Sunday, 19 June 2011 18:53

Back In Business

With the NHL Entry Draft now just five days away, there will certainly be some busy days ahead for the Ottawa Senators and for the site.  With that in mind I felt like this weekend would be a good time to take a little break and recharge the batteries.

As Twitter followers may know, I spent the last three night in Boston.  It was an amazing weekend that included a couple Red Sox games and a Stanley Cup Parade.

As a Red Sox fan, it has always been a dream of mine to get to a game at Fenway Park.  On Friday night, we sat out in the Centre Field Bleachers and then on Saturday our seats were directly behind the visiting dugout.  Unbelievable expereine and something I will never forget.

The parade on Saturday was absolutely insane.  Obviously a great time but here's hoping the next Stanley Cup parade I attend is here in Ottawa.

Thanks to the loyal readers of the site for keeping things going on here while I was gone.  I was able to follow the comment section over the course of the weekend and saw that the discussion continued on seamlessly in my absence.

As it turns out, the vacation was well timed because this turned out to be a fairly quiet weekend for the Sens.

One piece of news that did surface though is the pending addition of Dave Cameron to the coaching staff. I think it's pretty clear who is pulling the strings on that personnel move but despite his recent struggles in big games, Cameron is a hard working guy that should help out the Sens staff.

I just hope that new head coach Paul MacLean was given the opportunity to be involved in this decision.  Nothing official has been announced as of yet but I think we could hear something as soon as tomorrow.

We'll get into some draft talk starting tomorrow.

And in case you're reading...Happy Father's Day, Dad!

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-20 #1 bigpuck 2011-06-19 17:57
First.
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-8 #2 Boo Boo Garrioch 2011-06-19 18:06
Melnyk now has his locker room spy in place.
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-6 #3 Rundbladsson 2011-06-19 18:06
damn, beat me to it
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+6 #4 Phoenix 2011-06-19 18:08
Welcome back. Glad to hear you had a good time. I am hoping that Murray finds a way to pick up an extra 1st or two. I also think we will start to see some deals being completed within the NHL in the next couple of days. I wonder who is going to be moved early.
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+6 #5 Johne 2011-06-19 18:10
I don't get why everyone is so quick to say this was Melnyk's call and while I do think he influenced it, Cameron sure has more ties to Ottawa than a lot of other candidates I'm sure. Menlynk did not choose Cameron to coach Team Canada in the World Juniors, so other people think he's a good coach as well. Don't be so quick to judge.
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-8 #6 Rundbladsson 2011-06-19 18:39
Imagine if:

Michalek and Kuba both dealt at the draft to move up
Select Lando, than Jurco

BM lands Brad Marchand or Andrew Ladd with an offer sheet.
Signs Brooks Laich and one of Tommy Fleischmann or Jussi Jokinen
Brings in Harding to back up

Marchand/Ladd - Spezza - Butler
Lando - Laich - Alfredsson
Fleischmann/Jok inen - Da Costa - Greening
Foligno - Smith - Neil

Extra: Winchester, Condra

Winnie switches with Smith, and Condra with Greening depending who is playing better

Gonchar Karlsson
Rundblad Phillips
Carkner Cowen

Anderson
Harding

Solid!
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0 #7 Frootmig 2011-06-19 18:39
Quoting bigpuck:
First.

That's the best meme you can come up with ... why not:

All your Cameron are belong to us!

or

In Soviet Russia, Business back in you!

or for the geeks out there ...

Imagine a Beowolf cluster of Camerons
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-4 #8 Frootmig 2011-06-19 18:41
Quoting Rundbladsson:
Imagine if:

Michalek and Kuba both dealt at the draft to move up
Select Lando, than Jurco

BM lands Brad Marchand or Andrew Ladd with an offer sheet.
Signs Brooks Laich and one of Tommy Fleischmann or Jussi Jokinen
Brings in Harding to back up

Marchand/Ladd Spezza Butler
Lando Laich Alfredsson
Fleischmann/Jokinen Da Costa Greening
Foligno Smith Neil

Extra: Winchester, Condra

Winnie switches with Smith, and Condra with Greening depending who is playing better

Gonchar Karlsson
Rundblad Phillips
Carkner Cowen

Anderson
Harding

Solid!

Nice idea ... but cue Supertramp ... "Dreamer .... nothing but a dreamer ...."
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+5 #9 Round Leaf 2011-06-19 19:03
More so than any other draft in recent memory, I get the feeling that there will be a lot of movement (ie: trades) going down since there is so much parity within picks. Teams with higher picks won`t be afraid to move down because they`ve been scouting forever and probably have a solid sleeper. And teams with lower picks won`t need to prepare an outrageous package to move up.
I`m about 95% certain that, unless we move down significantly, the player that we select with our first pick will be Zibanejad or Strome or Landeskog (if Murray wants to move up).
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-4 #10 moneymike 2011-06-19 19:03
Not a fan of Marchand. Sure, he had a great playoffs. But that nose would irritate me over an 82 game season.
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-5 #11 Lambchops 2011-06-19 19:10
I don't think Marchand is 1st line material. I also don't like that guy
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+4 #12 hamany 2011-06-19 20:12
so in five days the sens will chose there pick. can't wait. HOPE THEY PICK LANDESKOG!
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+2 #13 Andrews Theory 2011-06-19 20:24
marchand is awesome. you'd love him if he played for the sens, especially if we'd picked him inthe 3rd round like boston.

also, i dont think we are a team that should be talking about whether or not a kid with that level of talent is first line material. he would immediately become our second best forward.
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+1 #14 Bob Swarley 2011-06-19 20:24
Hope you enjoyed the cup parade. My uncle was in it (got to hoist the grail and all) and he said it was the wildest thing he's ever been a part of. Good on the people in Boston to come out and support. It apparently lived up to being a party 39 years in the waiting.
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-2 #15 bigpuck 2011-06-19 20:24
'their' pick.
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0 #16 Andrews Theory 2011-06-19 20:25
chirp,

whats the deal with the hockey pool?
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+1 #17 SensChirp 2011-06-19 20:29
Quoting Andrews Theory:
chirp,

whats the deal with the hockey pool?

Ah yes, thanks for the reminder! Congrats! Email me and we can talk about a prize.
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-2 #18 Andrews Theory 2011-06-19 21:01
thx,

email sent.
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0 #19 moneymike 2011-06-19 21:03
Quoting Andrews Theory:
marchand is awesome. you'd love him if he played for the sens, especially if we'd picked him inthe 3rd round like boston.

also, i dont think we are a team that should be talking about whether or not a kid with that level of talent is first line material. he would immediately become our second best forward.


Don't tell me who to love!
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-5 #20 senswatch 2011-06-19 21:09
Quoting Johne:
I don't get why everyone is so quick to say this was Melnyk's call and while I do think he influenced it, Cameron sure has more ties to Ottawa than a lot of other candidates I'm sure. Menlynk did not choose Cameron to coach Team Canada in the World Juniors, so other people think he's a good coach as well. Don't be so quick to judge.

Dave Cameron coached the Binghamton senators for 3 years. the team sucked and he was relieved of his duties. So he couldn't coach our Ahl team, now he's being brought to coach our Nhl team?
Thanks Eugene. Where do i buy my tickets?
I hope we get an explanation for this.
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-4 #21 Sandy 2011-06-19 21:18
The Dave Cameron hire stinks of Melnyk's interference. If McLean wanted his friend Reeds to join his staff I hope this did not stop that hire. Having 2 OHL coaches join your staff is risky -- if not KK --then someone like Cunneyworth.

I know a lot of you don't think KK should be the assitant but he did coach a lot of these players coming into the Sens lineup in the next two years. KK has 1 yr left on his contract. I see him gone after that. A big mistake in my opinion if he does leave.

I see Landeskog going to Colorado. I can't see Murray paying the asking price to move up 4 spots in the draft.

5 more days until the draft.

Then July 1st in which I hope Murray only goes after the goaltender. Other than Laich or maybe Upshall that is all I would want.

Marchand will not be leaving Boston. Ladd will be signed in Winnipeg.

Can't see Michalek traded. Murray wants to get a top 6 forward not trade one away.
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+2 #22 Johne 2011-06-19 21:20
LOL he isn't the head coach, relax.

Also Spezza destroyed with Cameron as his coach in Bingo.

Why would people be so angry about an assistant brought in, who seems to be a well respected coach in the world of hockey?
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+3 #23 Sandy 2011-06-19 21:25
Also -- Dave Cameron announced tonight at the St. Mike's Majors banquet that he was stepping down as head coach as he will be going to the NHL. I don't think he actually said the Sens... but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to determine that.

Don't you think an announcement like that should come from the Sens... not Cameron?

Apparently a couple of other NHL teams inquired on Cameron for assistant coach.... Detroit reported to be one of them.
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+5 #24 Patrick1 2011-06-19 21:35
Welcome back SC! I really like the idea of Cameron as an assistant coach. I wasn't keen on him as the head coach but he'll make a terrific assistant. I do appreciate the concerns of others (e.g. OHL final) but there's no denying he's a very good coach. I also think he'll add a lot to draft day discussions. The question for me now is who will be the other assistant coach. I would really like to see either KK or Mark Reeds as the other assistant coach. That would make for quite the coaching staff.
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+1 #25 Sandy 2011-06-19 21:46
Quoting senswatch:
Quoting Johne:
I don't get why everyone is so quick to say this was Melnyk's call and while I do think he influenced it, Cameron sure has more ties to Ottawa than a lot of other candidates I'm sure. Menlynk did not choose Cameron to coach Team Canada in the World Juniors, so other people think he's a good coach as well. Don't be so quick to judge.

Dave Cameron coached the Binghamton senators for 3 years. the team sucked and he was relieved of his duties. So he couldn't coach our Ahl team, now he's being brought to coach our Nhl team?
Thanks Eugene. Where do i buy my tickets?
I hope we get an explanation for this.


He coached Binghamton during the Muckler years. Do we need to explain further... ie he had no players to work with -- other than probably Spezza. What did he have in goal? Jeff Glass, Kelly Guard? How did they work out?
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+3 #26 Captain Alfie 2011-06-19 21:50
Dave Cameron looks qualified on paper to be an assistant coach at the NHL level. He has experience coaching Spezza and Neil during the lockout and the team did well. Spezza was the AHL mvp with 117 pts that season. As long as he does'nt get in Maclean's way I think we have a good signing in Cameron.
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+1 #27 MM41966 2011-06-19 22:00
Welcome back SC. Glad to hear you had a great time in Boston. The draft will be very interesting on Friday. I hope Bryan Murray makes interesting moves. I hope the Sens will be able to draft Couturier, Huberdeau or Landerskog. About Dave Cameron coming to Ottawa, not impressed but at least he is not calling the shots, since The Stache is in charge. Keep up the great work.
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-3 #28 Dorkiewicz 2011-06-19 22:14
MELNYK DOES NOT pick the coaches. He does not pick the assistants either. He can suggest things to Murray all he wants, but has said many times he does not enter into Murray's side of things.

I don't see Murray, with his immense hockey knowledge, as the type to tolerate orders from someone who is (although an owner) merely a fan.

I truly believe Melnyk's role is WAY less than a lot of fans believe. MacLean chooses his assistants and I don't see HIM as the type to take orders from Melnyk either.

Honestly, do we all have our collective heads up our asses? The reason you HIRE a GM in the first place is to make the hockey decisions.

Damn, why does this make me so angry? Melnyk does not run our team. Fuck! Arg!
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-3 #29 Dorkiewicz 2011-06-19 22:16
Do people think it's impossible that MacLean actually picks Cameron of his own accord? It's not like Cameron's some unknown piece of shit.

Melnyk does not pick our assistant coaches. Period.
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+2 #30 CaMo 2011-06-19 22:22
People just have this idea in their heads that Cameron is a shitty pick as assistant coach because of what Melnyk said during the Mem. cup. He's going to have some good imput and strategy to bring to the club. His teams did make it to the finals - only to lose, but you dont get into the finals by losing anyways. His St.Mikes team this year wasn't even that good and they made it deep. Who was their best player? Casey Cizekas?

The Stache+Dave Cameron+ Mark Reeds = Beauty Coaching staff ... Also, I don't think we need to worry about Maclean getting his toes stepped on by Cameron, he knows his place and he's not going to fuck up his rep by screwing with maclean.
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+3 #31 Dorkiewicz 2011-06-19 22:23
After reading some articles about Murray's diligence in scouting (especially the way he checks into years of past scouting reports to see which of his scouts are the most accurate), it's safe to say no one here has a better idea of who he should pick than he does.

I don't begrudge people having favourites, but saying you'll be angry if he doesn't pick so-and-so or so-and-so has the most raw talent, or so-and-so would be a waste of a pick... we don't know, and we CERTAINLY don't know better than the juggernaut scouting system we have in place.

Trust in Murray and ye shall be rewarded. He's done way more research than any of us could ever do. Sit back and enjoy!!!
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+3 #32 Senseagles47 2011-06-19 22:35
You know at first I wasn't too pleased about Cameron becoming our assistant coach. But even though he did not win any championships, it certainly means something when you get far the way he did on three separate occasions.

It definitely would have boosted his value if he was able to win a Gold medal or championship cup but at least he is good with younger players and must have at least learnt from his previous failures.

This might sound optimistic but sometimes you have to lose in order to win.
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-5 #33 Johne 2011-06-19 22:57
http://twitter.com/Eklund - Tomorrow will be a huge day. I am hearing rumors of up to three trades early in the week. Look to Ottawa, st Louis, la kings, flyers....
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-3 #34 Dean the Dream Brown 2011-06-19 23:11
Eugene Melnyk = George Steinbrenner 2.0
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+3 #35 Rob 2011-06-19 23:14
Red Sox Fan?!?! great, I really liked this site too...
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-3 #36 Mike Bauer 2011-06-19 23:57
Ideally this will happen.

Kuba gets bought out.
They dont sign back Shannon.

Draft Landeskog.
Sign Leino.
Sign Fleishman.
Sign Conklin. (who I have heard they will pursue)
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+1 #37 Harry 2011-06-20 00:31
Cameron could be the bad cop to MacLean's good cop.
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+3 #38 Mitchell 2011-06-20 00:52
If Murray is unable to move up in the draft and we sit at 6th with Landeskog picked already I really hope that Murray strongly considers Mika Zibanejad. Zibanejad is Considered to be the next Zetterberg. OUR TEAM could really use a talent like Zetterberg. He could easily become our future 2nd line Center. (IMO)

According to Bob McKenzie(twitte r) This seasons cap is going up to $64 Million with the lower end of the cap being $48 Million. Obviously the idea of spending money unwillingly in a rebuild year is not what we want to do, but for one season to help with the rebuild let's pick up NYR 1st and Chris Drury for Filip Kuba.
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-6 #39 Mitchell 2011-06-20 00:59
Peter Regin - Jason Spezza - Bobby Butler
Mika Zibanejad - Chris Drury - Daniel Alfredsson
Nick Foligno - Zack Smith - Milian Michalek
Colin Greening - Jesse Winchester - Chris Neil

David Rundblad - Erik Karlsson
Chris Philip - Jared Cowen
Brian Lee - Sergei Gonchar

Craig Anderson
Tomas Vokoun?
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+1 #40 MoeDozer 2011-06-20 01:23
Quoting Mitchell:
If Murray is unable to move up in the draft and we sit at 6th with Landeskog picked already I really hope that Murray strongly considers Mika Zibanejad. Zibanejad is Considered to be the next Zetterberg. OUR TEAM could really use a talent like Zetterberg. He could easily become our future 2nd line Center. (IMO)


i agree, z-berg can = z-jad or z-ban or z-bad
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+1 #41 Nick 2011-06-20 01:43
Quoting Mitchell:
Peter Regin - Jason Spezza - Bobby Butler
Mika Zibanejad - Chris Drury - Daniel Alfredsson
Nick Foligno - Zack Smith - Milian Michalek
Colin Greening - Jesse Winchester - Chris Neil

David Rundblad - Erik Karlsson
Chris Philip - Jared Cowen
Brian Lee - Sergei Gonchar

Craig Anderson
Tomas Vokoun?


Peter Regin probably won't be playing on the first line. Also, Vokoun as a backup is very wishful thinking. There's no way he comes to Ottawa as a backup.
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+2 #42 Floridasensfan 2011-06-20 07:06
I am not here to battle amongst ourselves here but as far as Cameron I don't have any problem with the hire he does have good qualifications. time will tell.
However Melnyk is BMs boss if he says he would like to see cameron as an assistant, BM has to give it serious consideration and favor making his boss happy if it is not a terrible idea, if it was a terrible idea BM would say no.

Same goes for Mclean BM being his new boss.

to think there is zero influence is just not logical.
BM has the final say I will not argue that.

I also hope KK is in Ottawa this year but I would rather the decision be based on what Mclean needs in an assistant for his program than just because KK is a great coach.

If KK fits Mcleans needs then great deal.
They will get us another great assitant whoever that is.

few more days to the draft, waiting is like watching paint dry.
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+1 #43 TKM18 2011-06-20 07:19
I agree FloridaSensFan. I don't think Melnyk is that nightmare owner who interferes in everything, but to suggest he does not have an input into trades and signings would be wrong. He doesn't defer 100% of the hockey decisions to Murray. What is more likely, that MacLean wanted to hire Cameron on his own accord or Melnyk suggested it to Murray who got the wheels spinning? I'm not saying I dislike Cameron, but I think it's pretty clear that this was not MacLean's choice, and I normally like the idea of a coach picking his own assistants. Maybe the team wants a little more input because it's his first NHL head coaching job but Cameron was Melnyk's guy and it's pretty obvious that's why he's in right now.
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0 #44 Senut 2011-06-20 07:32
Chrip, at least you're not a Yankees fan! Cameron is a great coach and will be a great assistant for us. However, I believe that the head coach should pick all of his staff; people he will work well with. Melnyk should not be forcing Murray's hand.
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+1 #45 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-20 07:56
Yeah I think having Dave Cameron as assistant is a great idea. I would rather have him under MacLean as the assistant, then to be the head coach of which the rumors were alluring to 2 months ago.

He's a guy with tons of experience managing young players, the perfect guy for a team like the Sens. I think the MacLean+Cameron coaching combo will be a good one. Would be nice to see who the last guy will be.
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+1 #46 Johne 2011-06-20 08:00
I'd actually like to see a guy from the Q take the 2nd slot. We have a bench boss that knows how to get what it takes out of NHL players, an assistant that can do it with OHL players and I think a Q coach could do some real good with alot of the higher ceiling players from the Q that lots of people (including me) that think the transition from the Q to the NHL is the hardest to judge.
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+1 #47 Senut 2011-06-20 08:14
Quoting bigpuck:
First.

Your comment has the same score as Rory McIlroy had when he finished the US Open yesterday, -16.
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+2 #48 Andrews Theory 2011-06-20 08:19
I always find it entertaining that people pencil in players that are not yet drafted on the first or second line.

Tyler Seguin, (arguably better than anyone available this year) is not yet first or second line material.

Taper your expectations. there is a small handful of players undrafted that are ready to step into prominent roles in the NHL.

Mika Zibanejad is not NHL ready and he's committed to playing in Sweden for another 2 years. Dont get me wrong I like the pick because it means we are committed to a proper rebuild. 2-3years from now this kid is probably a top 6 talent and contributing.
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+1 #49 Andrews Theory 2011-06-20 08:20
i gotta think they give that assistant spot to luke richardson.
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0 #50 PraiseAlfie84 2011-06-20 08:31
*FACEPALM* They've already said Drury WON'T be playing next year, and probably never again, his knee is shot, his career is over. Do we really want to eat a $7M cap hit just to get NYR's 1st? It's Melnyk's money, and he's already over paying guys like Kuba and buying out Cheechoo still. The last thing we need is Drury collecting a pay cheque, the NYR are stuck with him. If Murray did that I would drop kick him in the nuts...
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0 #51 Senut 2011-06-20 08:34
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
*FACEPALM* They've already said Drury WON'T be playing next year, and probably never again, his knee is shot, his career is over. Do we really want to eat a $7M cap hit just to get NYR's 1st? It's Melnyk's money, and he's already over paying guys like Kuba and buying out Cheechoo still. The last thing we need is Drury collecting a pay cheque, the NYR are stuck with him. If Murray did that I would drop kick him in the nuts...

I'd pay 3 Mil for a first round pick in a heartbeat.
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0 #52 PraiseAlfie84 2011-06-20 08:38
Quoting Senut:

I'd pay 3 Mil for a first round pick in a heartbeat.



Thank god you're not our GM then....
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+1 #53 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-20 08:52
Quoting Andrews Theory:
I always find it entertaining that people pencil in players that are not yet drafted on the first or second line.

Tyler Seguin, (arguably better than anyone available this year) is not yet first or second line material.


Tyler Seguin on most other teams, even on the Sens, is a second line centre though. But with a team as deep as Boston, there isn't any room for him in the top 6.

Boston has such a strong roster, that they can afford to slot their rookies wherever they want, even when their picking prospects in the top ten. We can thank the TML for that.
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+1 #54 KK65 2011-06-20 08:57
Just heard through the grapevine from a contact in Shawville, that apparently, the Murrays and Garth Snow have been holding ongoing discussions regarding a trade...
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-1 #55 PraiseAlfie84 2011-06-20 09:02
Quoting KK65:
Just heard through the grapevine from a contact in Shawville, that apparently, the Murrays and Garth Snow have been holding ongoing discussions regarding a trade...


Is there anything on the Islanders worth trading for besides their 1st pick or Tavares?
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-1 #56 -zs 2011-06-20 09:05
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Quoting KK65:
Just heard through the grapevine from a contact in Shawville, that apparently, the Murrays and Garth Snow have been holding ongoing discussions regarding a trade...


Is there anything on the Islanders worth trading for besides their 1st pick or Tavares?


Ya this doesn't really make sense. Islanders have plenty of good D prospects, but lack the elite D prospect such as Hamilton. So no need for them to move back in the draft to pick up more picks.

Also, no need for Ottawa to move up that one position, really doesn't serve us much good.

Doesn't make much sense to me, but often the things that don't make much sense is what is really happening.
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+2 #57 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-20 09:06
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Quoting KK65:
Just heard through the grapevine from a contact in Shawville, that apparently, the Murrays and Garth Snow have been holding ongoing discussions regarding a trade...


Is there anything on the Islanders worth trading for besides their 1st pick or Tavares?


Grabner, Niederreiter, Moulson, Parrenteau, de Haan, Cizikas.

The Islanders have sick players
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+1 #58 KK65 2011-06-20 09:08
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Quoting KK65:
Just heard through the grapevine from a contact in Shawville, that apparently, the Murrays and Garth Snow have been holding ongoing discussions regarding a trade...


Is there anything on the Islanders worth trading for besides their 1st pick or Tavares?

imo, if anything, this probably is going to be a smaller trade....could be wrong though, so who knows
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+4 #59 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-20 09:11
If it involves the trade of one Filip Kuba, there shouldn't be any reason to complain.
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+1 #60 moneymike 2011-06-20 09:13
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Quoting KK65:
Just heard through the grapevine from a contact in Shawville, that apparently, the Murrays and Garth Snow have been holding ongoing discussions regarding a trade...


Is there anything on the Islanders worth trading for besides their 1st pick or Tavares?


Grabner, Niederreiter, Moulson, Parrenteau, de Haan, Cizikas.

The Islanders have sick players


That they do. They can never just stay healthy, otherwise I think they would be an amazing team.
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+1 #61 Johne 2011-06-20 09:14
I'd take Moulson or Okposo off the Islander's hands real fast.
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+2 #62 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-06-20 09:15
I totally get why people are doubting the Cameron hire (if it fact it does happen), but I think you need to look beyond the Melnyk connection.

There's little doubt that Eugene loves the guy, and if Cameron is to be hired, I'm sure that a lot of people will assume that it was Eugene once again exerting his influence on Senators hockey management.

But if you look at Cameron's resume objectively, it is fairly impressive. He's been a head coach in the OHL and the AHL, and he was good enough for Team Canada. You can definitely make the argument that he hasn't won championships as a coach, but to have taken teams to the Memorial Cup final and to the gold medal game at the World Jr's is no small feat.

Plus he's an assistant, and another maritimer. I think he's a great candidate for the Senators asst coach position, and he'll do well in it.
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0 #63 The Apostle 2011-06-20 09:16
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Quoting Andrews Theory:
I always find it entertaining that people pencil in players that are not yet drafted on the first or second line.

Tyler Seguin, (arguably better than anyone available this year) is not yet first or second line material.


Tyler Seguin on most other teams, even on the Sens, is a second line centre though. But with a team as deep as Boston, there isn't any room for him in the top 6.


EVEN on the Sens?? To be fair, you and I are probably second line centre on the sens at the moment.
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0 #64 Senut 2011-06-20 09:16
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Quoting Senut:

I'd pay 3 Mil for a first round pick in a heartbeat.



Thank god you're not our GM then....

Are you kidding me? You wouldn't take a guy who will have absolutely NO effect on our team moving forward in order to facilitate our rebuild with another quality first round pick? Not to mention ease the logjam we have on the back end?
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0 #65 Senut 2011-06-20 09:18
...and you think the Islanders have no assets.....wow. ..
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+1 #66 Floridasensfan 2011-06-20 09:18
If we traded some stuff for the islander pick it is another piece to move up further, at worst another top pick.

no idea just sayin
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+1 #67 RUSHRLZ 2011-06-20 09:25
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
*FACEPALM* They've already said Drury WON'T be playing next year, and probably never again, his knee is shot, his career is over. Do we really want to eat a $7M cap hit just to get NYR's 1st? It's Melnyk's money, and he's already over paying guys like Kuba and buying out Cheechoo still. The last thing we need is Drury collecting a pay cheque, the NYR are stuck with him. If Murray did that I would drop kick him in the nuts...


If we did acquire Drury it would be to take him off the Rangers summer cap.

Once here at training camp, 99.9% positive he will immediately go on LTR and 95% certainty not play at all this year.

Not sure who pays for players who spend all year on LTR? Insurance or The Euge? Anyone know?

Anyway, chances are Drury would waive to go. He is fighting the buyout and at least here he would get all of his cash for not playing instead of only 2/3 of it.
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-1 #68 -zs 2011-06-20 09:27
Quoting Floridasensfan:
If we traded some stuff for the islander pick it is another piece to move up further, at worst another top pick.

no idea just sayin



I just don't know what we have that they would need for that 5th (without giving up our own 6th).

- 21st is obvious.
They have a bunch of good but not elite D prospects, so they don't need Wiercioch.
- loading up on additional seconds isn't going to get them that elite talent they need. They have a ton of really good prospects, but only a few elite ones.

It would be great to pull off a similar trade to Rundblad, and trade our 6th + something for Nino.
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+1 #69 -zs 2011-06-20 09:35
It actually helps both teams a lot. They have a lot of great up and coming wingers already playing. With the free acquisition of Grabner last year, that is now one additional spot taken up in their top 6.

This allows the Islanders to either take 2 elite D. Or take one elite D and one elite C prospect to go behind Tavares (unless they think Bailey will continue to rise to be an elite 2nd line C, but I don't)
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0 #70 Mitchell 2011-06-20 09:35
I think Peter Regin can take the first line Left Wing spot because of the way he played. Way before he was given his new role with Cory Clouston's Defensive Strategy. His a goal scorer and we're in a rebuild, I'd give him another shot for what his done in the pass with Spezza.

If Chris Drury never plays again that would be a shame. So the trade is a wild card. if the trade was made we'd get rid of one defense men who's role could go to David Rundblad. We'd maybe get a 2nd line center that can play and score 20-30 goals or his injured and that gives us Roster Room. Not to forget NYR 15th Overall Pick. and considering NYR position we maybe able to get something extra out of it.

Glad to see Lindstrom give it one more year. Still the best Puck Moving D-Man (IMO)
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+1 #71 RUSHRLZ 2011-06-20 09:40
Quoting THEBLACKTERROR:
I totally get why people are doubting the Cameron hire (if it fact it does happen), but I think you need to look beyond the Melnyk connection.


EXACTLY. He's a damned good assistant candidate with ties to the organization and the move makes sense. I am often paranoid Melnyk is meddling, however in this case we have no reason to believe so, plus he's a great candidate.
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+2 #72 Frootmig 2011-06-20 09:40
Quoting -zs:
I just don't know what we have that they would need for that 5th (without giving up our own 6th).

- 21st is obvious.
They have a bunch of good but not elite D prospects, so they don't need Wiercioch.
- loading up on additional seconds isn't going to get them that elite talent they need. They have a ton of really good prospects, but only a few elite ones.

It would be great to pull off a similar trade to Rundblad, and trade our 6th + something for Nino.

If the Isles are looking at a D-man (which Ottawa doesn't want), Murray might be offering a swap, a depth player (with $ on contract - Kuba please - might have to throw in a 4th liner) and a guarantee not to touch that defender. The Isles don't lose anything and they have to take on about $12M in salary just to reach the projected $48M floor. Not like anybody is going to willingly sign there.
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+1 #73 Floridasensfan 2011-06-20 09:45
If the Isles are looking at a D-man (which Ottawa doesn't want), Murray might be offering a swap, a depth player (with $ on contract - Kubsa please - might have to throw in a 4th liner) and a guarantee not to touch that defender. The Isles don't lose anything and they have to take on about $12M in salary just to reach the projected $48M floor. Not like anybody is going to willingly sign there.

thats an interesting thought.
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+1 #74 Dork 2011-06-20 09:46
Quoting Senut:
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Quoting Senut:

I'd pay 3 Mil for a first round pick in a heartbeat.

Thank god you're not our GM then....

Are you kidding me? You wouldn't take a guy who will have absolutely NO effect on our team moving forward in order to facilitate our rebuild with another quality first round pick? Not to mention ease the logjam we have on the back end?


I was just about to rip into him (PA) for this, but now I don't have to.
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0 #75 KK65 2011-06-20 09:47
Quoting -zs:
It actually helps both teams a lot. They have a lot of great up and coming wingers already playing. With the free acquisition of Grabner last year, that is now one additional spot taken up in their top 6.

This allows the Islanders to either take 2 elite D. Or take one elite D and one elite C prospect to go behind Tavares (unless they think Bailey will continue to rise to be an elite 2nd line C, but I don't)

Rundblad won't be part of any deal, they would have been much more hush about this if it were the case....which leads me to believe that this deal will not be something major.
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0 #76 Frootmig 2011-06-20 09:48
Quoting Frootmig:
If the Isles are looking at a D-man (which Ottawa doesn't want), Murray might be offering a swap, a depth player (with $ on contract - Kubsa please - might have to throw in a 4th liner) and a guarantee not to touch that defender. The Isles don't lose anything and they have to take on about $12M in salary just to reach the projected $48M floor. Not like anybody is going to willingly sign there.

That would then allow Murray to use some of the other assets to go after New Jersey's pick.

Jersey's in a bit of cap trouble, needing to fill 3 roster spots and having only $4.5M of cap space (Including Parise to sign - who is being taken to arbitration I think).
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0 #77 -zs 2011-06-20 09:50
Quoting Floridasensfan:

If the Isles are looking at a D-man (which Ottawa doesn't want), Murray might be offering a swap, a depth player (with $ on contract - Kubsa please - might have to throw in a 4th liner) and a guarantee not to touch that defender. The Isles don't lose anything and they have to take on about $12M in salary just to reach the projected $48M floor. Not like anybody is going to willingly sign there.

thats an interesting thought.

Ya, that is a fair thought. As long as we aren't giving up someone we will actually get use out of this year. I understand everyone's desire to get rid of Kuba, IF both rundblad and Cowen are ready out of camp, we can sit Kuba out, we don't have cap restraints. Also, injuries do happen, and if he plays, and plays even decent, someone may want him at the deadline even for playoff depth.
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0 #78 -zs 2011-06-20 09:53
Quoting KK65:
Quoting -zs:
It actually helps both teams a lot. They have a lot of great up and coming wingers already playing. With the free acquisition of Grabner last year, that is now one additional spot taken up in their top 6.

This allows the Islanders to either take 2 elite D. Or take one elite D and one elite C prospect to go behind Tavares (unless they think Bailey will continue to rise to be an elite 2nd line C, but I don't)

Rundblad won't be part of any deal, they would have been much more hush about this if it were the case....which leads me to believe that this deal will not be something major.


I didn't say include Rundblad, I said a "Rundblad type deal" Aka a deal where you trade this years pick for last years pick in a similar position.
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+2 #79 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-06-20 09:55
Quoting Mitchell:
I think Peter Regin can take the first line Left Wing spot because of the way he played. Way before he was given his new role with Cory Clouston's Defensive Strategy. His a goal scorer and we're in a rebuild, I'd give him another shot for what his done in the pass with Spezza.


I don't want to start a fight, but what makes you think that Peter Regin is a 1st line winger? I don't even think he's a 2nd line player. He's a checker in my opinion, nothing more. Doesn't have the consistency to score at the NHL level.

His best NHL season was 13 goals in 75 games. Those aren't goal scorer stats.

So try to sell me on it. Explain why you think Peter Regin is going to be a top line scoring winger in the NHL.

My opinion is that he's a depth player, nothing more.
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-1 #80 PraiseAlfie84 2011-06-20 09:55
How is 15th overall another quality first round pick? How is that going to be any different than our 21st in this draft? And I'm not sure where you're getting $3M in the first place, his cap hit $7M and if he was on LRIR making 2/3 of $7M it's not $3M. And if we took him knowing full well he's not going to play I'm not sure if our insurance would cover that, it's different in the NYR case because he's already under contract on that team. That's just speculation of course, I don't really know how that would work.

With all the picks we have in this draft already we don't need to take any sort of monster salary back to get another pick in the second half of the first round...So feel free to "rip into" me if you want to but I will put $100 down saying we won't take Drury, and if you actually think anyone is gonna take Kuba keep dreaming....
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+1 #81 -zs 2011-06-20 10:02
With all the picks we have in this draft already we don't need to take any sort of monster salary back to get another pick in the second half of the first round...So feel free to "rip into" me if you want to but I will put $100 down saying we won't take Drury, and if you actually think anyone is gonna take Kuba keep dreaming....

I agree with you PA that it wont happen. However, I do think it is worth it if they could pull off the deal.

The reference to 3M is 7.5M (drury contract) - 3.5 Kuba contract.

Everyone here is anticipating Rundblad and Cowen to be better than Kuba this year (which is fine, I agree) so essentially we would be sitting Kuba on the bench paying him 3.5M to do nothing, or we could pay Drury 7.5M to do nothing + get a 15.

Would you trade 21st and Kuba for Drury and 4th - 7th overall? Because you could probably flip 21 and 15 to NJD or CBJ for their top pick.
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+1 #82 Senut 2011-06-20 10:04
I was talking about the differences in Drury and Kuba's salaries which is approx. 3.3M. If you are saying Drury is making less, you are just fortifying my argument. There are real potential gems in the 15-21 spot, not to mention good trade bait for Murray to move up. It's different because it's SIX spots higher. Kuba is much more of an asset to any team than Drury is for obvious reasons. They also REALLY want to sign Richards. I don't really understand what your comment is getting at...It's essentially paying for a pick and getting a guy that doesn't affect us coming back. How are you even arguing against it?
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0 #83 RUSHRLZ 2011-06-20 10:04
The floor is now projected to be 9 million over where the cap originally was? How are teams some of the hurting markets going to survive this? Yikes!
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0 #84 PraiseAlfie84 2011-06-20 10:05
Quoting -zs:


I agree with you PA that it wont happen. However, I do think it is worth it if they could pull off the deal.

The reference to 3M is 7.5M (drury contract) - 3.5 Kuba contract.

Everyone here is anticipating Rundblad and Cowen to be better than Kuba this year (which is fine, I agree) so essentially we would be sitting Kuba on the bench paying him 3.5M to do nothing, or we could pay Drury 7.5M to do nothing + get a 15.

Would you trade 21st and Kuba for Drury and 4th - 7th overall? Because you could probably flip 21 and 15 to NJD or CBJ for their top pick.


Hmm that's more interesting...G etting another pick in that range would be huge, as would getting rid of Kuba, but that kind of trade would take a huge amount of finesse to pull off...I still don't like Drury's cap hit but I suppose if we're rebuilding anyways we have the space...I just can't see EM going for that...
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0 #85 Mitchell 2011-06-20 10:08
@THEBLACKTERROR

his a power forward that can dangle. he has a wrister just as hard as Regin. the fact that he can play as a checker could also give you some insurance that he won't be taken down easily. he plays big in big games take the 2009-2010 play offs. arguable one of the best players in the first round. there was much smoke about what would regin's year be like last season and obviously it was a bust. playing as a check for the ending half of the season after the first half with all the hype he had from the media can get to a player. sure 13 goals in 75 isn't the best but take a look at his playoffs stat 6 games 3 goals 1 assist. those are big games. he needs to work himself back into goal scoring form.

ps ep. 3 of senate reform is out!
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+2 #86 boom 2011-06-20 10:08
Personally, I think we should be focusing on Florida. They need to take on lots of Salary to get to the cap floor. Maybe they would want Kuba and our 6th pick for their 3rd overall?
This is assuming that Murray wants to mocw up...Landeskog?
I know alot of you are saying that nobody will take Kuba, but maybe a team that needs to add salary would...
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0 #87 PraiseAlfie84 2011-06-20 10:09
Yeah but senut, I'm just saying in this draft we probably wouldn't have to pay to get another pick with the prospects and 2nd/3rd rounder's we have...Kuba is dead weight on the bench, I agree, but no one is going to take him, and even for that extra $4M of cap relief for the NYR I just can't see that being enough for them, considering the have pretty much every forward on their team going to Arbitration/UFA ...It just doesn't make sense for us or them...
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0 #88 Mitchell 2011-06-20 10:10
@PraiseAlfie84

well pa84 it's 6 higher then our 21. no calculator needed. a 15+21 could move us higher or we could have a draft of 3 first overalls in a deep draft pool. take your pick.
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0 #89 Johne 2011-06-20 10:17
http://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun - Holland, ``We plan to be aggressive on July 1 and try to sign a defenseman or two.''
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+1 #90 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-06-20 10:19
Regin? A power forward? I think you're wayyyyyy off on this guy. He's probably the easiest forward to knock off the puck on the entire Senators roster. In fact, his season ending injury was a direct result of a pretty ordinary NHL bodycheck. He did have a strong series against Pittsburgh where he scored 3 goals in 6 games...and he followed that up by scoring 3 over the next 55. I don't think you can declare him to be a 1st line winger based on a 6 game sample. The better stat to look at is the 17 goals he has in 141 NHL regular season games. That's an average of 0.12 goals per game. Take that over 82 games, and that's about 10 goals. If that is what your 1st line LW is putting up, then you have a BAD team.

Look, I'd love it if the guy proved me wrong, but I doubt he will. Peter Regin, in my opinion, projects to be a 3rd line centre at best, and I think he's draft day trade bait.
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0 #91 Mitchell 2011-06-20 10:21
given our team do you think anyone be better.
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0 #92 Sensnation 2011-06-20 10:23
I'm of the opinion that Cameron is hired as an assistant because of his ties to Melnyk and the debt Melnyk owes him, but that is not to say he does not deserve it. If not with the Sens, he'd have gotten an assistant job somewhere else in the nhl this coming year.

I agree that at this stage of his career he has done all he can in junior and ahl and it's time for him to get the shot in the nhl he's worked for. I am glad it's as an assistant and not a head coach, his 3x failures this past year show that with stacked situations he struggles to get them to that next level.

He'll be a good apprentice under the stache, I just hope it was not forced on him, that is the main part that worries me.

The new cap numbers may indeed be a blessing for the sens and the value of a Kuba contract. Hopefully this creates a bit more value/interest in him from those bottom teams. He's a serviceable OFD for a bottom feeding team, just not one of the ones I cheer for ;)
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+1 #93 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-20 10:28
Exactly. It doesn't really matter if Cameron is hired based on Melnyk's doing or not. Who cares. Dave Cameron is a good coach, who's time has come to make the jump. I'm just glad it isn't the head coaching job. I think he'll do well under MacLean.

This is what I like about the hiring of MacLean and Cameron. It's the fact that both of these guys are ready to make the jump. MacL was ready to be a HC, and Cameron's time has come to be an assistant.
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0 #94 Johne 2011-06-20 10:29
http://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun - Holland also says he'll explore trade route this week at draft as another measure to improve defense. Other teams may need to shed $$$
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+2 #95 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-06-20 10:32
Quoting Mitchell:
given our team do you think anyone be better.


No, I do not think the Senators have anyone better, and that is exactly what the Senators problem is. They have an abundance of depth forwards, and Regin is one of them.

They have, in my opinion, 4 forwards in their organization that could play on the top 2 lines of a good NHL team.

Those players are Spezza, Alfredsson, Michalek, and Butler.

If DaCosta develops into a 2nd line C, then that's great, but at this point there's no guarantee that will happen, he needs to have a strong rookie camp and a good developmental summer. Playing between Michalek and Alfie is a good position for a young C to be in, but it remains to be seen if DaCosta can be that guy.

So Murray needs to chase a 1st line LW in the offseason, probably through a trade. Regin is not the answer.
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0 #96 RUSHRLZ 2011-06-20 10:33
Quoting Mitchell:

ps ep. 3 of senate reform is out!


Man... the NHL needs to get their heads out their asses and fix their video issues on their web site.
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0 #97 -zs 2011-06-20 10:34
Looking at it more carefully, the NYR will never make a deal like the one talked about. They really aren't in a bad position cap wise at all. Even keeping salary in for Drury and Redden (for the summer) AND signing Richards, they still stay under that 10% cushion for the summer, at which point they will have a ton of cap space for the year.

Here is the breakdown briefly:
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0 #98 -zs 2011-06-20 10:35
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Wojtek Wolski ($3.800m)
Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($3.550m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m)
Artem Anisimov ($2.000m) / Ryan Callahan ($3.000m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aase n ($1.750m)
Sean Avery ($1.937m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m) / Brian Boyle ($1.825m)
/ Brad Richards ($7.000m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
Wade Redden ($6.500m) / Tim Erixon ($1.750m)
Lee Baldwin ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

SALARY CAP: $64,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,600,000; BONUSES: $2,337,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$4,200,000
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0 #99 PraiseAlfie84 2011-06-20 10:35
OK let's just forget completely about Kuba going to NYR for a second. Let's say Ottawa takes Drury for the 1st alone? Not worth it IMO. I would however take Drury + Stepan/Callahan /Dubinsky instead of the pick...
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0 #100 -zs 2011-06-20 10:39
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
OK let's just forget completely about Kuba going to NYR for a second. Let's say Ottawa takes Drury for the 1st alone? Not worth it IMO. I would however take Drury + Stepan/Callahan/Dubinsky instead of the pick...


Completely agree, but after looking at their cap breakdown, they really aren't in bad shape at all.
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+2 #101 boom 2011-06-20 10:40
what about my Kuba to Florida trade I mentioned above. Does anyone see it as a possibility?
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0 #102 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-20 10:41
And the NYR want to sign Richards too, so you can bet you bunyons they will be looking to shed some more serious salary.
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0 #103 PraiseAlfie84 2011-06-20 10:43
Quoting boom:
what about my Kuba to Florida trade I mentioned above. Does anyone see it as a possibility?



I like the idea, there are going to be a few teams looking to reach the cap floor, if Murray could pull off something like Kuba + 21st overall for 3rd overall we would have to build a shrine out front of SBP for him...
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0 #104 Sensnation 2011-06-20 10:50
I really don't see there being many teams in cap ceiling trouble this year with it going up $5mil. That's a huge jump!
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0 #105 boom 2011-06-20 10:50
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Quoting boom:
what about my Kuba to Florida trade I mentioned above. Does anyone see it as a possibility?



I like the idea, there are going to be a few teams looking to reach the cap floor, if Murray could pull off something like Kuba + 21st overall for 3rd overall we would have to build a shrine out front of SBP for him...

That might be too much to ask, but I see them danglong the 6th plus Kuba for the 3rd...I would do that, if Florida would bite.
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0 #106 CaMo 2011-06-20 11:33
They wouldnt bite on that. There would have to be something more coming their way with kuba such a weirchoch or another decent prospect
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0 #107 Sandy 2011-06-20 13:22
Quoting Dorkiewicz:
MELNYK DOES NOT pick the coaches. He does not pick the assistants either. He can suggest things to Murray all he wants, but has said many times he does not enter into Murray's side of things.

I don't see Murray, with his immense hockey knowledge, as the type to tolerate orders from someone who is (although an owner) merely a fan.

I truly believe Melnyk's role is WAY less than a lot of fans believe. MacLean chooses his assistants and I don't see HIM as the type to take orders from Melnyk either.

Honestly, do we all have our collective heads up our asses? The reason you HIRE a GM in the first place is to make the hockey decisions.

Damn, why does this make me so angry? Melnyk does not run our team. Fuck! Arg!


I'll say one thing.... Kovalev. We all know he is not a Murray type of player... so why was he signed?
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0 #108 Sandy 2011-06-20 13:25
Quoting Johne:
http://twitter.com/Eklund - Tomorrow will be a huge day. I am hearing rumors of up to three trades early in the week. Look to Ottawa, st Louis, la kings, flyers....



Yeah his Spezza to LA rumours are up again for Doughty or not for Doughty.
Oh and if Stamkos does not sign in Tampa... he's going to the Leafs in an offer sheet.
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0 #109 Sandy 2011-06-20 13:36
Quoting Johne:
http://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun - Holland also says he'll explore trade route this week at draft as another measure to improve defense. Other teams may need to shed $$$



GONCHAR to Detroit
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0 #110 Sandy 2011-06-20 13:39
Quoting -zs:
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
OK let's just forget completely about Kuba going to NYR for a second. Let's say Ottawa takes Drury for the 1st alone? Not worth it IMO. I would however take Drury + Stepan/Callahan/Dubinsky instead of the pick...


Completely agree, but after looking at their cap breakdown, they really aren't in bad shape at all.



Not this year... but what about next year and the new CBA. These teams may lock themselves against the cap.. but who knows what happens in the new CBA?
That's when some teams are really going to have to scramble to get under the cap. Make some tough decisions. That's when re-building teams like Ottawa, Edmonton, Florida, Winnipeg.. step in and take good advantage of them.
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+1 #111 Sandy 2011-06-20 13:44
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Quoting boom:
what about my Kuba to Florida trade I mentioned above. Does anyone see it as a possibility?



I like the idea, there are going to be a few teams looking to reach the cap floor, if Murray could pull off something like Kuba + 21st overall for 3rd overall we would have to build a shrine out front of SBP for him...



They would have to include a lot more than that to move up to 3rd...
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