Le me open up today's post by saying Happy Birthday to our Captain Daniel Alfredsson!
The NHL's longest serving Captain and greatest player in franchise history turns 37 today. Each year I worry we'll start to see signs of age but he continues to produce at an elite level.
Happy Birthday Alfie...
To close out the week, I figured I'd post a few of the rumours I've come across as of late while also taking the time to address some of the other talk out there.
-One source I spoke with continues to push the idea of Teemu Selanne to Ottawa. He suggests a prospect like Cody Bass would be part of the package headed to Anaheim.
- Ottawa is still very much interested in Cam Barker. However, the Hawks no longer seem desperate to make a move. They would move Sopel if they could but even Brent Sopel has played well in Chicago this year.
- The Brian Lee situation is a strange one but it really seems as though there is a legitimate injury Lee is dealing with in the AHL. It's possible the Senators could still move him but that's obviously much more difficult with the current "lower-body" issue.
-Brian Lee, Chris Kelly and Ryan Shannon remain the most likely players to be moved.
-Very interesting rumour sent my way today. It was suggested that a couple disgruntled defenceman may be looking for a ticket out of Nashville. The names suggested were Shea Weber and Cody Franson.
Weber would be surprising but the rumour is he may want to play in Canada. Senators scouts have been following the Predators for awhile now. I can't even imagine what it would take to acquire a guy like Weber.
As always, these are just rumours.
There have been a couple strange ones out there lately not the least of which is Kovalev to Anaheim. The Ducks currently sit in last place in the Western Conference and are much more likely to unload veteran contracts rather than pick one up.
I don't think the Sheldon Souray rumour would work either. Souray has had a solid season in Edmonton and would definitely help a struggling Senators power play but his $5 million dollar price tag really doesn't fit into the Senators budget.
That's all for now. If you're looking for a place to talk Olympic Hockey, I've just set up a new blog called GOLD RUSH. Check it out...
http://www.goldrush2010.blogspot.com/
114 comments:
OH. MY. GOD. What I would do to see Shea Weber in a Senators uniform!!!
If we were to get Weber it would dramatically improve our team.
The only deal I can think of that makes sense is Kuba + Lee + 1st.
Steep price but it's about what we'd have to offer them to get him. Obviously we would also have to get Kuba to waive his NTC so this deal might have to wait till the summer when that expires. They would get a good offensive guy in Kuba + Lee who could blossom + a 1st. It might even be an overpayment without us trying to get a prospect/2nd/depth scoring forward back.
The Kovalev to Anaheim rumour started with a typo...some bonehead had a brain cramp and put Kovalev's name in his story when he meant to say Kovalchuk. The story was retracted a couple of hours later, but now seems destined to live on forever. Check back in your blog comments...someone pointed it out with a link, i think.
Volchie for Web?
I think for Weber the Sens would have to start with one of Karlsson/Cowen + 1st and go from there.
Kovie out of town...as Jason Spezza says in his commercials...Dare to dream!
I don't blame Franson and Weber for wanting out of Nashville. Nashville is not a hockey market and the only way for Nashville to attract fans is to have either Miley Cyrus or Carrie Underwood singing the National Anthems every single home game.
They better not want Fisher!
Volchenkov for Weber is interesting. I wouldn't want to lose Volchenkov personally, but that deal makes a lot of sense for Nashville.
I'd prefer Kuba + Lee. I think adding a 1st to that would be highway robbery. If a 1st was added they'd have to send something else our way.
I realize that we are going to have to give up something to get something like a Weber but why would Ottawa part with our better d-men on a weak d-corps to get a good d-man. Build around the core of good d-men to get better. Personally I think they would have to give something up in the sense of forwards and prospects to get a guy like Weber.
Cheechoo has been much better than Michalek for the last 10 games...people will soon begin to understand why he was the key to Murray's deal.
Kuba has a NTC for this year...
So unless he chooses to waive it, we may have another Wade Redden for Patrick Marleau situation.
If Ottawa wanted Weber, Kuba's name may have to be excluded.
Though if Murray managed to land Weber without giving up one of Spezza, Alfredsson, Michalek, Fisher, Phillips, or Volchenkov I'd say it was his best trade in his tenure here.
This would be a great forum if it weren't for the censored comments and delayed posting.
i don't think tha'ts highway robbery at all. i'd do kuba nad lee and a 1st in a second.
I think that if Weber wants out of tenessee its likely that any hockey market would suit him better. I think any team would do anything they could to get him and Nashville would have their phones ringing off the hook. Does weber have a NTC? I would consider dealing Karlsson in this if I were BM but we would have to send a decent contract their way, Not Fish!!!
someone posted on one of the blog post comment sections yesterday that senators scouts were at the preds vs phx game.
or maybe it wasn't here. but somethin's a cookin. shea weber is really good, just don't know how the sens can trade for him without losing key valuable pieces themselves.
sorry make that preds - jackets game. went to a shootout. also, cody franson was a healthy scratch. something really might be cooking.
from a look at his stats, cody franson seems like a late round steel to me. he was a 3rd round 79th overall pick in 2005. is 22 yrs old. lit it up for the vancouver giants after being drafted. also lit up the AHL : 76 GP-36pts (rookie yr) , 76GP-52pts (second yr). this year he has 6pts in 23 games.
i dont know, but im thinking Brian Lee for Cody Franson? anyone else have more on this guy. won't seem like a bad pick up if Brian Lee is the price. or are we sending someone from up front Nashville's way? Shannon? Kelly? I remember nashville having scoring issues to start the year, but have been doing fine for quite a while now.
SC, thoughts?
The link to what yo call you new olympic blog ain't working right. Or at least the url http://www.goldrush.blogspot.com/ is right. It takes you to an unpopulated blog entitled "The Rise and Fall of the Idea Economy"
Is that you?
ok. Weber to Ottawa is not happening. However, I like fantasizing as much as anyone.
If it did happen, it would take a HELL of a lot more than Kuba, Lee, 1st. It would either be something similar to the Kessel deal with high value futures, or for a similar scoring forward. Nashville does not need more defencemen; they are basically a defence farm; they have a blue chipper that is ready to go in Blum, and the rest of their D is young and amazing.
Spezza would potentially work, but I don't know what the NTC situation there is. Otherwise it would have to be futures based - Cowen or Karlsson, a first and two seconds...something like that. Although that's also unlikely as it would give Ottawa cap problems.
This is likely something that, if it did happen which is extremely unlikely, would not happen until the offseason.
Oh man I'd love to see Weber in a Sens uniform. I agree that Kuba and Lee should be enough for him. I'd maybe be willing to toss in the 2nd rounder we got from San Jose, or even Picard but that would probably be it.
^^Did I just see an Eklund post? Probably doing his daily harvest for rumors.
Anyway Weber:
It would be something like
Kovalev (Salary)
Karlsson/Cowen
Obrian
1st
It may seem like alot but Weber is a franchise defensemen and every team would want this guy, you have to give to get, look what the Leafs had to give for a franchise forward (although division rival).
Hopefully this isn't Carrie Underwoods doing to get Fish in Nashville! heh.
Anyone who thinks Kuba, Lee and a 1st would be enough to get Shea Weber obviously doesn't watch any Nashville games as Shea Weber is probably one of the top 5 defencemen in the game right now.
If I was Ottawa, I would give up Kuba, Campoli, Lee, our firsts for the next 2 years and our seconds.
Weber is a FRANCHISE DEFENCEMEN, the type you lock up for 15 years because every facet of his game is amazing. I would cry for days tears of joy if he somehow became a Senator.
lol, anon 1:01 is speaking realistically.
Kuba and Lee. Are you guys serious?
Weber's got 4.5 million a year for another 2 years I beleive.
Hes going to be a Team Canada stalwart for a long time, and is considered one of the best defencemen in the game.
Think of it this way. If WE had Shea Weber, would you want Kuba and Lee for him? Laughable
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I really don't want to rip apart anyone posting these trade offers, but seriously... do you guys actually think kuba and lee would be enough for weber? ...honestly?
weber... the allstar, potential olympian, for kuba, who's no slouch, but no allstar or olympian, and lee. a decent to solid prospect at best. even with or without a pick, which is a crap shoot at best. It's the old saying, if you want to get something good, you gotta give up something good.
I would send fish off for Web but would also want a 1st rounder, we can rebuild around a guy like Web
Maybe we can get some media dickhole to make his trade request public, and then lowball the hell out of Nashville.
I messed my pants as soon as you mentioned Weber coming to Ottawa. Front or back I'll never tell...ok front.
Anyone who actually thinks Weber is coming here is insane. Ottawa would have to give at least Cowen or Karlsson, another prospect, a roster player and likely a 1st....the reason is simply because EVERY team will be knocking on the door to get him and Nashville can simply put one offer against another...
Bottom line, he isn't coming here. Now Franson wouldn't be bad, he's a big boy and could likely be obtainable without breaking the bank. Imagine the future with him, Cowen, Karlsson and Volch, WOWSERS.
k guys. seriously lets not get far fetched. please and thank you. what nashville will want for weber, i don't think BM is in any way ready to give them that. ofcourse they wont ask for spezza, but still, the price will be high.
i think franson might be the guy since he was scratched too last game. although, i might be wrong since it was noted that senators scouts were there last game, so who were they looking at if franson was scratched.
i cant believe people are already naming kuba so readily. the guy has a NTC. he was more than happy to sign here. he is more than satisfied to be here. he isnt unhappy like heatley was. you can't just go to a guy and tell him to waive his no trade because the player coming back is better than him. thats insulting and rude. he just signed here this year too. it would give the organization a bad rep to pull a move like that. plus, why would nashville trade an unhappy weber (if he really is unhappy) for Kuba. give me a break. hormonal fans. gosh.
there is more chance of Murray sending Kelly/Shannon/Campoli/Picard/Lee to nashville. and i wont be surprised if its a prospect for prospect swap between Lee and Franson. by all measures, Franson seems to have an offensive upside better than Lee, everywhere i read, it says he is an effective PP QB. the guy is gangbusters massive: 6ft 5in, 214 lbs. he can pawn both picard and campoli- ALONE probably.
im saying it now, if the rumor has truth and if sens scouts were at the nashville game, then franson for lee it is.
just dont take me to the cleaners for it. please and thank you. LOL haha
You guys are out of your mind if you think Weber would be shipped out for Kuba+Lee. Even if you throw in a first it wouldn't be enough.
The guy is an elite defenseman signed on a great contract. I would be doing the happy dance if we managed to snag him.
Weber is exactly what this team needs - a bonafide #1 D-man.
I doubt that he's truly available, but if he is, they should do whatever it takes to land him - even if it means they have to part with a good player (i.e. Volchenkov or Kuba) as well as a pick and/or a lesser player (Campoli, Lee, Picard).
I can still see Souray comming to Ottawa the most possible. Then you can say goodbye to Picard Kelly and who knows what else because it was said to be a package deal maybe happening. I for one see some sort of deal happening with Edmonton, Am I the only one who can see this is really possible?
For the record (and directed mostly at Scott), Kuba played for the Czech Olympic team in 2006 when they won Bronze.
I'd also bet that he plays for them again in 2010.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Kuba has been an Olympian and probably will be again.
Just saying. :\
Does anybody disagree with sending Kovalev, Lee, Picard and a 1st for Weber and Franson?
Phaneuf for kuba kelly bass 1st ..Would be nice
Weber for Cowen Kelly Neil 2nd sj / 2nd 2011
Burns for Kuba and Kelly 2nd and young pro
Selanne Ryan for Kovalev and Lee and 1st 2010
I still think nothing is going to happen and these are some rumours that are all over the internet in the past month and dont believe any are real... all its takes is one post and the rumour mill spins ..
Send the Preds whatever they want for Websy.
Nashville is very thick on D and has always had trouble scoring. The have an older crop of fowards and don't seem to have much offencive prospects. To get Weber, the Sens would have to offer a top-6 scoring, a good prospect, and a high pick.
I'd be happy with Kovie, Foligno, 2nd for Weber, but I don't think Nashville would be :)
Portzline (Columbus) latest tweet
@Aportzline: Dispatch: The Blue Jackets have expressed interest in OTT prospect D Brian Lee. Could be part of a Filatov trade ?
Fisher for Weber+1st?
Are you wild?
So your gonna give a guy whos likely outside looking into Canada's checking line, for a guy whos likely going to be playing in ALL situations for Canada on D.
AND THEN YOUR GOING TO ASK FOR A FIRST ROUND PICK????
I haven't yet seen another post congradulating Alfredsson on his 37th birthday. C'mon guys, it's the birthday of our greatest player all time in modern franchise history and the best captain we've ever had. Instead all you can do is talk about a potential trade.
Alright then i'll do it.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ALFIE!!!!!
Hope you have many more productive years of hockey with us ahead of you, maybe even as a coach later on!!!
A toast, to you Alfie.
Maybe some of you can pretend we have Weber and then think hmmmm what would I want for a #1 defensemen. I guarantee you would be going ape shit if BM was thinking about trading away a Weber for Kuba+Lee+and a 1st.
Every time I am on this site Ottawa fans always think they can get the best players by giving up nothing. For once lets try and be realistic, so for now on pretend to be the other team first and think what you would want for a player before you try coming up with ridiculous Ottawa trades.
GO SENS GO
This is a minor point, but Filip Kuba is in fact an olympian (2006, bronze medal) and will likely be on the Czech team again in 2010.
That said I think it would take more than Kuba and Lee to get Weber. And I don't think Fisher alone gets you Weber either.
PL
Eh_Matt @2:11
Your answer is yes...Nashville.
Can some-one provide a link to this supposed Souray deal? Where did this originate from? I can't find anything on this?
Spezza for Weber MAY be a fair deal for Weber...but thats all Nashville would want from us.
yea, people here just wont stop suggesting ridiculous trades lol...which rip off other teams. um, last i checked ours was the only GM in the whole league who gets ripped on trades LOL.
for e.g: Phaneuf for Kuba, Kelly, Bass and 1st. WOW. i mean seriously? give ur head a big shake, there are rumors of Phaneuf isnt getting along in calgary, but its not like the Sutters will give him up for basically : NOTHING. Kuba is the only worthwhile piece in that trade and 1st rounder is a tossup since it wont be a top top pick.
some people just dont think. there are just too many trades being bandied about here on this blog that make no sense. none of them take into account the actual values of the players they mention in the trade. the needs of the teams trading and cap issues. people just throw trades out here. noone talks about a player's career history, what he would bring to his suggested new team how he would fit in etc. how would the new holes created with the trade be plugged.
With Lee's injury, Murray's Lee demotion to Binghamton makes sense. If he can send Lee down without risk of losing him on waivers, paying him AHL dollars instead of NHL money while he recovers...well I'm not sure the legalities of that move but it does make more sense.
best think ottawa does is dump kovalev
If Nashville made any big move there key peice they would be looking for would be an offensive player imo they were in on Kessel and if they moved a stud like Weber im suer tehy would want a first line fw as the key compenent.
I would do Fisher for Weber in a heartbeat. I love Fisher, but not that much.
That being said, there is no way Nashville will give up Weber for Fisher. No way.
A bonafide #1 d-man is a scarce commodity. I think any team is crazy to let them go cheaply. They are like a superstar forward, in that they can be the backbone of your team.
Spezza is playing poorly because he DOESN'T want to make the olympic team. He is too upset with Heatley over this summer's situation, and come the new year he will TURN IT UP.
Anon - 1:11 PM
Thats crazy overpayment. Kovy, Karlsson/Cowen, Obrian and a FIRST? Heck add in a 2nd and a 3rd why don't you....
Personally to land Weber I think it would take, someone like Karlsson/Cowen and 1st straight up.
He doesn't want to be there, hence the Sens have a little bit of an advantage, (ie: Heatley ordeal)
We need to dump Kuba/Kovy/Cheechoo in order to have a chance to get a guy like Weber, we simply don't have the cap space.
For Weber it would have to be something like Kuba, Karlsson, Lee and a first. It seems like a lot but Weber is the real deal. Ottawa might need a 2nd and a 3rd in there too. Cowen wouldn't be part of it though. It's nice to dream, isn't it?
3 way trade maybe?
Souray to Ottawa
Weber to Nashville
Spezza to Edmonton
and obviously some other depth players and picks, but these 3 would be the key players..
Just throwing it out there
Happy Birthday Alfie!!!!! You da man
Forget about sending Fish away. cmon man, were the hell are we going to get goals from. A bonafide solid Defense is all good but not if you can never score.
Hey Cassie,
Thanks for pointing that out, I'll fully admit I'd not looked into whether Kuba was an olympian or not, so i'll definitely own up to being wrong. That said, I'm sure you def understood what I was getting at. Either way, thanks for the e-etiquette :P hah most people woulda flamed me and shredded me apart haha Go sens!
Start with Fisher and then Nashville knows we are serious about negociating the rights to Weber. Also, don't insult them by asking a "first" back with Weber. Remember what Chara meant for us.
Oh man the prospect of Weber in a Sens is amazing!!
BNJ
uh.. that is certainly an interesting blog you got there chirpie?! site is blank with a economy title?
disappointed to not see too many birthday wishes to our heart and soul of our team............ c'mon
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ALFIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
Sorry bout that folks!
The link is fixed now...
Happy b-day Alfie. We should definitely try for Weber or Barker. We already have enough forwards, and it's only a matter of time before Spezz and Kovalev start lighting it up.
Anon 3:29 PM
here is where i found out about Edmontton shopping Souray around
http://my.thescore.com/nhlrumours/archive/2009/12/06/weekend-notebook-rangers-have-demitra-interest-oilers-could-move-souray.aspx?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NhlRumours+%28NHL+Rumours%29
Franson is going to be a beast and if I was Ottawa and found out he wanted out of Nashville, I would definetely try to get him. I would give Lee, One of Shannon/Picard/Kelly and SJ 2nd rounder for him. If they asked you for some reason to sweeten the deal, I would throw in Bass.
He is huge and has mega offensive upside and would add to an already potential great blue line and it would probably be Murray's best trade IMO
I haven't read all the comments...
but any deal for Weber would have to start with Karlsson or Cowen. I would rather keep Cowen if I had to choose between him and Erik...Obviously I'd prefer to build around them both, but for Weber, I'd be willing to give up Karlsson.
The problem is, Nashville would also want a scoring forward in return, and of those that we have, only Kovalev and Cheechoo would be guys I want to part with. No way nashville accepts them.
you guys are retarded... cowan can be an unreal d man in the NHL.. a fanchise d. in 3 years himand Karlsson will be our number 2 pairing behind phillips and volch. and kuna will be gone along with picard and campoli.. i find it terrible ur willing to get rid of karlsson or cowan. at 19 and 18 years old respectively. disraceful
Happy B-day AFLIIIIEEE!!!!!
God doesn't age. Alfie just pretends to have birthdays.
Where can I get a Milan Michalek/Kovalev/Cheechoo Sens T-shirt (25 bucks ish)???????????????????????????????????????????????????
Remember the only way Weber is being traded is if he wants out. That means they will not be dealing from a position of strength. Despite the fact that plenty will go after him.
Kuba = 40+ points D-man
Lee = Potential = Top 10 Pick
1st = 15th-20th
You can't give much more than that if you're Ottawa. Realistically I expect it to be Karlsson or Cowen included in the deal rather than Lee because they are probably worth more right now. It won't be a much different structure than that. Maybe toss in Zubov as a throw-in.
Frankly I doubt Shea Weber will ever be traded. It would be insane for Nashville to do so.
I think the real trade to go for with Minny is Havlat while his value is low. He's worth 5M for sure.
Kovalev + X
For
Havlat
Kovalev gives them probably similar production and improves their PP. They get out from a contract they may now be nervous about with Havlat not perfoming up to expectations in Minny.
If we could get him for a reasonable price its worth a shot. Not sure if he has the NTC.
I gotta get this Xmas List going....Where can someone get a Michalek Sens T shirt, can't find them anywhere!!!!!!!
Chris K are you out of your mind?! So Ottawa loses Spezza, and doesn't get the better player?! Are you an Oilers fan? The net of that for Ottawa is Spezza for Souray and for EDM Souray for Weber. I don't think so.
Trading Spezza is just stupid.. where do you get a first line centre? They don't grow on trees....
Brian Murray is the GM... not Muckler.. I don't think he is going to trade away the blue chip prospects for anybody. ( ie Cowan or Karlsson) As far as trading Volchenkov... forget it.
Trade Kovalev?? I would go with that. Trade Kuba?? no... he took less money to stay in Ottawa -- he wants to be here and most nights he is a good defenseman.
Weber would be good in Ottawa -- but to sacrifice our future (ie picks or Cowan/Karlsson) not worth it. We are living in that situation now ...with how John Muckler handled picks and prospects.. and left Bingo with nothing... that's why the Sens fell from the elite team they did, when there was nothing from the farm club coming in to fill spots vacated from players that left.
Happy Birthday... Alfie....
you can get them at pro hockey life .. 29.99 each. red and a few black
Anon 4:25, if anything Kovalev, Karlsson, O'Brien and a 1st is an underpayment. Two of those pieces are basically garbage (Kovalev and O'Brien), so the deal ends up being what you offered which wouldn't be nearly enough to land Weber. The Heatley trade has no relevance. Weber doesn't want to be in Nashville (if the rumour is true), Heatley didn't want to be anywhere but in 3 cities? Very different. Even if Weber limits it to 6 Canadian teams we would be in a huge bidding war with 3-4 other teams who would be desperate to land a player of his calibre.
There isn't much I wouldn't trade right now to get Weber, maybe Michalek, anyone else is available to land him including picks. He's a true #1 defenseman. If he came here he would be the best defenseman we've ever had behind only Chara and maybe Lance Pitlick ;)
pro hockey life has em, i work there.. michalek. wat size?
Anon 6:35, you missed the best part about Chris K's deal, somehow after all is said and done Weber ends up in Nashville lol
Trade for Filatov? Are you crazy? Who wants a disgruntled Russian who if doesn't get his own way.. will head back to KHL.. no way.
Kovalev for Havlat.. boy I'd do that in a minute. I'd love to have Marty back.. he had such chemistry with Spezza a few years ago.
Havlat.. Spezza.. Michalek = pure magic...
Havlat by the way has 2g 9a and -17 in 22 games. Possibly playing hurt. So he's basically looking like a bust for them. A swap of under performing players allows them to escape a contract they may now be quite afraid of. It's not like he's playing a top line role over there at the moment.
I feel it's worth the gamble to get a younger game-breaker back. They escape a UFA and get to gambol again in a summer or two. We get a guy back who was good for a long time while he was here.
What do you guys think? Can it be done?
Chris K you're a moron!!! How do you figure it's a 3 way when Weber starts and ends up in Nashville? I think everyone got a little dumber by reading your post.
6:19
I saw one a Sports Experts in Bayshore.
chris k why would nashville get weber in your deal? thats like ottawa trading for spezza
Anon 6:02 it's not "getting rid" of Karlsson if Weber is what's coming back. You have to give to get and Karlsson is an asset, as is Weber. The deal imo would have to start with Karlsson and Kuba and work from there.
chris k is notoriously bad at trade proposals. I remember last week he made a terrible one that everyone chewed him out for and then came back and said he was joking. I bet he does the same thing here.
any way we could get Boyes from the Blues?
Regarding Weber coming to Ottawa via trade, I see some people here mentioning him as a franchise defenseman, but if you want something good, you gotta give something good up. Would you trade Michalek + Karlsson + draft pick? I'm not sure I would but Nashville might be looking for something like that, not to say anything of a bidding war.
I'd love to see him in Ottawa too, but barring the Nashville GM being an idiot (something you can never discount) it would take something really good to get him here.
ive been thinking about chris k's deal and could only think of one small tweak to make it more realistic. souray to edmonton, weber to nashville and spezza to ottawa. i think theyll all fit in well with their new teams
wow. i mean weber is a beast. but i dont get the over-hormonal fans here who just want to trade for him so badly. and will give away anything and everything from the current roster to get him :O!!! haha
spezza for weber. so, um, who will be the top line centreman? chirs disappearing-kelly? or fisher for weber.....again giving up valuable scoring for a defenseman. just mindless trades and people keep spewing them like shit during diarrhea.
franson is the key. murray has no known history of trading away prospects. otherwise he would have shipped out zubov. honestly, weber is great, but cowen might be a second showing of chara, and karlsson truly has magical upside offensively. i say a RESOUNDING NO to a trade for weber. unless nashville does it for Kelly+shannon+picard+campoli. then yea. but ofcourse, Nashville are not idiots. Franson is the key guy, he is younger, he is still developing and he fits much better in plans moving ahead. we don't need to get fancy by going after weber, that only gives us cap trouble moving forward in 2 years.
btw, BeJamin, if the kovalev for havlat rumor has even a iota of truth to it, i hope BM goes for it. Havlat was BOMB for ottawa, and never wanted to leave, except for that prick Muckler who personally ran him out of town. That summer a really good team got disrupted with chara and havlat both leaving. and with havlat, our scoring woes will DISAPPEAR. but the way bob gainey and chuck fletcher have been sleeping together and making trades, im sure mtl will have a say before havlat gets traded anywhere. which means ....BM will get bullied again. lol
honestly guys. get off the weber bandwagon and think clearly. in any case, ottawa will have to give up a lot for weber. and trading top prospects has never been good for any team. these days most top prospects turn up on their potential and it usually comes back to bite their drafting team bad.
if anybody is wondering what kind of deal it would take to get a guy like weber look to some other deals that have happened. most notably pronger.
phi- pronger
- dingle(random throw in)
ana- lupul
- sbisa
- 2 first round picks and a conditional 3rd
so ya kuba, lee and a 1st definitly not enough that being said we definitly have the pieces to pull off a deal the question is is BM willing to give up that much.
I agree that minnesota is probably looking to shake things up right now and they have some good pieces there. I like the Havlat for kovalev + kelly or shannon or something like that. However, that long contract ties ottawa's hands for a long time. Still, it would be awesome to get Havlat back.
I also think they would love to have local boy Lee on their team. Could use him and another D like Kuba (waived NTC) and a 1st to pry Burns out of there.
Come on guys get real. We don't have anywhere near the right players to pull off that kind of deal. Franson is probably much more realistic hell even Filatov has a better chance of coming here.
For a Weber deal to work Nashville would want a good defense man coming back. They'd want at least one good forward and a good prospect or high draft choice at least. Edmonton is about the only team I know that could pull off that deal and actually be better for it.
philly was able to do that because they have prospects coming up in giroux and van-riemsdyk coming up through their system. plus they already are loaded up front with briere, carter, richards and hartnell. and philly has a deep defense core too. so they could accomodate that move.
ottawa doesnt have that luxury. we have only one top line centreman and he is already playing and slumping. after him, its pretty bleak. noone coming up the system and noone on the team to carry the load.
unless ottawa can get away with giving less and stealing weber, it is highly impossibly because David Poile might just be the smartest GM around at running a playoff team year in year out.
honestly, it would be a stupid move for BM to go after weber. with an already depleted stash of prospects thats only starting to stack again, there is no point in trading away the future. the front end prospects on this team are just not there. and there is just about enough defenseman who are all coming up soon. so it will need to get restocked again. trading for weber means that atleast one 1st rounder will have to go nashville's way regardless because Murray would not want to part with Spezza and Michalek.
no need to get hasty and crazy. franson is the guy he should go after. and then pair him and karlsson up and let it rip. franson has a bomb shot from the blueline. save money, get results, stay under the cap, keep the current bunch of forwards together and enjoy the wins.
First off for the trade. I see it as something similar to what others have said. Something like Karlsson + Kuba + 1st. But doesn't really make sense for Nashville, as they need young prospect forwards, which Ottawa doesn't have. I think that's the fair trade for Weber, but also one Ottawa really shouldn't be doing.
Second Havlat for Kovalev is prob a good trade in the end, for both teams. Havlat is a scary contract in terms of years, simply due to number of games played per year. Kovalev's contract is at least done after next year.
With the new D prospects coming up with there 3 year entry deals (Karlsson/Cowen/Wiercioch) and Carkner for the next two at 0.70 Cap on the D side will be crazy low. Once these contracts expire, unfortunately Alfy will be retired (some may be crying right now) and Cheechoo expired, the cap room will be opened to sign those D prospects to larger contracts.
So even tho I see Havlat's contract a little long term scary, I think the Sens, if capable should jump on a deal of that sort.
Really...everyone is sniffing large quantities of glue.
It's nice to dream, but if you're lucky you wake up at some point.
PLEASE GET HAVLAT!!!
I'm with BeJamin. I wanted Havlat back and picked up Floatalev over the summer.
Kovalev + Shannon for Havlat.
I know it won't happen, but it would be nice.
Why would Nashville be interested in Karlsson? They are stacked with defensive prospects including Ryan Ellis, who is a virtual carbon copy of Karlsson, skill/potential wise.
For the most part most of you are over paying for Weber.
He is on par for 45 ish points, and you are offering up 2 prospects that will likely be able to rival this in the years to come, Kuba, who already is a 40 point D-Man, 1st round picks. SHEESH! AND, he is a RFA already making 4.5 M come 11/12!
I realize the guy can score goals (actually he is on par for 16), but there is no way he is worth Karlsson or Cowen.
If he is unhappy in Nashville, great, it means we might win the trade, but in my opinion, teams will over pay for this guy.
I personally would offer a huge swap:
Kuba, Kovalev, Lee, Regin and a 2nd for Weber, Franson, Ward.
IMO that is pretty fair (I would consider including a 1st instead), especially if he is unhappy.
Nashville would take on 2.4 M more that they could easily afford.
Realistically, it won't happen. A more likely trade scenario would be for Souray.
Souray, O'Sullivan for Kovalev, Kuba, Lee. (maybe that SJ 2nd)
The salary would be very balanced, and IMO a much easier trade to pull off.
I would then trade Kelly, Campoli, Shannon for Jusi Joikenen.
Fisher Spezza O'Sullivan
Michalek Joikenen Alfredsson
Foligno, Winchester, Cheechoo
Ruutu, Regin, Neil
Souray, Volchenkov
Phillips, Karlsson
Carkner, Picard
I'm liking the idea of getting Franson more and more though...
No offense Benjamin, but I think you are really overrating our players. Kuba is an average defencemen at best,and I can't imagine our prospects being thought of overly high throughout the league. There is absolutely no way either the Predators or the Oilers make that trade.
To me, I think you would have to trade whatever it takes to get Weber -- d-men like that NEVER come around, which makes me feel bad for even discussing the potential...there is no way Nashville is trading him.
I actually think Souray would be pretty amazing here. When he is going he is one of the best point men in the business. But I doubt the cap hit would work -- if we could only get Kuba to waive his NTC...damn you Murray for giving him that;)
Unless this is a 3 team deal, I don't see how Ottawa could aquire Webber. Nashville needs scoring Ottawa's only real prospects are on defense. Ottawa can't really part with any forwards on thier roster without creating more problems. To though posters who talked down Webber, his point total is higher than Kuba and he has the physical edge Volchie has, he is the complete defencemen this team lacks. If Murray could reasonabley acquire him it would help the team but paying a Pronger price isn't the way to go.
I agree mikep,
I was talking about this with a friend and we agreed Ottawa just doesn't have the pieces to get a deal like this done.
Plus, if Weber was indeed available, teams would be lining up for his services.
Weber is worth more than Spezza by a ton. He's a bonafide #1 defenseman, top 10 in the league. And he wants to play in Canada? What more could we possibly ask for? I would trade anything other than our 1st round picks for this guy.
What about Phaneuf? It's no longer whispering, it's shouting over there in cowtown.
Two #1 defensemen up for grabs? Hopefully we can get in on some of the action.
Never know about Souray, maybe the oil would take kovy off our hands. At least they wouldn't have to worry about him running to montreal every time he had 3 hours of free time.
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BeJamin: You say Kovalev + X for Havlat because Kovy could go help Minnisota's PP? Kind of like he's helped ours??
I think its clear at this point that the PP specialist in Montreal was Markov...
As for the Weber thing: The only piece Nashville would want, and the only player we know would be fair is Spezza|Weber and we know that that can't and won't happen. There are not a whole lot of 1st line centerman out there and BM is not dumb enough to let the only one we have go.
You guys need to be a bit more realistic in your trade scenarios. My prediction is that there will be no significant trades for Ottawa until the trade deadline, and that's only IF Ottawa is in a good position to make the playoffs.
Other than that, trade rumours and trade scenarios are a waste of time.
Nashville is not looking for picks or prospects. They want scoring and they want it now. Which basically means all we have to offer is Spezza, Alfie (NTC), Michalek (just got him so unlikely) and maybe Fish (NTC I believe). Oh, and I forgot, Kovalev. Looks like it would have to be Spezza if anything. But let's not kid ourselves, Nashville would not be interested in taking on that much salary considering the season he's having. The Flames... could be. They have had interest in Spez in the past. I would think they'd have to sweeten their end of the deal considering phanny's rep as a shit-disturber.
But I sure would like for us to get our hands on one of those two.
Hemsky is out for the season. Edmonton needs a boost to their offense and for D, they already have Smid, Visnovsky and Grebeshkov with more points than Souray.
Kovalev > O'Sullivan
Kuba < Souray (even though Kuba has more points)
And we throw in Lee + a draft pick.
Back to Weber...
The guy is good, but isn't even on par to match his totals from last year (On a much better team this year), and will realistically only but up maybe 10 more points than Kuba.
I realize now, after getting some sleep, that I would probably throw a little more into the mix to get Weber, so...
Kuba, Kovalev, Cowen, Regin, and two 2nd round picks for Weber, Franson and Ward.
Then I would try to swing that Lee and a first trade for Filatov that is floating around.
Praise Alfie!!!
Cowen isn't going anywhere. Karlsson would be the only one that could go, in a package with Kuba and some other stuff for Weber. Ottawa just doesn't have what Nashville wants, so it won't happen. Also, the Kovalev for Havlat situation is risky. Kovalev only has 1 more year after this then we are free from that mess. What if Havlat keeps getting injured? Then we are stuck with him for years to come.
Benjamin:
You should be black listed for the crap you're spewing on here. In fact, that kind of mental delusion should get you black listed from talking about the NHL altogether.
Before I realized that you existed, I thought something was wrong with BeJamin. That maybe he suffered a massive head injury or something.
If I a was BeJamin, I would be pissed that your retarded posts create a certain confusion with his usual intelligent comments.
How frustrating it must be.
In conclusion: Stop posting will ya?
Alrighty then.
Hey Mat, free country.
What is your problem exactly?
I actually talk to the Sens on a regular basis, and know people within the organization.
I really don't understand why you appear to of taken offense to anything I said.
It was a proposal, in which my no means did you have any constructive input, what have you even contributed?
Spezza for Weber? AS IF! Weber isnt even on par for 45 points, do some research.
Benjamin:
Look, I'm sure you're a nice guy and all. But as I have stated many times before, these fantasy trades you and others post are ridiculous and a huge waste of time.
In this thread alone, you suggested:
"Kuba, Kovalev, Lee, Regin and a 2nd for Weber, Franson, Ward.
Souray, O'Sullivan for Kovalev, Kuba, Lee. (maybe that SJ 2nd)
I would then trade Kelly, Campoli, Shannon for Jusi Joikenen."
Later you also suggested:
"Kuba, Kovalev, Cowen, Regin, and two 2nd round picks for Weber, Franson and Ward.
Then I would try to swing that Lee and a first trade for Filatov that is floating around."
C'mon man! I don't know where you find the time to dream up these ridiculous trade scenarios and I sure as shit am not going to spend precious minutes explaining why this is all a waste of time for you and everyone, so the point of my post was just to tell you to stop. That's it, just stop.
I consider this site a place for serious hockey talk on the Sens. Your fantasy posts, where you propose to trade half the team, does absolutely nothing to contribute to that.
And you state that you talk to members of the organizationon on a regular basis? Players is it? Management? Maybe that you have inside information? (whatever) I bet they'd be real happy to know you propose to trade half the current roster for other players...
PS: As for the Spezza|Weber thing, it's never about the points when you compare defense and offense, it's about the value of the players for the team.
Top tier defensmen are worth as much as top offensive players in the league (except maybe a handful of superstars of which Spezza is not part of) even if they don't put up the same amount of points. Look at the likes of Pronger, Lidstrom, Markov, Gonchar, Kaberle, Niedermayer, Bouwmeester, Boyle, etc. They all fetch top dollars without putting up 70|80+ points.
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