Had a chance to speak with a source last night and was trying to get a sense of what the Senators expect heading into the weekend. Obviously, it's extremely difficult to predict what will happen but the consensus seems to be the Oilers will take Nugent-Hopkins.
Apparently, just about every team is having a difficult time getting a read on what the Avs plan to do at second overall. It would be difficult for them to leave Larsson on the board but there is a very real possibility they like Landeskog with that 2nd pick. As I have mentioned before, Gabriel Landeskog seems to be the Sens "Plan A". Very unlikely he falls to them at six, but if the price is right, the Sens will move up to grab him.
There is also an interesting scenario where Huberdeau could be the guy that falls to six. Nugent-Hopkins, Landeskog, Larsson, Zibanejad, Hamilton could very well go as the top five. Apparently the Devils are quite high on Zibanejad so either they look at trading back, or grab him at four.
Another scenario that is a little more worrisome for the Sens is one where the Islanders set their sights on a defenceman. There is a tendency to assume this is a good thing for Ottawa but what's stopping the Isles from trading with Winnipeg to get more assets and drop back to seven, knowing full well the Sens won't take a defenceman. Could potentially create a bidding war between Ottawa and Winnipeg if they both have their sights set on the same player. Perhaps further justification for the Sens to look at moving up if they can.
These are all scenarios we have considered on the site but it's interesting to know that the team may be thinking about them too.
- There is a chance that the Sens could look to move a defenceman on draft day. Obviously they would love to find a taker for Filip Kuba but I have also heard some minor buzz around Sergei Gonchar.
- The Sens are still looking to add another name to their coaching staff. As Andy Strickland pointed out yesterday, Mark Reeds could very well end up with a job here in Ottawa. Has a connection to new Sens head coach Paul MacLean.
- The potential hiring of Dave Cameron has caused some serious backlash among Sens fans. His connection to Melnyk obviously has some people concerned that the Sens Owner may once again be overly involved on the hockey operations side. And while that is definitely a concern, I have talked to a couple people in the organization that have great things to say about Cameron. He has a fairly impressive resume, is an extremely hard-worker and is a genuinely good guy.
I am not disapointed about Cameron. He will fit in well with our team and be given every opportunity to get the best out of our young team.
What would the Sens be looking to get back for Gonchar?
I hope you're right when you say that NJ is high on Zibenijad chirp. Huberdeau would look great in a sens uni, and that's saying something since he is one ugly kid.
- senschirp
- google search: mock draft
- yost's blog on hockeybuzz
- google search: mock draft (you know, in case any new ones have been done)
- tsn draft centre
- senschirp (to read all the comments)
repeat throughout the day...
in all seriousness though whether the sens stay at 6 and draft couturier/strom e/zibanejad or trade up to nab landeskog/huber deau i'll be happy
The future starts now!
It seems every year sports pundits will say how important the current draft is compared to years past (maybe it's a deep draft, or there's a Crosby, or an interesting draft order - whatever).
This year that really seems true.
We have a shitload of picks and a GM who is not afraid to make deals. He also has a carte blanche from Melnyk to rebuild.
This really IS our most important draft in recent memory, it's not just rhetoric! Should actually be exciting to watch the first round.
Still, any Gonchar deal would be pretty exciting, not necessarily just to a team below us. Getting a pick, prospect or young player for him would be awesome.
I agree, though I'm fine with him staying, getting decent return in the form of picks or prospects could be perfect right now. Still would rather buy out or trade or waive Kuba 1st though ... hopefully one would not be mutually exclusive to the other.
I never understood why Gonchar was on his wrong side for the PP, made no sense at all.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Ottawa/2011/06/21/18316891.html
SERIOUSLY!!!
Karlsson loved to play the left and Gonchar thrived in the few opportunities on the right. It seemed like they were being punished or that the coach thought he knew more than the rest of the hockey world. That is the one thing that had me screaming at the TV all year.
Simple - Karlsson likes Gonchar's favoured side also. When they put Karlsson on the other side, he just wandered back during the course of the PP.
It wasn't as big a deal as people thought - we we're screwed either way because our second line PP was shitty. One of them had to go on their 'wrong' side. Damned if you do, damned if you don't - there's no solution to that problem.
Agreed he probably doesn't go anywhere. Still I'd rather have a young player for a rebuild than Gonchar. How many old guys do we need for the young D to learn from, when Phillips is still here for that exact (only?) reason?
Also, I can't imagine a player of his calibre being any worse than he was last year. At $5.5m, all excuses (valid or not) aside, he HAS to improve his play this season.
Half a dozen pucks and 6 water bottles...
Classic tookie right there.
It's because Karlsson and Gonchar both naturally play the same side on the PP, and Karlsson was still learning and having big problems adjusting to the left side. I'm not agreeing with what CC did, but it's just the explanation that has been given.
Yeah, I liked the new tookie better - the one that said sensible things sometimes.
Haven't sleept in 2 days sources been keeping me up all night.
- EDM trades first pick to Bos (e3)
- Smyth to oilers confirm (e4)
- Heatley to canucks e2
More on everything later... sources calling again
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Not to mention who in their right mind would take his contract, this aint NHL 2012...
Im all for getting rid of Gonchar but it wont happen unless he gets younger and his contract drops a few millions.
Like some of you said, he cant be any worse than last year, so thats already an improvement!
That makes no sense. Gonchar shoots left, which means he needs to be set up on the right point for a shot. Karlsson shoots right which means he needs to be set up on the left point for a shot. I'm not sure why Karlsson would favour being on the wrong side of a one timer....
There shouldnt have been any problems, both D's should have been on their one timer side, Karlsson on left and Gonchar on right. CC was an idiot and refused to give in to skeptics.
Things don't have to make sense to make cents...
Geez - patience there young Skywalker !
You must have driven your parents crazy every December when you were a kid.
The only thing I can think of is that the one timer is not his whole game - didn't you see him creeping into the winger's PP territory? It always happened on the right side, often along the boards.
Other than that, I don't try to explain it. All I know for SURE is that Karlsson would creep over to the right side almost without fail. Gonchar would just switch sides as they worked their PP - what else could he do?
Make what you will of it - that's what happened.
Because there are so few right handed shots, they are normally raised their whole lives playing on the right side. Karlsson has a wicked seeing eye shot from the right point, even on the PP ... no matter how weird it may seem, it's what he's used to.
Remember all that talk about communication problems that Clouston had with the team? Gonchar on the left point during the PP is exhibit A of that problem.
MacLean is not a stubborn loser, so I'm sure he'll play Gonchar where he belongs, and Gonchar in turn will have a much stronger year.
Ya I do think they could get a decent return for Gonch, and I doubt i'm the only one.
He had a bad season on a shitty team that was poorly coached. GM's around the league aren't so blind to think his stock has dropped so much. He put up 50 points with the pens 2 years ago and then 27 with our team last year. Slow as molasses is Matt Carkner, Gonchar more has the viscosity of maple syrup.
I know he wouldn't waive his NTC and I know his contract is pretty hefty, but if he did Waive, I think Gonch would be worth at least a 3rdd rounder on trade deadline day.
We know you consider yourself a realist tookie, but ur the biggest pessimist of a realist i've ever seen.
So a good coach would stop trying to put a round peg into a square hole and adjust ... stop playing with two on the line ... play an umbrella with Karlsson at the top and Gonchar on the right half boards.
I dont buy that man, these are pro players, adjusting is the name of the game, if he cant adjust, then he is not helping this team do whatever it takes to win. Im pretty sure MacLean will have him play left on the PP for that one timer.
Wasn't PP Greg Carvel's job?
Make the move and get Landeskog. Whatever it takes. I'd sacrifice a prospect, or even the 21st pick to land him. I know people will disagree with giving up this much but I've wanted a Richards/Iginla type centre on this team ever since we discovered Yashin had a vagina.
- I haven't given up on Gonchar just yet (also going to be an unpopular statement I can imagine). Let's see him (and this team) under MacLean. No high priced player did well last year. Not one. Hey, if Murray can find a suitor for him and clear the cap space, fine, but I think the priority is getting Kuba the hell out of dodge. Gonchar may still be useful.
No one has really been talking UFA lately but to me, it boils down to either Leino or J Jokinen. Everything else is recycled garbage in my opinion.
C'moooooon Friday!
when is the next time we'd be able to get that? maybe never.
this would help us greatly getting 2 gifted forwards.
Tookie, did you watch when CC tried Karlsson on the left side. It's not like he never tried it. I'm sure Karlsson will get better at it in time, and personally I think if Karlsson couldn't do it, he should've been put on the 2nd PP then, but that is the reason he wasn't there permanently. Whether you buy it or not, that is the reason.
Make the move and get Landeskog. Whatever it takes. I'd sacrifice a prospect, or even the 21st pick to land him. I know people will disagree with giving up this much but I've wanted a Richards/Iginla type centre on this team ever since we discovered Yashin had a vagina.
I want Landeskog also. But not sure I want them to give up both first picks. I`d rather see them trade 21st pick packaged with some prospects and a second pick to move up and have two picks in the top 6. This way they can get one of the centres and Landeskog. Not likely to happen, but I can dream!
Btw, Ladeskog is a winger. Don`t think he play`s centre at all.
I agree, he should have made other adjustments other than forcing the issue with both of them at the point in a normal setup, but the answer clearly wasn't putting Karlsson on the left and Gonchar on the right ... that did not work either.
If only it were possible to do a video game-like consolidation of our picks...
61 & 66 for a low 2nd
35 & 48 for a first
Then use those picks in combination with our 21st and a prospect or two. Then we draft 3 of the big names in this year's crop.
A man can dream.
you would really go after Leino or J.Jokinen INSTEAD of bringing Laich back into the Sens organization? Laich and Fleischmann would be on my list over Leino and Jokinen. Nothing wrong with the two guys you mentioned, but I see Laich as a more impactful player and is a signing I hope Murray can pull off.
1. Gabriel Landeskog
2. Adam Larsson
3. Jonathan Huberdeau
4. Mika Zibanejad
5. Dougie Hamilton
I for one would be extremely happy with Mika Zibanejad. I assure you he is the real deal and would fit the bill for that top 6 Role.
Landeskog is LW not C
I don't think Larsson would be their 2nd choice, our need for a point producing forward is too great right now but if he is the BPA available they may not have a choice...
And I wouldn't say it's certain they have Mika ahead of R.Strome either.
Where is RNH?
2 months of draft predictions really take it's toll. I just can't wait for Friday.
Last prediction:
we stay at 6th and draft...
Couturier/Strome/Huburdeau
21st...
Grimaldi/Rattie/Jensen
Zach Phillips will be gone before 17.
Bring on Friday
He said SENS draft choices. Assuming that RNH is taken. These are the players he thinks the sens have a shot at.
personally i hope we stay away from J Jokinen, the guy is soft and injury prone. Leino id be ok with, but like others have said Laich would be a nice addition that would fit well.
actually he is RW...
I beleive he switches back and forth between wings. I Watched him play in kingston twice and he was playing on the left wing. However he's listed as a RW.
I think their drafting choices are as followed
1. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2. Gabriel Landeskog
3. Jonathan Huberdeau
4. Ryan Strome
5. Mika Zibenejad
But assuming RNH is gone...
1. Landeskog
2. Huberdeau
3. Strome
4. Zibby
5. WORST CASE (for the org.) Couturier. That's a pretty good worst case IMO
LOL....The Av's would maybe take Michalek and our 6th overall...Even then it's a stretch...
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
LOL....The Av's would maybe take Michalek and our 6th overall...Even then it's a stretch...
They took Elliott for Anderson. They ain't got too many brains, dude
I really think getting rid of Michalek would be a huge mistake. EVERYBODY had a bad year last year and he can be a lot better, probably a 30 goal scorer again one day. He's still relatively young, but most importantly, he's a top 6 forward (one of our three).
Pretty sure we want to bring IN top 6 forwards, not get rid of them.
Beyond that, I think the people who DO want to get rid of him are mostly undervaluing him.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/06/22/nhl_mock_draft/
Well said and I agree with what you said. Too early to give up on Michalek, especially that cheap.
So this assumes we have the 2nd pick or just that we have no chance at RNH? Sorry just don't see how one can include Larsson and Landeskog but not RNH, unless there were qualifications to the statement that I missed? Just trying to understand the statement, any clarification is appreciated.
I think these are just the players he thinks could possibly slip to the Sens hands at the 6th pick. Best/Luckiest Case being Lando sliding, worst being Sean Couturier.
I would agree with you on the contract side of things but his two glass knees bother me. I would put his odds of playing 50 games at about 37%.
Ah ok, that makes a bit more sense. Thanks for the clarification, appreciated.
I'll take those odds, what's the payout ;)
Yep, just wouldn't be a day on Senschirp without this comment right here...
Number crunching machine.
Probably, but I bet you dollars to doughnuts Gonchar is not interested in Florida....Thos e pesky NMC's sort of stop quality players from being traded to shitty teams...
one has the Avs taking Landeskog and one is if based on the Avs taking Larsson.
Edmonton - Hopkins
Avs - Landeskog
Florida - Huberdeau
Jersey - Larsson
Islanders- Zibanejad/Strome/Couturier
Ottawa - Zibanejad/Strome/Couturier
Or
Edmonton - Hopkins
Avs - Larsson
Florida - Huberdeau
Jersey - Zibanejad
Islanders- Landeskog/Strome/Couturier
Ottawa - Landeskog/Strome/Couturier
So my opinion is if the Avs take Larsson, we have a chance at Landeskog.
If the Avs take Landeskog, we will have a chance to get Zibanejad.
But most likely we will be making a decision between Strome and Couturier.
I hope we get Strome. I am all about this kid still.
then no matter who we take in 6th. I want to trade up to get mark Mcneil.
Harry.
To Ott: #3 and # 33
and then Move up with the #33 and #35
I Like it. Especially since it's a new one & Realistic.
Now with the extra 4Mil everyone got, Philly could have room for Carter now and all other teams have more flexibility to sign a player they couldnt before.
My fast track back to the playoffs and contending looked like this (bare with me here)
Departures:
Regin, traded for a 4th rounder 2012
Michalek, traded for a 3rd rounder 2012
Arrivals:
Laich, via FA, 2 years 9Mil
Leino, via FA, 2 years 7mil
Carter, traded for Foligno our 21st and our 35th
Draft:
Landeskog, move up from 6th
Landeskog Spezza Butler
Leino Carter Alfie
Greening Laich Condra
Bass Da Costa Neil
Not really as Fla would lose their shot at landing Landeskog or Huberdeau, trading down doesnt make sens for them.
I'd gladly go for two picks in the top 6. Sadly, highly unlikely though...
@HKYcountry:
I have no problems with getting back Brooks Laich but I think Washington will find a way to get him under contract. If they don't, you can expect to pay double for the same production, same age, more grit and less speed. That's pretty much your choice between the two. Both are capable playoff performers...
Overmind:
You could say Jokinen is injury prone, missing 5-9 games/year a few times in his career. I think as Sens fans, we've tolerated way worse with our current crop of players. It would be nice to have a healthier bunch for sure, but I still think Jokinen is the best bang for your buck in this year's crop of UFAs.
People will fight and overpay for Laich and Leino (that is, if they are available...)
I can see Florida moving down. Especially if they'd be happy with Strome, Couturier or Zibenijad. The key part of this trade for them would be moving up to 21 from 33. They probably would have their eye on a player who is likely to be gone before the 33rd but is available at 21.
Departures:
Da Costa
21st
35th
Arrivals:
T.J Oshie via sign & trade
Draft:
Landeskog, with the 2nd pick (traded 21st, Da Costa, 35th)
Strome, with the 6th pick
Landeskog Spezza Butler
Michalek Regin Alfie
Greening Foligno Condra
Bass Smith Neil
With Strome, Silfverberg, Stone, Petersson, Sorensson coming up.
^^ this
It is more liklely a similar deal might fly with a team looking for quantity over quality, aka the Devils.
I think Florida would start with it, but they need players, so I'd bet they would want a roster player as well.
All in all, I'm not convinced that the prospect at #3 is any better than the prospect at #6.
I kind of feel like Couturier is getting no respect at all right now, and it's unwarranted. It wasn't long ago that people were talking about the guy as a sure-fire #1, and he still had a great year, he was just sick for part of it.
I completely get why people are ballwashing Huberdeau and Landeskog, but I kind of feel like Couturier is the better prospect and people have been blinded by this past season.
I'll be thrilled if Ottawa gets to pick Couturier, especially because I think he'll make the team next year and will be centering a line between Alfie and Michalek.
2ndly, Landeskog seems to skip fall and jump back up again therefore i believe it could be chance-able that we could draft Landeskog so he for sure is right in front of are iron sight
thirdly larsson would be right under landeskog because he is potentially a number 1 choice in defense being the BPA.
Fourth Mika Z is much more versatile then strome. i don't dislike strome but his not as much as a complete player as MIka Z is.
the rest on my list are player that senators could have a shot at and are more then likely the ones they'll take considering if there selected or not.
Larsson over anyone else Landeskog comes first.
It does if they want a defenceman.. Hamilton/Murphy /Beaulieu will be available then.
Also they need a power forward? They can draft Couturier
Give Edm - Lee, 6th overall and a 3rd rounder
For Edm 1st overall
Seems steep but I think that would be the asking price minimum and something I would be comfortable with for sure. I would even make it our last 2nd rounder if we had to. Lee is not going to find any time on our D this year. Carkner should be the 7th man.
It's going to take a hell of a lot more than that to get a 1st overall pick. I would not want to give up what EDM is asking for that pick.
Paul Statsny
To Colorado
Ottawa's 1st
Robin Lehner
Trade of Elliot for Anderson will now make sense
Are you NUTS?!?! Lehner is our only solid goalie prospect! Stasny is a superstar in his own right there's no doubt about that but I wouldn't give that much up for him...
Replace Lee with Karlsson, and that's probably what Edmonton wants, so it doesn't happen.
And if you're moving up to #1, it's to draft Nugent-Hopkins, not Landeskog.
Let's see...
Reasonable top line NHL'er
For
A pick that will become a reasonable top line NHL'er AND the best goaltending prospect the organization has ever had.
Did you seriously propose this? Are you mental?
You're being too kind to Stastny. He's not even close to being a superstar. Look at his stats. He's a solid 1st line C in the NHL, but not a superstar. And definitely not worth Lehner AND the #6 pick.
Excellent use of the word mental.
Can we just stop responding to propositions such as JasonK's?
Holy Smokes. That. Was. Brutal.
He's close to a point per game over his career, which makes him a solid 1st liner.
I consider superstars to be guys like Crosby and Ovechkin and even Stamkos, Stastny is not in that category.
Bizarre trade proposal. Goalies like Lehner do not grow on trees.
HA!
Good one TBT, that gave me a nice laugh, thx bro! That will ease the trip back home and that damn traffic!!
Trade of Elliot for Anderson will now make sense
Are you NUTS?!?! Lehner is our only solid goalie prospect! Stasny is a superstar in his own right there's no doubt about that but I wouldn't give that much up for him...
You're being too kind to Stastny. He's not even close to being a superstar. Look at his stats. He's a solid 1st line C in the NHL, but not a superstar. And definitely not worth Lehner AND the #6 pick.
Huh?
Finally someone that agrees with me on Couturier! If he's left 6 I'm definitely happy and excited for what he can bring.
Can't see Edm asking for Karlsson and our 1st for theirs that would be totaly unreasonable. I admit that Lee is not the biggest fish one might be able to dangle but surely a deal could get done without giving up our cornerstone. Honestly, I think BM wants character as much as any amount of skill and would definately take Lando first overall. Just my opinion.
Well... yes anything is better then Lee... but then we would have to throw in picks no?
As much as we don't NEED Dmen, I wouldn't mind drafting one of the more complete D in the draft. Cowen, Karlsson and to a lesser extent Rundblad are not likely complete D.
Also, it would mean that we still have a KILLER d in a few years even if one of our best prospects doesn't pan out as expected.
Continuing along that line of thinking, if the Sens could get 2 top 10 picks, but could not move up from 6th, would you draft Hamilton if he was still available at 6th and then just hope 1 of Strome or Zibanejad are still available at the last pick?
Let's talk about a dream scenario.
Back a few months ago the top 5 in this draft were just floating from 1 to 5 to 3 to 2, etc. There was no set #1 until the last couple of months.
So let's say that Ottawa can 'sucker' Florida to move down 3 spots for 6th overall & Sens 35th (48th would be preferable though).
Edmonton realizes, after watching the mock draft on TSN last night that Pierre MacGuire was right. Edmonton needs defense. So they flip & take Larsson with their 1st pick.
It is rumoured that the Avs really want Landeskog & they take him.
Now sitting there in 3rd ready to pick - the Sens with RNH staring them in the face. Wow, what a dream indeed.
99% chance that won't happen but a 1% chance it might?
How about Gonchar to Detroit? Would he be the right fit? I say he would wave the NTC to move there with a good chance at the Cup. What do the Sens get back? A 2nd rounder?
What about NO.....? That is a horrible trade...
For the bruins. I'd make that trade in 2 seconds if it was an option.
It seems like our only realistic chance to trade up in the draft is with Florida.
Do you think trading 6th/Wiercoch for Florida's 3rd too much? not enough?
They need dmen, well, hell Florida needs everything...th ink they would do it?
On second thought are Z-bad, Strome, Coutourier that much worse than Tyeler Seguin?
Man, too many options.
something like:
to Ottawa: 3rd overall + mid-round pick
to Florida: 6th overall + Wiercioch
Then Murray is free to take either Landeskog or Huberdeau at #3.
I'm assuming Murray will address those after the draft/before Free Agency?
How? Yeah Seguin has a lot of potential, but are you telling me that with Lucic, Krecji, Marchand, Hornton, Bergeron, Caron, Hamill, Knight, Spooner and Arniel etc. Boston wouldn't trade him if they had the opportunity to solidify the future of their D? Especially if they could add Larsson/Hamilto n, Wiercioch and say a guy like Musil, Morrow etc. at 35 with a single trade?
Naaa
His benching increased his maturity tenfold. He handled it like a pro and came back playif solid hockey. He has a strong frame and is a decent, balance D. I can see him getting slowly better as his confidence increases.
He's also still very young. Often defencemen can take a little longer to develop.
Inunderstand that fans have little to no patience, but there are a lot of stupid things impatience can cause you to do in a rebuild... fans are giving up way too easily on our prospects.
Regin's a guy with value that I would get rid of first - but even Regin I'd still rather keep another year. He just needs to be stronger which is definitely achievable.
I like it. It's not farfetched either.
With Lehner in net in 3-4 years imagine the top 4 defencement.
Karlsson - Cowen
Rundblad - Oleksiak
Thats a pretty steady combo of toughness and skill on the back end.
1. EDM - RNH
2. COL - Larsson
3. FLA - Huberdeau
4. OTT (trades NJ for 6th overall, 4th rounder and P.Wiercoch) - Landeskog
5. NYI - Strome
6. NJ - Couturier
7. WPG - Hamilton
8. CLB - Zibanejad
I also think Ottawa will be active in trying to jump into that 8 spot if MZ is actually there...im not sure who or what they would part with in order to make that jump
I just dont see it.
2.COL-LANDESKOG
3.FLA-HUBERDEAU
4.NJ-LARSSON
5.-NYI-COUTRIER
6.OTT-STROME/ZIBANEJAD
7.JETS-STROME/ZIBANEJAD
THATS IF OTTAWA DOESNT TRADE....
I really do believe that Lehner is a good goalie prospect however I don't believe he is an elite goaltender right now he is just a prospect. My point with Spezza for Schneider and a 1st was to show how everyone would say Schneiders just a good goalie prospect and Spezza is worth more than him and a 1st....
My thought is that Spezza and Statsny are of similar talent and I believe that Murray would jump at Statsny as it may be undervalued and if you follow the Colorado rumors they are looking for a goalie.
Why did Murray sign Anderson for 3 million plus 4 year deal to be a back up? We have 2 nd round pics that could get us a new goalie prospect.
Just my thoughts right or wrong thanks for updating the website Chirp!!!
i would huberdon't on that pick
I thought it was a done deal that he'd be assistant. It sounds like he's a good coach but I'm a little upset that Cameron announced it on Sat at a banquet without waiting for team announcement. Big time red flag, IMO. Suggests that he may not be a team player.
Did he say (on Sat at banquet) he was going to Sens or going to NHL?
Think Murray et al might be unhappy at this behaviour (announcing it before the team does)?
For that alone, if the deal isn't signed, if I were Murray I would tear that shit up and get someone else. If even the slightest scent of Melnyk meddling isn't worrisome enough for the culture of our franchise, then I agree with you, that is a big red flag that they should nip in the bud.
Anderson was signed for 4 years to give Lehner Time to develop.
I'm not even going to address the rest of your argument because it doesn't have much logic behind it.
1. EDM - RNH
2. COL - Larsson
3. FLA - Huberdeau
4. NJD - Landeskog
5. NYI - Couturier
6. OTT - Strome/Ziggy
Thoughts that lead me to this mock draft:
1. Colorado has lots of young forward talent and probably can't pass up a potential Larsson-Johnson top pairing for years to come.
2. Florida took two very solid defense prospects in Kulikov and Gudbranson. Outside of Weiss and Booth they're extremely thin in terms of high end forward talent. I don't see how they can pass up Huberdeau in this situation and if they do I see it being to take Lando.
3. The Devils aren't a stupid organization. Yes they have a need for defense and centers but at this point Lando would clearly be the best player available. Unless they trade down to get Ziggy at 6 due to organizational preference I can't see them passing on him.
4. The Islanders get to take Couturier who few would suggest is less valuable than Murray or Hamilton. They need defense and there is probably as much as a 50% chance they'll take one but how do you pass on a 6'4 high end center prospect who plays both ends of the rink when he's clearly the best on the board at this point.
The only scenario I can see for the Sens moving up without overpaying by a landslide is if the Devils are as high on Ziggy as they're rumoured to be. In that situation I can see them flipping spots with Ottawa for a 2nd // 2nd + 3rd // 2nd + prospect and taking Ziggy with 6th overall leaving Lando to Ottawa.
I myself have been saying Ottawa will stand pat at #6 and take Zibanejad or Couturier. I've been thinking they will take Zibanejad...but the more I think about it, I feel that Couturier might be the better choice. This guy has the skills that positioned him as the presumptive 1st overall ranking going into the season...a slow start hurt his rank and in my opinion has been OVER scouted all year. Despite a slow start (which was because of mono) he still put up 96 points (the same as the year prior)...given the effects mono can have that's pretty good. I think the fact he fought through mono and related symptoms and had the year he did, says a lot about him. He would be a good compliment at center to Spezza.
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it was a huge mistake to take him over those 2 you mentioned. namely staal.
But lee isnt that bad, it just took him longer to develop. better to have lee than campoli.\
I think this is the best and cheapest scenario for us as well. no point in dealing with Col cause they are looking for the same thing we are. We could trade with NJ and get either of the 2 guys we want, Huberdeau or Landeau
Win Win if we can trad up 2
Nick Foligno - Peter Regin - Milan Michalek/Ryan Shannon
Eric Condra - Stephane Da Costa - Bobby Butler
Jesse Winchester - Zack Smith - Chris Neil
Chris Phillips - Sergei Gonchar/Jared Cowen
David Rundblad - Erik Karlsson
Matt Carkner - Brian Lee
Craig Anderson
Someone Else
What I'm saying with this... were would anyone draw in. regardless of this year, nothing is gonna happen unless we move more bodies out. we have TOO MUCH DEPTH
Did you here them butcher Martin St. Louis?
They know nothing about hockey.... what a bad show.
it's only in las vegas because most players don't show up. Las Vegas is a place people want to come too
OR Weircoch, the 6th and 21st for the 2nd and 32nd? That would give Colorado 3 first rounders. I think they might do that.
Especially if EDM takes Larsson first (Hello RNH) Thoughts?
I didn't read the word bust anywhere.
But how can you not see that Lee was just an awful draft pick? I remember when San Jose picked setoguchi and Marc Stall was still on the board, I was celebrating before the pick happened. Next thing I know Lees name is called - BOOM Nightmares.
They drafted him out of a high school in minnesota if I'm not mistaken? How could they not take the 2nd Staal brother?
Lee should have been drafted in the 2nd round... not 9th overall ... ahead of T.J Oshie and Cogliano. Embarrassing draft choice.
I agree, and he was amazing with phillips during his first year. did most of phillips work. which phillips likes.
Never said he was better than Staal of Setoguchi. All I'm saying is he's not the complete shit draft choice you make him out to be. Patience. He's young and proving himself.
I'm guessing you have a tough time waiting for the traffic lights to change, your popcorn to pop etc...
11 other teams for Staal...
Anyway, my point is that Lee isn't a piece of shit and you have no patience.
Well at least give them the right pronunciation of the player names. Those two bimbos... englishized (if that's a word) St. Louis. It must be the bleach went to their brain... not 1 minute before the video pronounced his name correctly and they still got it wrong... Bleach...
Kuba Karlsson
Phillips Lee
Gonchar Cowen
Carkner coming in against the Sabres and Leafs.
I think Cowen makes it over Rundblad because of his physical maturity and NHL/AHL experience. Unless Rundblad comes in and absolutely wows the coaching staff, he will start the season in Bingo to adjust to the North American game.
Caveat - If Murray can somehow manage to get rid of Kuba or Gonchar before the season starts for a decent return, all bets are off.
Popcorn and traffic lights dont take 6 years chief, neither should a 9th overall pikc. That's my point. Brian Lee =Bad Draft pick @ 9th overall.
I know I'm breaking an unwritten rule here by bringing up an Ek rumour... Ek just won't let his "Calgary / Ottawa major trade" go. Have you heard anything about this?
Can't blame him for the fact that the awards can only attract a bunch of B Celebs..
Donny Osmond? Reality tv Bimbos?? Really??? Was Rachel Griffith busy?
Too much depth?!?!?
Too much hilarity.
We have 1, maybe 2 holes to fill in the forward position. I expect 2 UFA signings. 1 for a top 6 forward and the other we know will be the back goalie. If prospect is couturier, he won't crack the lineup this year.
All and all, this year's team and competitive level will depend on Foligno, Regin and Michalek having major turnarounds as well as Philips and Gonchar.
If those guys can't find it in them to step it up, its going to be another long one...
If he gets traded, most likely, we would get short end of the stick...
Any news if Murray will look at these twins Ponthus and Pathrik Westerholm, they dominated the J20 Elite league.
6th or 7th round pick
Maybe the next Sedin twins.
Yes...too much depth. Too many 3-4 line forwards, too few top 6 players.
Were you under a rock last season?
I had a nightmare.
They drafted Landeskog.
That doesn't sound like a nightmare at all.
He was awesome!
Gonchar - I think Ottawa could get a lot if he was willing to clear the NMC, but he won't and I'm not upset about it. Gonchar is still an elite offensive D (even at 37) in the NHL. It's amazing how one year can skew the view of a player. This is a guy (barring injury) that has continually put up numbers in the 50 to 60 point range and he's a killer on the PP. With the expected addition of Rundblad to the lineup this year, we'll have someone else that Gonchar can play with if not Karlsson, so our 2nd unit will be upgraded.
Draft - As much as we talk about Ottawa moving up, I don't see it happening. Too many teams interested in too many players. Normally, when you have a superstar at the top, like a Crosby, Stamkos, it changes things and moving around for any other position is somewhat easy. But this year there are many great names in the top 10. I sound like Pierre Mcguire here, but the draft this year for each time will come down to organizational need.