins, Kellar... I guess they wanted them to rest up or maybe some of them have their limit of 3 (I think) development camps they can attend.
But Bashkirov (I think that was his name) came over last year.
Lyamin is from Moscow... same as Filatov... they have both played on CKSA Moscow... is that a coincidence or another Russion that the Sens convinced to come over this year.
Did Butler and Condra get there Q offers ?
If I were him I would want to wait to see who we get and loose in FA
And who wouldn't want them in the dressing room both are classy guys
I agree with you, the Sens should sign Laich and Ryder.
It's his rights. He's a UFA on Friday if they don't get him signed. Chicago obviously wasn't going to get him signed.
Also very interested how he does at camp, I wonder where his development is, he is the one possible sleeper we have that could play on a top line.
Seems like he is 100% dedicated to make the NHL, he is going to either play for the sens this year or Bingo from what I hear.
schedule and roster
On paper the Senators right now are a bottom five team in the NHL. If Alfie isn't healthy and back to normal than we're probably bottom three if not worse. Anderson is really the only reason Ottawa didn't lose the vast majority of their remaining games. How long he can keep that kind of stellar play up for is anybodies guess.
Try to find 5 - Top Four D and Top Six F groups worse than Ottawa's. It's not easy to do.
it is the official filatov. it was comfirmed by CBJ a while back
http://senators.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=69924
Bobby Butler and Erik Condra are not on the schedule. Though no one but Stephane Da Costa has played any nhl games in the regular season last year. maybe that has something to do with it.
1. Florida (Maybe)
2. Nashville
Ottawa Senators Top-4D are better than:
1. Carolina
2. Colorado
3. Columbus
4. Dallas
5. Edmonton
6. Florida
7. Minnesota
8. New Jersey
9. Islanders
10. Tampa Bay
Just taking a quick look at rosters before free agency this is where I'd say on paper the Sens are better. In terms of top six forwards we're better than almost nobody. In terms of defense I'd have to give the benefit of the doubt that Ottawa has a better group than about 10 current NHL rosters. However those rosters will probably fill up a little bit over free agency and some will inevitably pass Ottawa.
And goaltending isn't even a part of the equation? Anyone can make up a retarded argument when you leave out key points. I'm not sure if you and Tookie are sens fans or if leaf nation rejected ya'll and you're still trying to find a home.
http://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie - RT @OnFrozenPond: RFAs Michal Repik, Niclas Bergfors, Steve Bernier, Byron Bitz officially cut loose by #FlaPanthers
http://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie - RT @adater: Avs do not qualify Brian Elliott, Phillipe Dupuis: http://t.co/A3S0M6I via @denverpost
Better believe we should be interested in Bergfors.
Good thing it's a team sport and based on 12 forwards, 6 D and 2 goalies then. It's enough to take this crap from Tookie, but you too, maybe you guys can start your own website for the pessimists cause I'm definitely tired of hearing it.
You want 5 teams worse than the Sens, try NYI, Edmonton, Florida, Toronto, Colorado, Winnipeg, Minnesota and that's just to start. I'd say Montreal is worse, but the goaltending and coaching there make it debatable. I don't see how you can expect bottom 3-5 when we finished 5th worst last year with no goalie and a good amount of injuries and 1 attitude problem. No Alfie for part of this year would be just like no Alfie for part of last year, we can deal with it.
I'll be so happy when the sens shut both of you up this season!
Gonchar?
He's fluent in English.
gonchar is russian
+1 to johne for beating me to it
On the Filatov thing, I'm worried that without any other Russians on the team, he's going to feel isolated. How is his English?
His mom is English teacher he is fluent
You can't compare our top 6 to other teams' because it isn't finalized yet. Even if you look at last years rosters, the argument is void because we have a completely different coaching staff in place.
Also, I noticed that you left goaltending AND coaching out. These are two areas that the we definitely have a leg up over most teams.
not to mention leaving out PP, PK, Faceoffs, and other intangibles.
top-6 doesnt mean a thing if all your PK units are made up of bottom-6 players.
and without an predetermined top-6, I can garantee you the compete level on our squad will be higher that 25+ other teams in the league. Theres minutes to be earned on our team. You can't say that about every team in the league.
You are joking right? Or am I dumb today. What a hypocrite..
This http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Brennan/2008/06/21/5947311-sun.html is what Brennan thought of Erik Karlsson when he was drafted.
Wonder if he changed his opinion.
Moral of the story, don't listen to those knuckleheads from the Sun. Their ridiculous.
Nope here it is (left this one up on his twitter):
"Great opportunity for filatov to start over.. wish him best of luck, good kid. Good move for us to improve prospects"
But they also gave an A+ to Philly for Couturier, A+ to Boston for Hamilton, A+ to Toronto for Biggs + the trade up in the draft..
Is he still the Sens property though. He walked out and went back to Russia when he had to go back to Bingo when he thought he should be in the NHL.
Butler has played about 30 NHL games. He has great potential but still basically a rookie.
Filatov -- what do we have with him?
Regin or Foligno.. right now are either of these two legimate top 6 forwards. I really like them both but I have to be realistic.
NO to any more 3rd or 4th line players. The young guys will fill the roles around Neil, Winchester, & Foligno or Regin.
The Sens really need a 2nd line centre. But what UFA's are out there that are good enough to do the job, other than Richards, Laich.
I don't want Murray to 'settle'. Go with what you have & let it be as it shall be.
Next off-season will be better UFA's or RFA's for which some teams won't have cap room. You know that with the cap going up 5M there will be some stupid GM's that will go to the cap & get in trouble in 2012/13.
First of all, we have just begun rebuilding/reto oling. Secondly, take a look at Boston's top six. It's not like they are the best in the league. But they were the best all-round team with solid defense and goaltending.
You can obsess about the top 6 forwards all day long, I'll be obsessing about our top 12 forwards, our top 6 dmen and our best two goalies. Chumps.
Great draft btw. Zibanejad, Noesen, Puempel, Prince and Filatov. Can't wait to see what Hockeysfuture.c om has to say about or depth now.
i was shocked to find that the goalie o'connor is 6'6... i assume these are the guys to be in net for elmira and bingo sometime?
"Great work by Scott Howson to get a 3rd round pick for Filatov.. #teamsgettingbetter"
then added:
"Great opportunity for filatov to start over.. wish him best of luck, good kid. Good move for us to improve prospects"
Source: http://www.tweeting-athletes.com/index.cfm?AthleteID=11950
Well, when your offense last year was one of the leagues worst, that tends to happen :)
Who is he referring to? Anyone know who wasn't qualified?
Thanks (a lot)
I think your missing the point guy.
This isn't NHL 11 or fantasy hockey. Having an all-star top six is nice, but almost guarantees you will have SERIOUS holes somewhere else on your roster. I'd much rather Ottawa focus on getting a good young team that all pulls in the same direction, and is solid from top to bottom. That includes forwards top and bottom six, dmen and goalies (see Boston).
That goes double, considering we are just beginning to rebuild our roster with all kinds of young kids coming into the system.
I'm not exactly sure how anyone could argue about such a thing...
I love how it says that "when Winnipeg went off the board" did this guy even watch the draft? Ottawa selected before Winnipeg.
Since he deleted the first 'tweet' I assume he was more of glad he's the hell out of here.
I'm not going to dwell on it.. but I took his first one as being very negative.
I'm not obsessing with the top 6 -- but facts are the facts -- at this moment they are what they are.
This team is re-building and eventually that situation will be rectified, however.
Last I heard (or read) a few weeks ago.. he is not medically cleared yet. I like the way he plays.. but is his health as issue going forward.
Do they even know who drafted who? Leafs got truculence in Biggs.... Edmonton, Ottawa, Winnipeg drafted scoring & skill..
Do those sports writers & sportscasters know anything outside of Toronto?
Sorry but you are so wrong:
Isles had 5 20+ goal scorers, almost 3 30+ (JT had 29)
Edmonton is in the same boat as us. Being stacked in one position but dry in the other.
Colorado is a very nice team, just fell apart for some reason. Also wouldn't have been as bad without Elliot
I don't dispute that for one second. In fact, I know full well that at the end of the day, it is the third line that wins playoffs.
However, you missed my point...you asked why people were obsessing over the top 6. I answered why they were.
I am more confident than most around here. Replace Elliott with Anderson, which of course happened, and I would bet would would have been at least 10 points higher than where we finished. Now, add a healthy alfie and (hopefully) better year from some players that had their worst year ever, and we are fighting for a playoff spot. Have I mentioned the coach yet?
Have a couple of breakouts from Regin, butler, etc and a "standard" year from the vets and we are in the playoffs. I refuse to believe that the team became an expansion team in one year.
Not saying we are cup bound, but we are FAR away from needing to throw in the towel in June!
A few years ago.. Brunnstrum sold himself to the highest bidder. Dallas does not want him. Now neither does Toronto.. Is he done in the NHL?
Wasn't Hanson a sought after college UFA?
Is it the players or the teams they played on?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/748361-2011-nhl-draft-review-why-the-ottawa-senators-won-big-in-minnesota
Also, I think tomorrow all the prospects are in town?
Nothing on tsn about him having a concussion.
Here's an observation I think TOOKIE - DORK - And Tyrant Wee are the same guy. When we get fed up with one the other guy shows up all of a sudden. These guys are frustrated LEAFS fans so sad. I think they visit all the sights and dribble on and on. What a LIFE.
Anyways stoked about how our SENS are starting to look now. I think FILATOV will figure it out. He wasn't the RUSSIAN captain at the world juniors for nothing - there is a heart in there. He's a proud guy - put up with a lot of crap in COLUMBUS.
not sure why da costa is overlooked so often but the reality is he was a hot commodity for several nhl teams and he is a point producer.
bring back auld...
hes a team guy, veteran leader and a lifelong backup.
i for sure will catch next weeks 3 on 3 tournament.
yeah its for season ticket holders
da costa, mark stone a good look after last seasons performance. Can't wait to see these guys hit preseason and see some other prospects in our system.
foligno and regin will have to earn their spots, or risk being shipped out for younger talent
I'm going on Thursday evening as well.
9 Milan Michalek - 19 Jason Spezza -16 Bobby Butler
28 Nikita Filitov - 21 Brooks Laich -11 Alfie
12 Mika Zibanejad - 24 Stephan Da Costa -60 Mark Stone
52 Colin Greening - 15 Zach Smith - 26 Ryan Shannon
spare/ Winchester
4 Chris Phillips - 2 Jared Cowen
7 David Rundblad - 65 Erik Karlsson
36 David Hale - 55 Sergei Gonchar
spare/ Matt Carkner
41 Craig Anderson
29 Ty Conklin
Athony Stewart is 6'3 230 pounds might be a good third liner or second liner only 26 years old worth a gamble.