Lee has missed the last couple games with the Binghamton Senators. At first it was believed he had the flu but Bingo bench boss Don Nachbaur said after their game the other night that it's an injury and not the flu. The whole thing seems pretty strange to me.
Over the weekend I had a couple different rumours sent my way on Lee. As always they are just rumours but here is a look at what people are saying...
-The first suggested that there may soon be or already is a deal in principle involving Lee. The deal would apparently be for Cam Barker in Chicago.
MY TAKE: This one has been talked about for awhile now and would really be a solid deal if the Senators could get it done. The speculation is that Lee would go to Chicago along with an expiring contract to help the Hawks cap situation. Barker is still young but has become a little bit expendable on a deep Hawks blueline.
I still think the Hawks would rather move Sopel if they could find a taker.
-The second rumour has to do with the Carolina Hurricanes. They apparently like Brian Lee and are looking to move a veteran like Aaron Ward.
MY TAKE: This better be "plan b" if Murray really is considering this move. Ward is a good veteran defenceman but not what the Senators need right now. Ottawa needs a guy that can play the power play. If Barker is indeed available he is the guy Ottawa should be going after.
As I mentioned yesterday, I've just had a picture sent my way that shows the new jersey design apparently being considered. I am by no means on top of all this jersey stuff so if this has been shown somewhere else go ahead and let me know.
Just the rumoured design at this point obviously...
What do ya think?
139 comments:
Yeah we definetely don't need another shutdown dman, although Ward being a local boy I'm not surprised that Murray is taking a look at him.
Barker would be great but you would think this deal would have already gone down if it were true?
The Jersey's look ok, I prefered the other "O" black jersey that was rumoured last year though.
Barker for Lee would be Murray's best deal in his time as GM. GET IT DONE.
Those jersey's / the entire get up are terrible, seriously - this isn't the OHL, we already have to cringe at the 67's uniforms.
I find the jersey looks too similar to the 67's... but could be just me...
Hopefully that Barker deal goes down!
No rumours with Columbus Chirp?
I've heard about a Washington deal that i've posted on my website . . just wanted to know if you've heard any similar rumour involving Washington.
Columbus still makes sense because they could use defensive help.
These were just the two 'new' rumours that came up over the weekend.
Haven't heard anything about Washington though.
Ok so I buy 2 Sens jerseys in the last 5 years and both are history? What a joke!
Just a rumoured design.
And like someone mentioned the other day it could be something that is just used once as a heritage jersey.
Chirp,
Any word on what Lee said/did/thought that made him a) get benched b) get demoted c) get traded?
Cheers,
P
That jersey ranks up there with Montreal's recent Blue-Red-White barber pole jerseys in terms of wanting to gouge your eyes out.
If they want to do something retro I'd suggest going back to the 2D logo. But that's just me because I like that logo.
If Bryan Murray trades Brian Lee for Aaron Ward, he loses all credibility in my mind. Aaron Ward is a 36 year old mediocre at best defenceman on a bad team. He's -14 this season and his best days are well in the rearview mirror. He's at best a 5th or 6th defenceman. He would not be any help to the powerplay. At this point, the difference between him and Lee would be negligible. However, Lee has room to grow. Awful trade.
If he lands Barker for Lee and a throw in, I think that's a solid trade for both teams. Sens get a top 4 guy who can play on the powerplay. Chicago gets a prospect who for whatever reason has worn out his welcome in Ottawa and an expiring contract.
Think the jersey is pretty cool. Wouldn't mind to see them wear it for a couple of games.
My hopes were that the Sens would play for .500 in Leclaire's absence to at least stay within playoff reach.
They are 2-4-1 since the injury (or 3-4-1 if you include the game against WSH when Leclaire got injured while not playing).
This is not ideal and the next few games will determine which direction that goes. A couple of wins and were at .500. A couple of losses and it's not looking good.
Let's hope that the Sens can build off the win.
I like the 3rd jersey. I was afraid it would be too barber pole.
PL
Just a correction. Lee actually has played since he was demoted. I was at the game here in Toronto last week and he was dressed.
How do we fit Barkers' contract in? He makes 3 million and Lee and an expiring contract don't seem to add up. Checked out nhlnumbers.com and I can't figure it out. Could there be alot more bodies to this?
Thanks for the update
J-Rock
I would prefer if the Sens could obtain Cam Barker instead of Aaron Ward. I'm not crazy about the rumoured new jersey. I still prefer the black Sens jersey.
To Anon at 12:19 PM,
Thanks for that. Correction made.
that is the seocnd uglest jersy i have ever seen second only the st louis one with the trumpets on it..... if that becomes a jersy i will buy one and then burn it.
The Sens are allowed to be a certain percentage over the cap. And if I had to guess, it's likely there will be more then 1 player involved in any trade.
Personally I LOVE the design, the reason it looks like a 67's jersey is because their jersey was inspired by the Original Senators jerseys.
This one reminds me of the Silver Seven Senators Jersey, I really hope this get's made! (I think that most likely it will be a Winter Classic jersey)
That jersey is ugly. Old 92 jersey in black still the best they had. Ward would be a waste on this team. Barker would be sweet, maybe kelly going with Lee? Winchester could replace kelly i think.
Phillips-Volchenkov
Kuba-Karlsson
Carkner-Barker
Then what happens to Picard & Campoli?
I like the O concept, but it looked about a thousand times better in that black heritage version you posted a link to a while back, chirp. Wouldn't you agree?
do the Barker trade, Lee would just be lost in the shuffle in the coming years with Cowen Wiercoch and Karlsson coming into their own. Still prefer the Black "O" jersey this one would be better without the black shoulders just a solid red with the O logo
Anon 12:29pm:
Picard or campoli will definitely be traded for a forward. Players like Cheechoo Winchester and shannon arent really producing.
Giving out a 2 for 1 trade would work wonders for the senators. We need some cap space for Free Agency next year and we beef up our offensive department and have deeper lines.
I am curious though, what do you think SC?
Go Sens Go!
I think that jersey is awesome. You have to think of it as less of a cartoon, and more how it would translate into real.
We'd look like no one else in the league, it has the vintage barber pole look, but not too, too crazy.
Anon 12:29
I think (correct me if Im wrong) that both Campoli and Picard are expiring contracts, and would be most likely what is moved to Chicago to fill Barker's spot for the rest of the year at low cap, and then not resigned in the offseason
Its the only thing that makes sense to me (remember Campoli only makes about 875k and could be the #6 man in Chicago)
That said, if we could swing Lee and Campy for Barker, it would be a steal, however Im not sure how it works cap-wise for us
I don't like the jersey. Bring back the original white with the 2-D logo.
Aaron Ward is on his last legs. That deal would be brutal.
The problem with Barker is that his contract is expensive for a guy who may be a 3 or 4 guy at best. Brian Lee is a better asset because he is cheap.
If we pick up Barker, you can kiss Volchenkov goodbye. How can we fit Kuba ($3.7), Phillips ($3.5), Barker ($3), Volch (???), Carkner ($0.7) and then still have room for Karlsson, Cowen and Wiercoch.
What about Picard and Campoli? I think that if Murray trades for a d-man, it has to be a #1 stud, or forget it. We have enough "bottom 4" guys.
i don't see barker as part of the back end
I could see Lee being traded for a player like Brouwer - we get a potential big winger, the hawks keep lee in the ahl for the rest of this season (giving them the asset to trade barker in the off season.
I for one think the jersey looks good.. I like it.. How ever a few tweaks to it might make it a little more popular of a jersey....
replace the red with black and black with red then those would be some pretty fany lookin jerseys if you ask me. As for the cam barker rumor goes, GET IT DONE ALREADY BM!!!
Just took a look at the numbers. Campoli actually only makes 663k or somehting equally ridiculously small. Picard makes 800k. Assuming its him that goes, with lee, and we send Keller back to the 'A", plus the 500k we have in cap room,
that gives us about 2 mil in cap
Barker's hit is 3
I just dont see how it works, though I too am a big fan of Barkers.
like the jersey. anything's better than that silly "SENS" rag they have now.
wouldn't mind seeing the barker trade happen, but i'd say we're still a ray whitney or an andrew brunette (and a healthy leclaire) away in scoring depth from having any kind of outside shot.
I wouldnt like it if we inevitably took Barker over Volchenkov, but in all honesty I dont think thats happening.
To say if we get Barker, its bye bye Volchenkov is a little shortsighted. Lots can change, Volchenkov could turn into a deadline deal however if this actually happens. Which may not be a bad thing at all, although I like Volch alot.
that jersey is siiiiiiiiiiiiiiick!!!!!! minus the red helmet!
Well Lee for Barker right now looks like a good deal, I'm just not so sure I want to give up on him yet. Plus Barker is making just over $3M. With Volchenkov needing a new contract and a moderate raise, I'm not so sure cap-wise it's a good deal. With Cowen pretty much a lock next season to make the roster, I'd rather see Lee be used as a package to get a young forward... Mueller or Filatov perhaps.
As for these jerseys, they are certainly better than the current 3rd jerseys we have. The only thing I would change is the colour scheme on the jersey. Swap the red and black (except keep the black shoulders). I do like the idea of a red helmet with it though.
Well Lee for Barker right now looks like a good deal, I'm just not so sure I want to give up on him yet. Plus Barker is making just over $3M. With Volchenkov needing a new contract and a moderate raise, I'm not so sure cap-wise it's a good deal. With Cowen pretty much a lock next season to make the roster, I'd rather see Lee be used as a package to get a young forward... Mueller or Filatov perhaps.
As for these jerseys, they are certainly better than the current 3rd jerseys we have. The only thing I would change is the colour scheme on the jersey. Swap the red and black (except keep the black shoulders). I do like the idea of a red helmet with it though.
the jersey file is "Newvintage10.10.10" did you name that chirp? does that mean that the jersey will be released next october 10?
Any chance the Hawks would be willing to part with Dustin Byfuglien? I would love to have him.
Aaron Ward is good, no question. but the senators already have phillips who plays a pretty similar style to Ward.
If Lee + expiring contract for Barker it is. then go for it man. would be a steal for sure. however, who is the senators expiring contract really? volchenkov? dono? shannon? i hope Murray is not trading volchenkov. that would be just stupid. my bet is shannon+lee for barker probably. shannon is affordable at 600,000. Lee earns 850,000. compared to the salary chicago is sending back: 3.5 million.
one thing noone has mentioned on this blog though, if the sens do trade just Lee and Shannon for Barker, where will the sens create the extra 2 million and change in cap space. currently they only have 500,000 dollars and change in cap space.
the trade looks gorgeous. the numbers dont add. we are in the same position as chicago in terms of cap space. the only difference being is that we dont need to give raises to/sign anymore players that we need to keep except for volchenkov. not yet atleast
The Sens should adopt the 67's striped jersey...why are they trying to re-invent the wheel with this akward jersey. I think this is a poor attempt at the "retro" 1927 Senators jersey.
Stick Alfie on the point for the PP. He was a Dfenceman back in SWE. Get guys like Foligino, Winchester to replace Alfie as the forward working PP to work the boards.
Campoli, Kuba, Lee/Eriksson, Picard are all offensive and have the skills to run a PP...some of them lack the experience to run it effectively
I'd buy that jersey.
Barker for Lee + expiring contract sounds like a good deal to me.
BEST JERSEY EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to say, I agree with Anon 12:52. Nobody's trading us a top 2 D-man for Brian Lee, ad we have a glut of defensemen right now and, while we could obviously use a top tier defenseman, it's scoring that's missing right now. I don't really understand this Barker deal, if it happens. As much as I also like the guy, I don't see him being a number 1 defenseman for the next decade.
One more quick thing, if the Senators did trade for Barker, his cap hit would be pro-rated for the remainder of the season. That's how the numbers game could potentially work out.
Love the jersey dont care what anyone says. Getting Barker would make it alot harder for Murray to re-sign Anton in the offseason. There wouldn't be enough money going the other way. This deal will not happen.
Only way it can is if Murray sends cap hit the other way or dumps it on another team in another deal for a draft pick. Remember folks the cap is more than likely going down in the next few years.
yea...thinking deeper into it, i dont think the barker deal is any good for us in a lot of ways. i think the key cog in the whole situation is volchenkov's contract. is Murray out there to do just anything to sign this guy? or is Murray looking around and seeing teams that need shutdown help of the superior kind and thinking like a thief?
they have cowen and wiercioch or atleast one of those coming up next year. for all intents and purposes, karlsson is not going anywhere anymore, except for the WJC upcoming maybe. so, that adds to the jammed blueline corps factor, each of us can create our own permutations, but due to contracts and valuability, there are not a lot of spots empty now or in the long term.
and then as everyone is mentioning, where and how does barker's contract fit. he will push us right against OR over the cap.
not happening. not if Murray wants to keep volchenkov as a senator for longer.
Anon 12:23
No you won't.
the cap isnt gonna go down 1:30, it will increase by a slight margin or remain static.
I don't make either of these trades at this point. Trading for Ward is just poor asset management, and the way Karlsson is playing right now, we have no need for Barker and his large contract. I would trade for a young top 6 scoring winger or draft picks.
I think that Murray should try to make the Barker deal happen. Barker's pro-rated cap hit is small enough that we can fit it under the cap this year. Next year, we have some expiring contracts that will hopefully allow enough room for Volchenkov to be re-signed.
Though I'm intrigued at the suggestion that BM try to get Brouwer on board for some expiring contracts. He's a big forward that can skate and get to the net like Michalek can; he'd look good playing on the PP, and on the 3rd/4th line. Don't know who I'd move to make room though.
Barker makes 3mil. How can they fit him when they have .500cap space.
yea, getting a guy like byfuglien or eager or if Murray can, a guy like versteeg would be super.
The jersey's are awesome. The socks have to be changed though. The jersey's are WAAAYYYYY better than any going right now. Grab that for a third jersey, go back to the 2d senator for the home and away jersey's and suddenly we'd no longer be the laughing stock of the league.
Personally, I think Barker's over-rated. But it would be a good trade, depending on the owner of the expiring contract. The Aaron Ward thing is absolutely absurd. Would anyone rather have Ward than Lee?
pg
I think if we were to acquire Barker, Murray would look to move Kuba. They would be redundant together. Not sure how easy that would be since Kuba's play in his own end lately has been less than inspiring and he has a pretty hefty contract but I think there are some teams out there that are pretty desperate for dmen.
If we get Barker, Volch is traded at the deadline...
I would prefer Lee + a pick for Filatov... That way we can lock up Anton and have a great forward prospect...
Then we need to start sheding Kelly and Neil so that we can sign some more talented guys... Also trading Kovalev would be awesome...
I would like to see Murray deal with any of those two teams three deals involing Lee I would like to see get done are.
1. Lee For Barker and Ladd
Murray would be getting a top four dman and a very good forward who is physical.
2.Lee for Aaron ward and Erik Cole
Murray would be adding some grit and two vetern guys who have won the cup before.
3. Lee for Eric Fehr
Murray would be getting a very good prospect who could play in the top six and who is big who is a winger that is what the Senators need.
Another option is also with Washington Lee for David Steckel would add alot size to the Senators lineup.
That Jersey SUCKS!!!!!
Bring back the original 2-D side view gladiator PLEASE!!!!!
The jersey is very New Jersey. Not bad, but not great. It's been stated before, that if we put an "O" on the front, Laugh Nation will be ruthless with their "ZERO" comments...
2D 'Senator' works best.
that jersey is ugly as hell. looks like NJ and MTL mated together. i hope this aint real. if its real, some people needs to get fired on the Senators creative team.
Anonymous hq said...
Aaron Ward is good, no question. but the senators already have phillips who plays a pretty similar style to Ward.
I do not know what Aaron Ward you are watching but living here in NC and watching him play for the canes if you could call it that. There is no way I want Ward to the Sens. He is slow and no good anymore and was being paired last season with Chara and that is what was lifting his game, sound like we heard that before. All he is doing now is taking pens as people skate by him. No thanks.
love the jersey, but hate the helmet. no red helmets! black would be better.
I really feel that Ottawa is in desperate need of a #1 defender. Someone like Niedermayer that can assist with the power play but is also stable defensively.
Clint
Barker would help this year, but either Picard or Campy would need to be traded. I would do it, use Barker this year, trade him for a real top six finisher to play on the line with Kovy and Spezza in the summer to make room for Cowen in the roster. And re-sign Volchie of course.
Next Year:
Mich/Fish/Alphie
Top6/Spezz/Kovy
All Those Other Guys for 3rg & 4th
Phil/Volch
Kuba/Karlesson
Cark/Cowen
Edit:
I agree with everyone who wanted the 2D gladiator. It's awesome and classy. Bring that back please.
We play teams that are complete garbage in the next week. Montreal are small and pathetic. Toronto and Montreal are bottom feeders.
If we can't beat every one of those teams handily, not only should Murray go, but the entire franchise should fold and move to Portland. We're much better than Toronto, Carolina and Montreal.
As for the jersey, we'll be the butt of endless jokes if we put a zero on the front of our jerseys. Just go back to the parliament logo, it represents Ottawa and was super snazzy.
I’m so disappointed with Murrays last trade I think he could of got a draft pick along with Brain Lee deal for that dumpy wearing our teams new jersey.
I don't think that Cowen will crack the roster next year, I think he will play the year in Binghamton.
Realistically, I think that the following deals could go down:
Campoli, Kelly and a 3rd for Jussi Joikenen. (Sens drop 1.1M in salary)
Lee, Shannon, Prospect and 2nd for Barker and Brouwer. (Sens take on 4.3 M)
This would put us around the percentage we are allowed to be over the cap.
Fisher Spezza Kovalev
Michalek Joikenen Alfredsson
Foligno Winchester Brouwer
Ruutu Regin Neil
Phillips Volchenkov
Kuba Karlsson/Picard (while the Juniors is going)
Carkner Barker
RR,
Barker and Volch are polar opposites.... one is terrible offensive but great defensively and vice versa.
If we get Barker that just means one of Picard or Campoli are going since they are redundant and are expiring contracts.
-HSF
ENOUGH! Anon @ 3:03; stop spewing idiotic crap. Teams lose we can't win them all. No game is a sure win, this is the NHL not a rec league! Get a clue dude, nobody is going to lose their job over losing to a 'bottom feeder'.
I love our sens as much as the next guy, but calling for people's jobs is just ignorant.
Not one positive thing from your post, i don't get why your comment is even up here.
Yes Murray should try sign this new guy wearing our new team jersey. make up for the Heatley deal, I heared he stands around like Kovalev and he is only 2 goals behind Spezza in scoreing, and can take shots of his face with out bracking any bones.
I like the jersey but please no red helmets!! It does kinda look a little to 67's ish but still better than having SENS are your logo.
Jersey design: ick.
That's gotta be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in years.
Hate the jersey. Can you imagine the jokes - Sens are a bunch of zeros... Absolutely hate it...
You have to keep in mind, this is just a drawing of it.
I really think it would be pretty sharp as an actual jersey.
i think the jersey looks amazing, i would definitely buy one. Seems like a love it or hate it type deal eh
Rumour has it that Edmonton is shopping Souray.. yes he makes 5M, but imagine him on the SENS, taking control of our PP, that wicked shot and physical presence.. he isnt the "best" defensively, but who cares.. we need that type of guy, and I think it would be worth it to get him..
As for who we would have to give up, id say give up Spezza..
proposed trade: Spezza for Souray and Horcoff?
haha, why not?!?
The Jersey's really nice. It's just the socks that are the problem - too much stripe with the stripe already on the Jersey.
I actually really like the jersey and i hope it turns out to be more than a rumor. However i think it would look better without those two stripes at the bottom. If they just put red there instead i think it would give the jersey a more simple look and be more appealing
@ anon 4:24:
umm...because horcoff earn over 6.5Million and is always hurt.
Your trade would be:
Souray @ 5 Mill
Horcoff @ 6.5 Mill
for
Spezza @ 7 Mill (maybe 7.5)
Do you see a problem? Hey! maybe we could get Ovechkin for Brian Lee too. Cap smap!!!
@Benjamin:
Campoli, Kelly and a 3rd for Jussi Joikenen. (Sens drop 1.1M in salary)
Lee, Shannon, Prospect and 2nd for Barker and Brouwer. (Sens take on 4.3 M)
Love it, especially the first trade since it has a chance of actually happening. Everyone (myself included) are assuming that Chicago is going to be forced into relinquishing talent for next to nothing, but the first trade would benefit both teams so maybe it will happen.
@Chris K:
proposed trade: Spezza for Souray and Horcoff?
It won't happen because Horcoff sucks, and Souray is injured for most of the season every season. Spezza is good, just playing below his ability right now.
Apologize, Chris K, for proposing adding one of the worst contracts in hockey and the most injury prone of defensemen. Adding a net (approx) 3 mil onto the cap for a downgrade at center and souray? AAAH!
Chris K, I won't bother reiterating what everyone else here has said about how AWFUL your trade proposal is, but I will say how bad of an idea it is to trade a guy like Spezza. We have no hope of acquiring a #1 center of his calibre for a long time, not to mention his value is at an all time low, so trading him now would just be foolish. He is just finding his game right now and will be a great player again, so everyone drop the Spezza trade bullshit.
I'm sure that whenever a GM is about to make a trade they ask themselves the question "haha, why not?!?" Sounds like u got urself a keen business sense there buddy.
we would not get much for Spezza the way he is playing, I guessing most GMs think he is a lose with out Heatley but time will tell?
Everyone is so anxious to rid ourselves of our depth players.
All these 2 and 3 for 1s come back to bite organizations in the ass as the season progresses.
The player dumps look great in the near-term but then the team is an injury or 2 away from plugging holes with AHL caliber players.
@Nick 3:38
Well said. I couldn't have said it better myself. I am sick and tired of "Sens Fans" posting negative Nancy comments.
Move the team?!? What a complete dumbass you are ANON 3:03.
You are either A)a leaf fan, B) an irrogant fuck, or C) both
I sure hope you aren't a Sens fan, cause I would hate to be cheering for the same team as you ANON 3:03.
Go Sens Go!
Love the jersys.
Cheers,
Jonben
good point Eric
guys.. it was a joke! lol, id never make that trade!!
but i was serious about doing something to get Souray.. I think he is the kind of player the Sens need.. but it would be hard to get him..
I just like throwing stuff out there to see what people think.. good thing I'm not the GM eh? haha
That jersey's awesome. The rest is brutal. Red helmets? No thanks. But we should go for that jersey, it's awesome.
re 3rd Jersey - I just think it is someone predicting Spezza's goal scoring output for the rest of the season...
those jerseys are ok not too bad.
i dont get what is so horrible about our current 3rd jersey tho?
why do most people not like em?
it seems that a good amount of our team actually like it. and its alfies all time fav after his first jersey... so whats wrong with it?
Guys, no way is this design a "third jersey". The black SENS jersey is the third jersey and will remain as the third jersey for a while. I like it though the SENS on the front is the worst part about it. Not as bad as "BOLTS" though.
The O jersey and helmet/socks etc is a potential "throwback" uniform. And that's all. So don't get bent out of shape about it.
You could be right JustSayin.
It kinda seems to make more sense as a heritage design.
How about this for thought?? Spezza for Lecavalier?? Hearing Lecavalier may be available... We still get a number 1 center. It might get both player going
The design of the current jersey isnt bad, its the SNES in front of it. just very blah..
Another thingthats wrong with the current one is that the Sens are trying to promote "Forever Red" and all this "red" passion, but then they come out with a black jersey.. weird
I guess 3rd jersey sales have died down, so they will bring in new ones for a quick cash grab.
I like the picture above, minus the helmet, needs a few tweeks here and there, maybe add some gold somewhere, so we can mix the old with the new colours..
i would rather have spezza over lecavalier and his 11 year joke of a contract
The Aaron Ward deal would be just stupid...Lee has proven his potential, it's crazy to just dump this guy. Barker for Lee and Campoli or Picard does make sense though. I agree with the guy who mentioned that trading Kuba in the summer would make the most long term sense if this deal goes through - allowing the Sens to fit both Barker and Volchie under the cap while also creating roster space for Cowen (who would be pretty imposing paired with Carkner).
As for the jersey...it is not overly awe inspiring. I'm not too sure why Cyril Leader has such a difficult time in seeing the the vintage O logo would look perfect with an all black jersey. At a minimum as someone else suggested black should at least be the most prominent colour as opposed to red.
We should trade for Cam barker. Trade Volchenkov at the deadline for a top six forward.
Philips-Barker
Kuba-Carkner
Karlsson-Cowen
Trading Volcehnkov at the deadline would get the Sens the most in return and help round out our top 6.
Kuba has a no trade clause....
You know what I would like to see. An actual classy jersey. I think if they took the design of the black third jersey and replaced the cheesy "SENS" with the classy logo that goes on the shoulders of the current normal jerseys, that would be one of the classiest jerseys in the league. And the sens would have a classic symbol like the Canadians, Leafs, Flyers, Bruins etc. You know the logo I mean:
http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?id=156
tim
There will be a soccer-style riot at SPB if Volchenkov is traded.
FYI - Kuba's no-trade clause expires after this season.
Dealing Lee now would be a mistake. He has shown great strides this year. He's only going to get better. Think Chara big in terms of what kind of mistake this could turn out to be for our franchise. Lee for sure fits into our future when you realize Phillips will be gone 4-5 years from now or a shadow of his former self. Cowen and Karlsson by the way are not "guaranteed" to develop exactly the way we want. Campolli and Picard are average at best. Lee is already better than both of them in my opinion.
Barker can get points and is a decent PP specialist. He's also overpaid, slow, and ineffective in the defensive end. We should also factor in that Chicago is not dealing from a position of strength and badly needs to dump contracts.
I'm not giving up Lee to a team that's making a salary dump unless they add something to it that makes it worth our while. A player like Ladd comes to mind. A two for two swap where we get a couple of good young players not just the one.
I agree with you BeJamin.
I would also like to see a two for two deal Lee and somthing else going to Chicago for Barker and Ladd.
i disagree with ben jammin if we get barker for lee (who seems to be at odds with ottawa) then chicago is doing us a favour... dont get greedy and demand two
i misread that ben jammin comment two for two is fait but we’d have to give up something good to make that happen
I think they should stick it out with the D they have now, by next year Cowen COULD be ready to play and you have Wiercoch not far behind....what they dont have is a stud forward prospect...they need something to get excited about...Zack Smith is not the 'stud' either...
Instead of looking at a team going for the cup and will probably just trade during the off season. How about look at team that is struggling out of the gates and are most likely going to trade pretty soon.
How about trying to get a guy like Ruutu out of Carolina, who in my books is a top 6 forward and also physical. would look good on Fishers wing.
Hurricanes are thin on D and have 4 UFA next year.
what are your thoughts.
I think we need a #1 D-man and not a #5 or 6. Barker is not worth the money. I think we would be better off to keep Campoli or Picard at a fraction of the cost. Also it would be a big mistake to pay big bucks to Volchenkov as we would then have 3 d-man over $3M and only Kuba could be considered an all around d-man.
As of the uniforms - Yuck. They look like a boring Carolina Hurricanes jersey
It's sad to think that a few short years ago, we could have had either Kopitar or Marc Staal...or Paul Stastny even! Instead the Sens drafted Lee, and surprise! He kinda, sorta sucks alot, and is now likely to be traded...I know hindsight blah blahblah...but how do you pass up a Staal??? I'm sure I'm not the only one that saw this coming 4 years ago.
They already screwed it up with Lee. He could have been a top 4 d-man. Getting Barker would be great but the cap hit is a little too much.
We had Aaron Ward on this team not long ago. We called him Jason Smith. Before him we had Luke Richardson. Would we get Ward to force him into retirement as well?
Jokinen is the player we should be hoping for...
As for that god awful throw back jersey: Those that find it nice are probably still wearing Starter Jackets from the 80's and Reebok Pumps.. Read your girlfriends Vogue magazine once in a while.
Those jerseys are SWEEETTT!!
Ppl dont know style when they see it anymore :p
:D :D :D
-HSF
ewwww to the jersey
I think it is best to keep what we have trades are not kind to us Lee can turn it around with proper training and coaching, work with him. I am not a fan of the new design no time to change the brand logo.
I think honestly it's probably better for Ottawa to stand pat right now. The type of top six forwards we'd be after aren't likely available. That or there will be cap issues.
Lee played really well when he came up. He's only going to get better. Some D-Men take longer than others to blossom. Take Pronger who wasn't anything special until he was 25. There's a huge host of others who followed the same track. Lee has certainly made major strides in his game and his confidence to assert himself at the NHL level. We should hold onto him until he's 25-26 and do this development right.
Frankly he's better than Campolli and Picard right now. He's the victim of a two-way contract. He hasn't even played 82 games in the NHL yet in his career. How people can write him off before we actually give him a few seasons at the NHL level to show his stuff is beyond me. The guy has great speed and is 6'3 205. He puts 20 pounds on that frame and with his pace he could be downright scary to the opposition.
Barker is overpaid. His size is already there. He isn't going to get faster. He isn't going to get much better defensively. He's a PP specialist at best and a liability in his own end. I'd stay away from that especially because it could cause us to lose A-Train who is far more valuable to the team.
Also for everyone singing the same old tune about should have drafted Marc Staal. Give your heads a shake. Staal hasn't been anything special for the NYR. He's an average shutdown D-Man with minimal offensive talent. He's a reasonable player but he's nothing to get excited about. If Lee reaches his full potential he will have far and away been the better choice. They are completely different types of players by the way. One his a shut-down guy of average ability. The other is a puck mover with fast feet and the potential to be an important offensive guy when he puts on some size.
Bejamin: The one guy we could have drafted which is a shame, is Anze Kopitar. But then again, who can really predict who turns out to be a superstar in the end. Every draft year has a player in the later stages that outperforms players drafted in the top 10. That's just the name of the game.
And I'm not ready to quit on Lee just yet. But one thing we CAN quit on is that horrendous new design....
http://www.nhluniforms.com/Senators/Images/Senators01.png
The black jersey should be our alternate. Different crest if need be, but the black and red with virtually no white was epic.
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@ CT 6:31
Where did you see or hear that Kuba's NTC expires after this year???
I would like to say that Lee is not better than Picard at this moment. Campoli, yes. But Picard, no. Before he was injured Picard was #1 on this team in shots, points, and goals.
Sure he has his defensive gaffs but they're not as often as everyone thinks they are.
Lee is definitely not better than Picard right now. And Lee wasn't playing very well in the last couple games he was up. Feud with the organization or not, his play slipped the last couple games he played up here.
Louise...here you go - Kuba's NTC expires after year 1 of his new 3-year contract.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=269703&lid=sublink015&lpos=headlines_main
Louise, I don't know where anyone else heard it but I heard Brian Murray say it when he was announcing the signing to the press. It went something like this.
Dope reporter: Does Kuba have a no trace clause.
BM: He does for the first year.
i'd rather see something more similar to the one the 67s wear
i think we should just have a picture of dany heatley on it, so that we can say to him that we had planned on making him the face of the franchise.
Alright, so here is my current opinion of what the Senators need to do:
First of all, we trade Alex Picard and Brian Lee to two separate teams for 3rd Round draft picks. There are two reasons for this. First, neither Picard nor Lee fit into my plan. Secondly, because the two third rounders will be used as bargaining chips later.
The two draft picks, as well as San Jose's 2nd in 2010, are shopped in packages with Alex Kovalev, Jonathan Cheechoo, Chris Kelly, and Chris Phillips to three different teams. All in all, shedding these players frees up $15.3 million in cap space. (Kovalev 5, Cheechoo 3, Kelly 2.2, Phillips 3.5, Picard 0.8, Lee 0.8).
The three teams are Vancouver, Chicago, and St. Louis. The return is Kevin Bieksa, Patrick Sharp, and Andy McDonald. The amount of salary we take on is $12.4 million, so we have $2.9 million breathing room for additional changes at the deadline.
Chicago is strapped for cash, so the most they can take is Kelly. Sharp for Kelly saves them almost $2 million. I think they would easily go for one of the 3rd round picks, San Jose's 2nd, and Kelly for Sharp. That's a really respectable return.
Vancouver is making no secret about their will to acquire Peter Forsberg. Only, they really don't have the cap room for it, and Forsberg is still an injury concern. Trading Bieksa to us for picks gives them almost $6 million they can offer Forsberg. Or, the way I see it, Forsberg and Kovalev are similar players. Maybe Vancouver accepts Kovalev and the other 3rd rounder for Bieksa. Remember, even without Bieksa they are STACKED on D - Salo, Ehrhoff, Schneider, Edler, Mitchell, O'Brien.
In the end, the team poised to pick up the remaining pieces is St. Louis. If they trade us McDonald, they effectively have $12.3 million relief. If all went as planned, they would only take $6.5 million from us, which leaves them almost $6 million more to add. I think St. Louis would jump at Cheechoo and Phillips for McDonald.
So what does the lineup look like after all that? Well, I think it looks like a Stanley Cup winning team:
Michalek - Spezza - Alfredsson
McDonald - Fisher - Sharp
Foligno - Regin - Shannon
Ruutu - Winchester - Neil
Kuba - Bieksa
Volchenkov - Carkner
Campoli - Karlsson
This assumes that Donovan does not return, but if he does we have the cap space to fit him in easily.
I see Kevin Bieksa as a bit of a rental. Once Jared Cowen is ready (which could be next year the way he's going now) he will replace him and we can trade Bieksa for picks/prospects and relieve some cap. Similarly, Patrick Wiercioch will be able to take Campoli's spot if the latter doesn't come around soon.
If all this happened, our biggest question would be who, between Brian Elliott, Andy Chiodo, Mike Brodeur, and Chris Holt, will battle hardest and be the backup for Pascal Leclaire. That is, until Robin Lehner is ready to take the helm.
^^ All that, with about $3 million in cap space and some great youth in the fold, sounds like a pretty rosy future to me.
I still think this http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9juE3nUaNvw/SJC3aBcxcdI/AAAAAAAAACU/DrvIvNpc_Qs/s320/jersblackwf9.jpg would be the best third jersey!
Sensfanmike, it's been done: see Daigle, Alexandre.
-- PS
"Those jerseys are SWEEETTT!!
Ppl dont know style when they see it anymore :p
:D :D :D
-HSF"
Thx but if I wanna see the 67's uniform, I'll go see the 67's...
Brutal!
SM
Cassie, a lot of the senators players would disagree with you. A bunch of them were bad mouthing Picard at Crazy Horse a couple weeks back talking about how brutal he was. lol
With Neil and Dono being on LTIR, their salaries dont count against the cap, correct? thats 2.6 mil freed up for a trade for Barker.
We have the room now, it would just take some shuffling for guys to return.
Those jerseys look nothing like the 67's other than that it has two stripes and that it is the same colour patterns.
It looks alot more like the ones "back in the day".
It wouldn't kill the Senators to keep some kind of tradition around here. Changing the slogan twice each year (regular season and playoffs), changing uniforms every 5 years, even changing the announcing of the names after a home goal. They definitely need to stick with some of their ideas and run with it. At least they brought back the "pounding" sound when the Sens are set to get back on the ice.
Cassie I'm not sure what games you were watching, but I disagree big time about Lee slipping.
Also he was easily the fastest D-Man on the team. When he did make mistakes he was able to use his speed to recover from them.
I will agree with you that at the moment Picard has more offensive ability than Lee. However his gaffs do happen as often as everyone thinks. He's also quite slow to retrieve the puck in his own end. The majority of his defense leading shot and goal total comes from playing big minutes on the PP. Nonetheless that does make him a valuable guy in our lineup.
I would say overall though Lee is better defensively, Lee uses his size better, Lee skates better, and Lee has a better first pass. The reality is though Picard will stay in the lineup when he's healthy because we badly need his offensive talent on the PP.
Seriously!! A zero on the front! - we already have to endure idiotic Leaf trollers - why give them any material?
Lee definitely is injured.
Its a real upper body injury which will keep it out for a while.
Sweet jersey. Without question the best since the 2D logo. let's hope they put it out for next year and we can get rid of that embarassing "sens" thing. Then we can go back to the 2d logo instead of the pathetic cartoon thing and we'll LOOK like a respectable team once more, instead of some crappy comic strip.
CT/Allan, thanks. I just hope I didn't just buy a jersey for nothing.......
Hey chirp do you know anything about the other jerseys?
http://insidemanhockey.blogspot.com
apparently there's 3 designs!
are we seriously all a bunch of sissys here??? all of a sudden were scared of taking bad jokes from the laff nation??? common ppl grow some balls here!!! i like this jersey , but hate the helmet , tho i like the other black O jersey alot better but whatever.... the O stands for OTTAWA folks!!! id wear it with nothing but pride for my hometown!!!!!!
GO SENS GO!!!!
I agree with Anony. @ 9:48 AM... the "SENS" (or SNES) logo is more embarrasing than a zero on the front of the jersey.
Why do we need to be worried about what Leaf fans say about the jersey? "You're team is a bunch of zeros"... wow, great insult.
Seriously people, get some guts.
Who cares about jerseys, they aint gonna make us win. Players do and the ones we have aint cutting it.
We need better top 4 D, Chicago can fill that void.
We need a better top 6 forward than Shannon or Foligno.
And now we need a better Goalie but that is pointless as Leclaire should be back soon!
SM
GET SOME GUTS!! There is logic for you - why not put ballerinas on the jerseys and then be real men as we dismiss the gales of laughter from every other hockey team in the league
How about some paraphanalia associated with a Centurion (which is what we have on the jerseys - not a Senator which would be a toga)
How about a gladius (sword), pillai (spear) or a cestus (armoured glove)
Hell a Roman eagle would be better than a zero!!!
I don't see why the Sens would need a PP QB. They already have Kuba, Karlsson and Picard. The PP has been fine lately, when they get the opportunity.
I for one like the idea of getting a shut down, reliable guy like Aaron Ward. The Sens need a "rental", someone who isn't under contract for next year. They need someone solid defensively to play with Kuba so he can return to being a point producing machine.
I don't think Chicago is feeling the pressure to make a quick move like everyone says. I think they'll find better partners than the Sens to deal with.
I also disagree that the Sens need a forward. The forwards the Sens need are on IR....they'll be back soon enough. BM used the media (Ottawa Citizen) to send a message to his players that he would like them to play like the injured guys. He talked about getting a new forward, but I think really he was talking to the guys playing now.
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