The Ottawa Senators currently hold the 6th selection in the first round but are actively trying to move up. Sens GM Bryan Murray has already had a few conversations with the teams ahead of Ottawa in the draft order but as of now, has found the asking price to be too high. Right now it looks like the teams in the Top 5 picks are all setting the bar pretty high but that asking price could come down as we get closer to Friday.
Because the top picks in this draft are so unpredictable, it's difficult to know exactly how things are going to shake out from the Sens perspective. If they can move up, it will be to grab Gabriel Landeskog. The Sens scouts love him and so does Bryan Murray. If Ottawa stays at the 6th position my guess is they take Ryan Strome but I have found that there's is a lot more buzz around Mika Zibanejad the last couple weeks.
For the Senators, the real mystery is around the 21st selection. This could definitely be an asset they try to move either for some Top 6 help or as part of a package to move up the 6th pick. If they do end up using that pick, a player like Rocco Grimaldi could be someone they have an interest in although he could be grabbed before they step up to the microphone. Mark McNeil, a player who was featured in the last Senate Reform episode, is also believed to be on the team's radar.
- A little more on the impending hiring of Dave Cameron. Some have indicated that this may not be a certainty but sources tell me otherwise. Cameron will be joining the Sens coaching staff in the very near future.
- The next episode in the Senate Reform series is now available and can be found under the highlights tab on the home page of this site.
- The NHL Salary Cap is expected to go up to $64 million next season.
- SensChirp and the RSU are teaming up again and have organized the Unofficial Ottawa Senators Draft Party at St. Louis Bar and Grill on Elgin. Call 613-231-1116 to reserve your table today. Any questions feel free to contact me using the form under the Contact tab at the top of the page.
Would you try and trade for a guy like Pouliot from MTL to help out our offense? Maybe our coaches can bring out the player he was projected to be!
With all the cap troubles that NYR have this coming off season, an offer sheet of may not be able to be matched by the NYR. Would be an interesting thought.
No need to trade for him, Mtl will buy him out. I'm not sure if he would be a good fit here.
Any speculations on what the sens are looking for in terms of Free Agents?
Would they be looking to sign young players or older players? How much money are the willing to spend? How much cap space do they have at the moment?
Thanks!
Boyle is huge... But after Carkner tried to bleed on him I don't see him signing with the Sens. But, the guy is a monster. Him and Anisimov are two guys I would target from the Rangers if possible. But the cap went up to $64 million so they may be OK now and not as bad as once believed.
Agreed they aren't in too bad of a spot, but if they want richards I guess?
If they want Richards they just have to keep Redden in minors and put Drury on LTIR. Unfortunately the new cap may have given them the breathing room they needed.
I am thinking they have too many picks in this years draft which is not an overly strong draft and could translate into a severe cap strain in the future if all their prospects peak at the same time abd they have to sign them all.
They should explore spreading out picks over time so they spread out their contracts. I would think a GM would give up a future 1st rounder to acquire a high 2nd rounder and possibly another lower pick this year.
This damned new cap really did f**k us I think.
Combining CapGeek numbers plus the new Cap Rangers have about 21M to play with now even with Drury on the payroll - not to mentioned they can exceed the cap by 10% over the summer so that is more like 28M in room...
Any idea if sens would look @ Sven Bärtschi???
It`s not like we have 3 picks in the Top 5 here... if too many prospects from this draft become future stars for us and put us in cap trouble, that will be a good problem to have.
Count on listening to an audio broadcast.
I had it done recently and no screen time is allowed for 24 hours after the procedure.
Good luck with your surgery!
Too bad!
He is a UFA and likely won't be back in Tampa.
Could fill a top 6 role. May be willing to take a pay cut based on the last two years....
So you would prefer to pick a bunch of low quality prospects with little value, rahter than trade up in future years? In the Sens re-tool situation, I'd take a higher pick in the future over a lower pick this year anyday.
1. Gabriel Landeskog
2. Mika Zibanejad
3. Adam Larsson
4. Ryan Strome
5. Ty Rattie
Trading the 21st on the year with a deep draft to get god only knows what pick the year after... depends on who we trade with I guess, but you are the one who suggested we do this to avoid `cap strain` and if a 6th, 21st ... has us worried about cap strain... as I said, I hope it causes us some but it`s not like over a couple year period we have an assload of top ten picks.
Gagne is not an injury risk worth taking imo. He's only put up 40 pts each of the last 2 season, missing 24 and 19 games respectively. His days of being a top line player are likely over and he's been making 5.25 mil a year for several seasons now. I guess if he'd take a short term deal at 2.5mil or less maybe, but I really think there are better options.
Other teams know this draft isn't the greatest either. The team won't get as good a value for the picks as they would in a deep draft. There's not really a point in deferring the picks until a later year, they're probably done a lot of work scouting this draft because they know they had a lot of picks early.
sorry to chirp you chirp. but this is your worst sentence ever. :)
Where's RNH? Huberdeau?
and wtf is Ty Rattie doin in a top 5?
Cap strain is only one of the possible issues. The biggest issue is having too many picks in one draft that is considered by many to be weak. Ideally, I would like to see the Sens trade their 2nd round pick which is a relatively high pick this year for a 1st round pick next year. The Sens may need to throw in a lower round pick or depth player to sweeten the deal, but they should definitely consider it because they sure don't need more 3rd or 4th liner types on their roster which is what they are likely to get with all those picks this year. Take a risk and try to hit a homerun next year.
Haha yikes. Time to hire an editor. I'm gonna blame that one on my Boston hangover.
Allow myself to introduce you to.....myself.. ... ;)
http://thesportsjury.com/201106201717/nhl/2011-nhl-mock-draft
as the headliner says "my ranking system"
I think RHN is a great play making center but lets face it he will be gone before sens get to pick. as well as Huberdeau. these are simply 5 players i think the senators have a shot at taking. there for in a ranking of 5 these are the 5 i want the most that are possibly
Now I gotcha! this is what you should have said in your first post hah.
No to pick #6. What about somthing like this.
Foligno and pick #21 and Regin and Weircoch for Parise.
Surprised to not even see Grimaldi on that list.
spezza to kings, but wouldnt mind doughty though..
Remember, at least a PART of the reason he wants out of the swamp is that he is determined to test free agency.
Would you give up all that in a rebuild year if you knew he would walk at the end of it all? Not likely.
http://www.feed43.com/1616463287218146.xml
While it is a bit of a surprise, and I am pretty sure he will go in the 1st round, it will be because one or two teams fall in love with this guy.
I think for the most part teams really will stay away from him, and want to try to pick him up in the early 2nd round.
Too hard to place him in one particular spot in a mock draft, but I think he could really go anywhere from 14-40 he is an absolute wildcard.
That's why I mentioned signing him to a long term contract. I'm not sure the package above does it. What about the 6th, one of the second rounders and one of Foligno/Regin/W eircoch?
Phillips - Gonchar
Karlsson - Cowen
Rundblad - Olyksiak
EXT: Gryba, Lee,
I'v been a huge supporter of drafting oleksiak all year, when he was actually around our projected range for drafting. However, I would not trade up to get him at this point, he is high risk high reward and he had a really dismal year offensively. He does have great skating for a guy that big, but there are plenty of big defensive D in the league to grab. If he becomes an all around D at that height like Chara that is another story, but with too many needs on forward and with such great depth in this draft it isn't worth the trade up to grab him IMO. If he falls to 21, then he has to become a serious consideration.
Would he be considered ready to suit up in the bigs next season or he needs more development?
They may be okay this year.. but locking themselves against the cap... going into the new CBA will be a disaster. They can't know what's going to happen. I can't see the cap keep going up and up and up. Those struggling teams won't be able to get to the cap floor. Next off-season will be very interesting indeed.
I hear what you are saying and that is a very good point. In essence however they are looking to lose Drury's salary (LTR) and bring in Richard's instead.
Given how much wiggle room they have now, and in essence could keep their payroll next year pretty much the same as it is now... it just relieves them of doing a desperation trade with us to get cap relief.
Maybe as you say, next summer...
Not enough.
Less if often more. Too many mediocre parts for a big return. I agree with you, Sandy.
Not likely.. but stranger things have happened.
Another 1 year minimum, maybe two being more realistic.
Take Larsson and run.
or trade the pick for a young already established top 6 forward from a team that REALLY needs a dman and be a year ahead of the plan for our top 6.
Fair. Like to the Islanders for Nino!
If Larsson was available at #6 I would go back to Edmonton and see if they are willing to give up MPS and their other 1st round pick (19 I think).. if not, then take Larsson and get another lottery pick next year but have the best D in 3 years
Even with the current D prospects Ottawa has, I would never give Edmonton Larsson for Omark and a 19th.
True that....just thinking off the top of my head how we could get some offence. If we had to take BPA (Larsson) other teams would know we'd be desperate to move D and try to take Murray to the cleaners (Heatley trade)
Now I know I take alot of shit for this but I really think The Sens should try and snatch Parise. Hes a perfect fit in our top 6 and still young and could net 40-50 goals with Spezza and Butler on our top line. Sucks the salary cap went up though.
http://twitter.com/SunGarrioch - If D Adam Larsson is left at No. 6 and Ottawa is No. 6. Guess what: Ottawa will take Larsson.
http://twitter.com/SunGarrioch - The Panthers, at No. 3, and the Devils at No. 4 could be willing to deal their picks.
I feel terrible, truly, ever agreeing with that Buffet-Slayer Garrioch over one of our posters here but...
If Lars is there at #6, he's a Senator for sure, and what a steal it would likely end up being!
Kuba + 21st + 6th
for
3rd overall
http://video.senators.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=1196&id=118599
Are you kidding? LOL.
Kuba's current value is more in the range of a 7th rounder. No other GM would take the 21st and 200th pick for the 3rd.
I'd be delighted if we could deal Kuba for a 3rd *round* pick.
Thanks for posting this. Very interesting interviews from both of them.
LOL
Thank God! I was worried you were having brain surgery aftershocks!
:)
These NHL.com links never work for me, regardless of the browser. I just get the "now playing" thumbnail in the corner with nothing else. :(
Maybe the stupid office firewall.
"If we're picking sixth and five forwards go and Larsson is still on the board, we'll be picking Larsson," said Tim Murray. "We can't walk away from a guy that we think is a top-end player and take a lesser player. We're going to take the guy we think is the best player available and Larsson's a hell of a player."
Weird... But maybe you know more than Tim Murray about their plans. But I'm just a fan, so what would I know?
No no no oh God no!
Ok the 6th overall + 21st + Kuba makes more sense....If they really want Lando that's a package they would have to do, and even then, FLA may not take Kuba but rather a Weircoch type prospect instead...
I don't think I want to move up to get Lando, but would be very happy if he was there at 6. Also I think the only guy I wouldn't be overjoyed about at 6 is Zibanejad. But I think this is just because I haven't seen him play enough, so I don't see the hype (especially through his stats). I'm sure if I had seen him play more than once I would understand.
Having said that, if Ottawa thinks Zib is the way to go at 6 over anyone else available, then I will trust them. Especially with their scouting in Sweden... It is obviously very good.
Just don't fall in love with a country please BM.
Then we can do Landeskog AND Strome
Michalek is worth more than that. This isn't even close.
If by any wierd circumstance we draft Adam Larsson, I would be ECSTATIC. We would have the best prospective blue line in the entire league bar none for the next 10 years.
I would hate to move both first rounders.. But Kuba will not be a package to move up in the draft.
Maybe Feaster hasn't seen him play the last couple of years and would like him in Calgary.
I don't really give flying hoot anything for Kuba is a bonus for the Sens.
Tim Murray confirmed that they will be willing to trade roster players if need be. Players that come to mind that are the most movable are: Regin, Winchester, Lee, Carkner, Foligno. Kuba's contract frightens.
I will be sad to see a Foligno trade though. Really like him I'd like to see him as a long time Sen. The other can hit the road and make way for talent.
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/40915-VIDEO-NHL-prospect-Gabriel-Landeskogs-style-suits-North-American-game.html
Did you hear Tim Murray say that they are prepared to move up to 1 or 3! That would be nuts! :)
I don't care though.
I want the player with the highest long term potential drafted.
Landeskog is given too many chops because of the fact that he's a Swede playing in Canada, because he hits, because he plays like a North American, because he speaks good English. It doesn't matter. If I can get a guy who, when he fills out, will be a better player than another, I'm going to draft him, because I know that eventually he's going to be a star.
I just see less "star" value in Landeskog, then I do in other players like Huburdeau.
There are players who have put up as much as fourty more points than Landeskog did in Junior, who are younger, that should be drafted.
But the kid is damn freakin good.
Awesome.
RNH Landeskog
Or RNH Strome
Gitter done BM
Now one shouldn't solely base a players potential on stats alone, but Strome clearly has the ability to fill out and be a star.
Couturier's also put up some very good numbers as well. He's pretty much as NHL ready as Landeskog, can play the second line centre position as of next year most likely, (which we desperately need) and put Landeskog's stats to complete shame.
In 5 games played more than GL, a thirty point differential.
And I would pick the best player in the world in Crosby over Ovechkin any day.
Personality shouldn't have so much influence.
I'm all over Strome too, but I really think we're gunning for Lando. I'll trust our scouts over my own opinion.
Interesting to see Strome is up to 183 pounds I think it said. That is pretty impressive for a guy that was like 160 last year.
I just feel that as of right now, in the rebuilding phase that we are in, and the desperate need of high end young talent, as hard as it may be, we need to draft the player, be it at 6th, 2nd, 3rd, or what have you, with the most pure hockey goal scoring skill we can get.
The Sens are in dire need of GOALS. What were we ranked last season in goals scored? (I actually don't know) We do NOT need checkers, we do NOT need grinders, we do NOT need penalty killers. We need a young player, who down the road has the highest potential in my opinion to score 35-40+ goals a year. That is what we have missed since Heatley.
And to be honest, since we've gotten rid of that type of player, the team has freefallen.
We need to find a way to get that type of threat back either beside Spezza, or playing behind him.
Ya man he's gettin bigger.
Honestly bro, one more year of Junior for this kid, and he's going to put all of his draft peers to shame. The kid is disgusting.
Also I can see why the sens are so interested in Strome. Ottawa wants character and strome seems to have alot of it. I think you need players with great personalities to be succseful. To many sad sacks were on this team with no personality which I think was also a big factor to why Ottawa was unsuccesful.
I'm not gonna say you are wrong. I literally find myself each and everyday, switching between who I want to see Ottawa draft, even if they had #2, I still don't know who I'd take. I'v literally gone through all Lando, Huberdeau, Couturier, Strome. I haven't yet been sold on Zibi though... Maybe in the next few days.
Skill wise, I think he's better. Strome plays a lot like Nugent-Hopkins when I watch him. Same type of player, but more of a scorer.
Yup, he reminds me alot of Taylor Hall actually. I guess it really all boils down to if they want a NHL ready player in Landeskog or Couturier or someone a year or two off like Strome, which I think will be in the NHL this year or next depending on his Summer.
Other than that, I'll stay at 6th and most likely have to choose between Zibanejad, Strome, or Couturier. *Oh*, the horror of picking between one of those three!
Get NHL ready in the NHL today.
I know it kind of pisses me off. I think everybody's forgotten about Larsson over the past little while, too. He wasn't even on the panel of prospects with Don Cherry. A lot of focus has been on the forwards and Dougie Hamilton, when Adam Larsson is arguably the best player in the draft.
Too many PMD imo, even though Larsson and Rundblad are supposedly more complete defensively. God that would be a hell of a trio on the backend with Cowen.
That would be unreal. Karlsson has more offensive flair and skill than some of our present top 6
Crazy
Bob MacKenzie's prospect ranking show is up on TSN at 7:30pm.
Could use a stream asap
Lando's dropped to 4.
Assistant anyone?
After reading this, the only picks I'm comfortable with is Larsson, Landeskog, or Strome.
Melynk quote from an article referenced on a different popular Ottawa Senators blog. Just in reference to his habit of meddling. It really makes me wonder how much Ottawa gave up to send Fisher to Nashville. Honestly though I can't see how the Sens would have done much better than 21st overall + a 3rd rounder for a 30 year old top-six forward. It does make me wonder though.
NAME / GRADE / PROJECTION
Lehner / A / 1st goalie
Rundblad / B / 2-3 Dman
Silferberg / B / 2nd line
Cowen / B / 3-4 Dman
Condra / B / 2nd line
Butler, Greening, DaCosta weren't even mentioned.
I don't see how much more they could have gotten either. I think it was important that Ottawa show Mike Fisher the respect he earned as a valued member of the community. Classy move by the organization, that's for sure.
I like both players, both have heart, same with Neil.
Not making judgment good or bad but personal for sure.
Maybe you should stick to giving your opinion on hockey. Bonehead.
Gerbe etc will never be superstars...
You won't find superstars at #21 these days. But Grimaldi is another Gerbe/Ennis and I'll take one of those at #21.
Unrealistically, I'm hoping for Landeskog and Strome, that's 2/3rds of a top line.
and
Jurco with the 21st
He could turn out to be someone great, but I would take my chances with someone else before him. Players at that size seldom succeed.
Jesus. Think before you type out posts like that. Seriously, what are you thinking?!
You're against "french personality"!?! ? Whatever the fuck you mean by that, I don't know.
Ugh
Or do their personalities 'kill you'?
LOL, one of my alltime favorite players Patrick Roy is french, so your point isn't made. I just don't like HIS "french personality".
NOPE .... there isn't that much of a difference between 3 and 6 to warrant giving up that much
Any chance you could sound more ignorant?
What did everyone think of the most recent Senate Reform episode. I have enjoyed the series up until now but this one left me wanting more.
I guess the next episode is the last?
It was VERY boring. I watched that exact episode (maybe even more information) on TSN when they brought in those guys to workout and TSN covered it. First two were great, that one was just pointless IMO
Who would everyone select with our first 6 picks of the draft? I'll set some parameters for fun:
- No trading up or down.
- Use Bob's draft board to keep it "realistic".
- For the 6th keep it within 1 (or lower) to BMac's projections
- For the 21st keep it within 2 (or lower) to Bmac's
- For all 2nd and 3rd round choices, within 5 picks of Bmac's projections.
For those of you that don't know off the top of your head Ottawa's selections are as follows:
6th
21st
35th
48th
60th
65th
6th: Strome
21st: McNeill/Saad
35th: Prince
48th: Perhonen
60th: Ambroz
65th: Lowry/Granlund
Other players that are said inconsistant (or even lazy in Strome's case)worries me.
I'd still go for the most potent offensive skill available for our 6th though.
To me, if we're lucky we'll get Strome - Grimaldi - Jenner with our first three picks.
Well they are absolutely trying to move up. They have held preliminary discussions with every team ahead of them in the order. They have actually been surprisingly public with that info so far.
Not a big fan. Found it very boring and didn't learn anything. Obviously they can't give any key info away, but even acknowledging that, I felt it was horrendously boring.
The only thing I learned this year (about the draft) was, I THINK from a Scanlan article when he said that Murray keeps years and years worth of his scouts projections, then compares then with how those prospects actually turn out.
I thought that's a pretty cool/diligent way to (more or less objectively) determine your best, most trustworthy scouts.
No such tidbits on Senate Reform, although I've only seen one episode, so I could be wrong.
It could be interesting to watch if they do an issue after the draft going into detail with each player we get in the draft.
Not sure we move our 6 pick but no way we keep Nashville .
Other yeas we would pick 21 but not this year.
He's tells you quite a bit considering he has to be relatively tight-lipped. He also seems to have a 'no bullshit' style in that he's never coy with the people asking him questions.
Seems like very few hockey personalities actually give good interviews, but TM is definitely one of them in my books.
i was pretty dissapointed when someone asked dorrion about possibly drafting another goalie. and dorrion responded about sens being real high on lehner (and spoke about being 19 and winning calder just like price). dont get me wrong, i personally love the play of lehner, but like dorrion said, you can never have too much depth in any position. we only have 1 goalie prospect in lehner, i would like us to draft a goalie this year. (i believe there are 3 goalies projected to go in the 2nd round: john gibson, christopher gibson and samu perhonen)
Same here, I grew up in Calgary and was even lucky enough to go back for 2 of the finals games. They are so fucked right now it's not even funny....
i third that motion. calgary has been my number 2 team after ottawa since i remember ever watching hockey.
Step by step, ladies and gents.
Robin Lehner: 19 GP - 14 wins, 4 losses, 3 shutouts, GAA of 2.10 and a save percentage of 0.939.
Carey Price: 22 GP – 15 wins, 6 losses, 2 shutouts, GAA of 2.05 and a save percentage of 0.936.
Oh...Add to that: He is the 4th teenager goalie to win the Calder...Others : Price, Patrick Roy and some dude from the 40's-50's.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HIM IN THE NHL! Develop him next year and then get him in as the backup.
Now that's interesting scenario. But next year's draft is supposed to be better than this is in not.
But also... they could trade assets at the deadline to get another 1st round pick.... hopefully a much better playing Gonchar.
Let's not go away trading 1st rounders for upcoming years. Without Michalek we know our teams scoring will go down quite a bit. Who knows how bad we would be if he was gone. We might end up regretting that one more than the leafs probably regret trading the seguin pick and this years first rounder.
Trading future draft picks is not a good idea.
What if we come dead last next year? We'd have nothing to show for it.
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