Alright folks here is this week's winner. There is a lot of Bryan Murray talk on this site as of late so this rant seemed appropriate. If you'd like to see your rant featured on SensChirp send it in the sensrumours@hotmail.com
Here is what Andrew had to say...
How quickly we all forget... To go along the lines of this (last weeks) rant, shame on all of you who have thrown Bryan Murray under the bus. Maybe you should do a little research before you go spouting off.
Bryan Murray is a winner thru and thru, and knows how to build not just champions, but lasting success. Murray was the man who built the expansion Florida Panthers into a Stanley Cup contender in their first year of existence. An expansion team playing in a major championship is an unprecedented achievement in ANY professional sport.
In a lesser example, while Murray wasn't there for any of the major success, he was instrumental in taking the wreck of the Detroit Red Wings and completely changing the culture of that team.
It was but 3 seasons ago, that yes, TWO Bryan teams met in the Stanley Cup final. Ok, so yes, Burke brings in 2 obvious deadline signings and takes all the credit for a championship, but, we all know that the core of the Ducks was drafted and built pretty much single handedly by Murray.
For all the haters, It wasn't Brian Murray, who chose to let Chara walk, and who didn't want to pay Hossa what he really did deserve at that point, or who brought in Gerber, or who canned Martin or who couldn't bring this team to the promise land.
What has Bryan Murray done for the Senators? Brought Stanley Cup final play to Ontario for the first time in 40 years, and done a remarkable job of salvaging a team that could have been a disaster as a result of the salary cap.
Mark my words friends, with the core we have now, you just wait and see in a few years when these Murray draft picks come to fruition...
Am I excited now and for the future? Hell Ya. Kudos Murray, you the man!
48 comments:
So in the same rant you are praising Murray, and criticising Muckler for firing Martin so he could bring in Murray?
weird.
I agree though, the Murray bashing is ridonculous. He's doing a good job, people don't understand that this team was not in great shape (for long term success) when Muckler left despite the on-ice successes in his last season.
Losing Murray as coach compounded the issue, but was probably necessary to avoid a major rebuild.
I agree that Murray knows what he's doing, but Melnik doesn't like to lose. So you know that if Ottawa doesn't make the playoffs or has an early exit from the playoffs the knife will be pointed at Murray. He's on his thrid coach, and he's had a few years to do something which sounds stupid but Gm's and Coach's are like a revolving doors now'a'days.... He's very good at scouting talent and no doubt Ottawa is headed in the right direction with Lehner, Cowen, Pettersson....ect... But this team right now needs a bit of a shake-up... Murray makes a trade every year so theres no doubt he will make another one...
K
Yeah he makes a shit trade every year. Oh boy I can't wait for the next one.
Also what is that nonsense about not wanting to pay Hossa. He was signed to a 3 year extension right before they blindsided him and sent him to Atlanta. Such a low life move by Muckler.
It takes time to evaluate GM's. Only the past few seasons have really shown how brutal Muckler was.
The jury is going to be out on Murray for a while. He seems to have done more good than harm so far, but time will be the true measure of his accomplishments or lack thereof.
Sorry,I like the rant but the NHL today is a "what have you done for me lately?" type business.
So unless we make the playoffs this year and maybe win a round. Murray should be let go for the very facts that you point out. Yes, Murray took us to the finals, but ever since then, we fired 2 coaches, and missed the playoffs last year. The team has truly gotten worse under his tenure(not necessarily all his fault with the Heatley BS.)...
Still though, if we don't have success this year...I think Melnyk will say it's time for a change. For what it's worth,I hope I am wrong though and we are successfull at the end of the year.
Clouston will be the darkhorse in all of this, For the first time I think a coach will control the destiny of a GM. He seems to taking whatever Murray is giving him and making it work.
Go Sens Go!
So Murray gets credit for building the Ducks as GM but Muckler gets no credit for building the Sens to go to the Finals? Get your blinders off and realize the Murray has sunk this team. Why do we praise an executive that took a team from the Finals all the way to 12th place in two years?
Anon 8:45pm you're exactly the kind of short-sighted moron that annoys people with actual hockey knowledge.
What has Murray done for us lately?
Let's make a list...
He coached us to the Stanley cup finals. He got more out our team than anyone before him.
He drafted Cowen, Karlsson, Lehner, etc. He will continue to draft well and build us for the future.
He has essentially rebuilt our depleted piece of crap farm system in under 2 years at the helm.
He had the foresight to give Clouston a shot at the head coaching job and has discovered for us a very good coach.
He picked up Ryan Shannon for next to nothing.
He brought in Picard and Kuba for an underachiever in Mez.
Need I go on?
Frankly if you expect to go to the Stanley cup finals every year or be in the top 3-4 teams in the conference every single year you're an unrealistic bandwagon fan who will probably change his stripes every post-season based on "who's doing it well lately".
was he really suggesting that firing martin was a mistake? he should have been fired three years before he was.
Chirp,
It's posts like this that leave me wondering if you are on the Sens' payroll. Nothing wrong with that, but it should be disclosed if it is the case.
Ottawa has got to be the only market who is stupid enough to believe that a GM who was in charge three seasons ago is responsible for the club's current struggles.
Thankfully, it's only a few people who comment on blogs who believe this nonsense, because the truth is that attendance is falling like a rock. In other words, the fans are not drinking the Kool-Aid, even if some bloggers are.
Murray has been a failure, and the fans are letting him know it by not buying tickets.
Bryan Murray was let go by Detroit and Florida. Florida may have made it to the Finals, but they did not sustain success. They got lucky. In fact, two years after their Finals appearance, they were drafting first overall. And be the way, Murray traded away that first overall pick (Vinny Lecavaier) for Viktor Kozlov.
Murray did not even make the Finals his last year in Anaheim. Under Murray, the Ducks got rid of their franchise player in Paul Kariya. Murray wanted to build the team around Sergei Federov instead. Murray gave him 5 years at $8M a year.
Burke came in and dumped Federov. In other words, he got rid of Murray's corner stone. Burke brought in Niedermayer, Pronger, Beauchemin, and Selanne. That's the top three d-men, and the leading scorer. That's three Hall of Famers. That's three 2010 Olympians.
You add those four guys to any team today, and they become Cup contenders.
Murray was given the best line in hockey three years ago. He's now made sure that SJ has the best line in hockey.
People aren't going to the games because they are boring to watch. Murray is responsible for the product on the ice. That's why they pay him the big bucks. No amount of spin is going to change the fact that attendance will fall even more if he is back next year.
I would not say he HE took us to the finals he jumped on a moving truck, that team was on stop able, he did not make that team so take the BM blindfolds off, He has been taking the team apart for 4 years this is now his team. I stopped going to games after the Dany Heatley deal and will not go back until he is gone and if more people stayed away we can make it sooner he will be gone.
I still seem to have a hard time giving praise to Murray with the job he has done with the Senators the last couple years. The dream in my eyes no longer has the depth it used to have with guys like vermette, Eaves and Corvo just to name a few. I really enjoyed watching those players watching those guys out on the ice giving it their all, and it's those guys that you need to dig deep for you to get those dirty wins and goals for you to make the playoffs and go for a run at the cup.
Best of luck to the Sens in the near future. We got some adversity to fight throw but if we can pull this off it will only make the team stronger!!! :)
To Anon at 11:03 PM,
This post was written by a reader, not me.
I wish I was on the payroll with the Senators!
Murray hasn't sunk this team. Come the Stanley cup finals, everyone knew the team was going to drop a but due to salary cap issues. Everyone was saying that the sens needed to win while everyone was still together. Murray has done a great job considering what team he was given, and the future is extremely bright for the sens! I hope Melnyk isn't stupid enough to fire Murray like most of you are!
Go Sens Go!
any idiot with top draft picks and the talent we had here before Murray came to town should be able to make it to the playoffs. Team Murray is gonna start paying the fans to come watch there games.
This team sucks from the top down!
scheider is available.
no one needs him more than us.
power play quarterback.
Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the Party!
Chirp,
It's anon at 11:03pm. I know that you did not write the rant. My point was that you chose to post a rant that defends Murray.
I like your blog. I'm a faithful reader. But, I've noticed a pattern over the last year. You seem to be consistent in your defence of Murray and Melnyk.
On top of that, you had a link to a survey a few weeks ago that had be believing that you had some link to the Sens. I don't know that to be true, but it left me wondering if you were doing market research for the Sens.
You even had a link to Capital Tickets at some point.
In any case, if you are getting compensation of some form, good for you. But, that bias should be disclosed, to be fair. Context is important.
11:03
Just say you hate Murray, that'll be enough. Everything you say, when not put into context, is irrelevant.
Murray has been GM of Ottawa for 2, not 3 years!
Murray was Anaheim GM from 2002-2004, making the Finals in 2003. Expecting a team to make the finals each year, makes you a moron!
Murray picked up Federov after he rejected offers of 10M/year from Detroit. Has Kariya ever won the Cup?
Burke didn't bring in Neidermeyer, he wanted to play with his brother. And Pronger's wife wanted warm weather, Anahein was the only viable option.
Yes, Murray worked hard to get shitface to SJ, but just like all other years that line will fold in the playoffs.
If you find the games boring, then go do something else, but don't pretend you're a fan.
I suppose all the BM haters on here think they can do better as GMs. I bet you guys are the same people who think Columbus would trade Filatov for Lee. I bet you guys are the ones who think Shea Weber is worth Kuba and San Joses second round pick (ours is too high of a pick clearly). And I bet you guys also think young stars like Stankos are easy to find, even when the team was drafting in the 20's every year for 13 years.
What's my point you ask?! Simple, this team is a victim of it's own success. The cap came in at a brutal time and caused us to lose some key pieces (see Chara, Havlat and Hossa). We were still great, and then became average for a few years and therefore haven't been getting top 15 picks for very long, meaning no impact players are coming in. While no impact players are coming in (due to lack of a straight luck home run in the draft), we kept losing players to the dreaded cap. Suddenly the team struggles, we get a few nice picks (Cowen, Karlsson) and they are developing. When these guys become impact players suddenly you'll stop attacking BM. Can I make it any more clear?
Didn't Murray draft Kunitz, Penner, Getzlaf and Perry?
Those guys were huge in the cup year.
Ok so maybe he can draft but he can't trade worth shit. Corvo and Eaves for Stillman and Commodore was pathetic. He got ass raped in the Heatley deal. He should have forced him to play here if he couldn't get anything for the guy.
So what if Heatley wasn't happy. He's a selfish prick no matter where he is.
I like the hockey expert that doesn't judge his GM on 3 years ago. Obviously with the draft system it takes years to see what you've got. Trading away prospects like Muckler did...emptying the farm system and drafting crap doesn't show up until a few years down the road.
Just look at the carnage Muckler left in New York, in Buffalo and here in Ottawa. The guy was a butcher. How does a guy that incompetent keep getting jobs? Oh yeah the 80's Oilers he lucked into coaching.
Plus he traded Hossa for Heatley, let Chara walk in favor of Redden, gave Havlat away for junk. The man was an imbecile.
Murray has been better than Muckler. Muckler did leave him a huge mess but in my book he is batting .500 right now. Good at drafting, hit and miss (more miss IMO) on trades.
The truth of the matter is that this team is finished. The window of opportunity is closed. Patching together teams with geriatric FA's is the TML SOP. If the guy is as smart as his fans think he is, he'll start a genuine rebuild, and that means unloading fan favourites like Alfredsson, maybe Phillips. Definitely getting rid of Kovalev and Cheechoo if you can.
Ottawa WILL pack the building to watch a group of hungry young kids play with effort and desire. They wont stand for watching a handful of aging stars and scrubs mail it on any given night, and MAYBE squeak into the playoffs.
To duff:
I think that it's important to mention that 8 of Ottawa's forwards from the 06-07 Finals team were Marshall Johnston draft picks - 5 of those 8 being top 6 forwards.
It's also important to note that Ottawa's top 3 defensemen at the time were Marshall Johnston draft picks.
Also, Ray Emery was a Marshall Johnston draft pick.
Muckler filled out the bottom half of our roster and brought in Corvo, Meszaros, Nycholat, Preissing on defense; Heatley, Schaefer, McAmmond, Eaves, Saprykin and Comrie at forward. (Each of those players, ironically enough, is gone because they a) were useless; b) asked for a trade; or c) asked for too much money come free agency.)
Muckler didn't build our Stanley Cup team, Marshall Johnston did.
And I'd also like to say that this seems like compelling evidence to prove to whomever was saying that a GM from a few years ago doesn't have an influence on the current team:
Just as Johnston created a good SCF team, Muckler has destroyed said team with poor drafting and poor trades.
Just saying...
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Great rant Andrew !!
Too many Murray "haters" on this story !!
Muckler was successful because of "Slats" or Glen Sather in the mid-late 80's with the Oilers !!
He had some success with the Sens, but did not do a good enough job in last 3 years or so with Sens !!
Blame it on senility HA HA !!
Re Heatley and Hossa, who were(are) both great players , but both have ego problems and switch teams like shirts !! Heatley is worse, cause he stole $14 million from Melnyk for 6 months of hockey !! Had to be collusion between Heatley-Wilson (GM of Sharks)re July 1st bonus of $4million!!
Murray is a builder, and will rebuild our Sens to a Cup contender real quick !!
He is not a Scotty Bowman, but he's not that far behind !!
Robert Cyr
LOL, the panthers didn't even make the playoffs that year. How can you say BM made them into a stanley cup contender...LMAO!!!!!!!
OK. so Murray's track record has yet to be written in Ottawa. We have to give him more time. Too bad about the sad fan base in Ottawa bailing on the team - and bailing from games early. Seeing concerts at SBP sucks as well - Ottawa is just too fairweather a place. But we do still love our hockey.
But what gets me is all these comments saying how boring the sens hockey has become. I haven't seen this team work as hard as they have been in years. They are playing hard on the puck and playing hard for each other. I love this team under Clouston. We are on the uptick and will have a good number of years to enjoy it. We hit our trough and it only took Murray a year - 16 months to get out of it.
THeshow...I'm not sure what you mean by not having depth anymore. You mention guys like Vermette, Eaves and Corvo, but fail to see Regin, Winchester, Karlsson. The sens depth is better then its ever been IMO.
Fact is Murray has done some good things and done some bad things. His drafting, which currently looks good on paper, has yet to really show itself so judging it right now is speculation really.
I personally like Murray overall. I don't think he's perfect or amazing, but I don't think any GM is. Even Holland makes mistakes - Bertuzzi?
This debate will go back and forth until Murray is completely out of the fold, which could be next year (though not likely) or could be 5 years from now. Either way, no matter who is at the helm, some people will like, and others will hate. That's just the way it is.
THeshow...I'm not sure what you mean by not having depth anymore. You mention guys like Vermette, Eaves and Corvo, but fail to see Regin, Winchester, Karlsson. The sens depth is better then its ever been IMO.
Fact is Murray has done some good things and done some bad things. His drafting, which currently looks good on paper, has yet to really show itself so judging it right now is speculation really.
I personally like Murray overall. I don't think he's perfect or amazing, but I don't think any GM is. Even Holland makes mistakes - Bertuzzi?
This debate will go back and forth until Murray is completely out of the fold, which could be next year (though not likely) or could be 5 years from now. Either way, no matter who is at the helm, some people will like, and others will hate. That's just the way it is.
To Anon 11:03
I agree with you 100%
I have to agree guys , as a coach he was awesome , but he is a VERY VERY shaky GM.....you barely even need scouts for drafting anymore with all the media , any dumbass could go from that and do an excellent draft!!! HONESTLY , his trades suck!! with 1 acception ....
i love my team and will cheer no matter what , but i agree 200% that murray comes off like he s panicing ALL the time, usually resulting in us loosing out on awesome players that at the time we all loved
the eaves and corvo trade was his first biggest mark/warning sign to me that hes completely lost it
Fair enough Anon at 11:03,
I could see why you would say that. I do try and defend Murray and Melnyk and the organization as a whole whenever possible.
I really feel like there is too much negativity out there about this team and that a positive outlook is required sometimes.
Definitely not on the payroll though.
This rant was chosen because only two have come in over the last little while. Really wasn't much selection.
I thought this reader made a pretty good case and put together a quality piece.
I would have no problem posting the other side of the debate...
Your loyalty to the site is greatly appreciated though.
To everyone,
You know it's Murrays fault that the top players on this team haven't produced and it's Murrays fault this team has little chemistry. To the idiot that said he will not buy another ticket till Murray is gone go cheer on the leafs or habs, cause your obviously not a real fan. Real fans cheer for their team no matter what. I hate guys on the team, but i still go to games, still cheer and buy as much merchandise as my bank account will allow. Fans that bitch and cry, but do not support on the good are not real fans.
Frankly, I come to this site because of SC's optimism. It's easy to sit back and critisise the team, and people do it here in vitrolic language that makes me cringe. I enjoy SC's optimism and level headedness.
I love this team.
Re Murray, I remember Alfie saying at the time that Murray was coach, that Murray was the best coach he'd ever had. So I trust Alfie to recognise a good hockey man (and yes I realise there's a diff between coach and GM), and I trust Murray!
Muckler's drafting was horrendous as GM. When Murray took over, the cupboards in Bingo were pretty much bare. Now that there have been a few draft's, Murray's record has been great: Karlsson, Wiercioch, Cowen, Lehnner...they're going to be stars. And we have Murray to thank for that.
Muckler dropped the ball on Martin Havlat, getting little in return when he was traded, and we also had to see Chara walk away for nothing. Muckler gaffes, not Murray's.
And to back up SC's reply to some of the posts, he's a back of the SENATORS including Melnyk and Murray. Just because you aren't NEGATIVE about Ottawa doesn't make you a hockey expert. There was a time when you so called "experts" wanted Alfredsson traded for Craig Conroy. I remember all the posts this summer saying the team needed to trade Donovan, Ruutu and Kelly. Well thank God that didn't happen or they'd be tied with the Leafs!!! The boys are in playoff contention and once you get in the post-season, anything can happen. I'm staying positive about my team.
Anon at 9:58:
Regin, Winchester and Karlsson are not depth.
Havlat on the 4th line is depth.
AHL filler overloading your roster doesn't make you a deep team.
JohnnyHolmes:
Havlat on the fourth line means he's struggling.
No, it means he was a kid trying to crack the lineup and carried scrubs like Van Allen and Zamuner to their career best years.
Sending Spezza back to junior, and to the AHL was also because we were a deep enough team to be able to do so. Same for Vermette.
On paper, Ottawa is a 2 line team (when healthy). That is not depth.
I think Murray's draft record speaks for itself, even his detractors agree this is his strength. But trading and cap-management are not strengths.
Kelly's 2M a season is such a waste, this role could have been filled by a cheaper player. 3.7 M is a bit steep for Kuba a defensemen who relies on stick checking instead of phsyical play. 5 M for Kovalev a player on player known for disappearing for long periods of the season.
On the trading front a 1st rounder on Campoli was such a waste, even if it's 30rd overall teams do not part with 1sst rounders. We could have used this pick to move up in last years draft possibly gotten Kadri an offensive players instead of shut-down d man Cowen(Already had his knee reconstructed). The Mezaros situation could have yielded a 1-2 and a 3rd from Tamapa, instead we have kuba,Picard and campoli(To those who say Tampa was missing a pick, so was Toronto before going after Kessel they simply contacted Chicago and got it back). Eaves and Corvo for nothing, while Corvo wanted out he had a hard shot from the point, something our power-play has been lacking ever since. The trade for a number goaltender was two seasons two late and Leclair has yet to stay healthly enough to fully judge this decision. To those who keep talking about what a "great" trade Shannon was the guy has 6 pts this season(20 last), Murray traded a marginal AHL plyaer for a marginal NHL player. Ottawa won this trade but it's not a blockbuster by any strech of the imagination. On the Heatley front Murray did the best he could with the situation he was put in.
Murray has been fighting the need to rebuild for a while, as a result the team isn't bad but it's not great either.
The elite players tend to be drafted in the 1-5 positions in the draft with Spezza,Ovie, Crosby, Malkin, Tavares, Doughty etc being in these positions. With Alfie aging our elite offensive players are essentially Milacek and Spezza, perhaps Fisher but this is the 1st season he's shown the ability to score more than 20 goals. Flordia and other teams that consistently miss the playoffs have shown that drafting outside of the top 10 leads to more years of mediocrity. If Murray were to go down this road it would require hard decisions like trading Volchie, reducing both our cap situation and the current potential of the team.
While Murray has been invovled with teams before thier Cup run, in the case of Anheim he didn't bring in all the pieces needed to win. The ducks defense was awful before Burke rebuilt it, with Federov dumped for Buchemin(sp) and the Pronger trade(everyone wanted him, but Burke bamboozled Lowe, look what Anheim got from Philly for an older version of the same player). In the case of the Sens look how poorly Spezza has performed without a finisher, Camerllari was avaiable for an extra Million but we have Kovalev instead.
I think Melynk would be better off pursuing Yzerman as GM and assigning Murray to a role of adviser similar to the role Bowman had for years with Detriot. Yzerman's role with team Canada has provided him with the experience of building a team from stratch along with the experience of scouting the entire league. Yzerman has consitently been a winner in his career. During his GM apprentership he has worked with Bowman and Holland allowing him to learn from the best. After the Olympics I expect we will see a big demand for his services and I hope Murray and Melynk would consider such an arrangement.
Yzerman's role with Team Canada has given him good experience?
Sure, when you don't have to worry about the salary cap, and can have your pick of the best players available, I'm sure that will translate into success at the NHL level.
Oh, and the Olympics haven't been played yet, so let's not jump to conclusions as the how great the team he selected is...
Some of you commenting on this blog make me question if you are truly Sens fans. You seem to be praising Muckler who took this team to the Cup Final... yes he did -- but along the way gave up EVERY good prospect the Sens had along with draft picks. So Murray takes over and after the Cup run -- when some of the players left due to free agency.. Murray goes to Bingo to get some prospects to fill in.. guess what -- THERE IS NOTHING THERE. Yes you build a team for winning the Stanley Cup -- but not at the cost of your future.. which is what Muckler did.
Murray has in two years built up a better team in Bingo and good prospects coming via US college, OHL, Sweden... to name a few..so the future of the Sens look better under Murray than it did under Muckler.
Yes Murray traded Vermette and a 2nd round pick -- which landed us Pascal Leclaire and our future goaltender in Robin Lehner -- not too bad a trade was it? Corvo?? wanted out - couldn't handle the pressure of playing in Canada -- yes I was sorry to see Eaves go as well... but to get rid of Corvo it had to be done.
Heatley traded -- yes he was -- did you expect a disgruntled player on this team doing nothing but whining and sulking and bring the rest of the team down with him? I believe he wanted out as the Sens had a bad year and he only wants to play on teams that are great teams. He wanted no part of turning this team around. My opinion -- when the going got tough he QUIT on his team.. that is the only reason he wanted out. He thinks he's going to win a Stanley Cup with San Jose. Think again.. yes they are a great team who will probably win the President's Trophy again this year.. but they win with pure skill. When playoff time comes you need more than skill to be successful. You need hard checking and hard work to get through the 4 rounds to the cup final. San Jose has shown in the past they can't do that.. If they think Heatley is the grit and hard checking player to get them over the top they are mistaken.
That's also why I'm concerned with Thorton, Heatley & Marleau line for Team Canada. They will do great againt teams like Norway, Finland, Latvia, etc.. but against Russia, US & Sweden.. I think they will have great difficulty.
Some of you are also critizing Melynk?? are you crazy. This man saved this franchise. It is his money so he can hire and fire who he wishes. Sens attendance is down yes... ecomony -- most likely and too many home games in October & November -- hard to sell tickets with so many home games -- hopefully it will pick up in Jan, Feb.
This team will have it tough with their two top players out. The Sens have yet to play a game this year with a FULL lineup. Someone has been injured for each and every game. If this team misses the playoffs it will be due to injuries and nothing else. You can't blame Murray & Melynk when someone gets injured.
If the Sens can get through the next 4 weeks still in playoff contention and then make the playoffs when they are hopefully finally healthy -- then Cory Clouston should be coach of the year. So far he has done a real good job with what he has in the line-up.
I'll cheer for the Sens win or lose as I'm a true Sens fan.
Some of you said you won't go to a game because Heatley was traded and Murray is still GM.. good stay away... fans like you make me sick
Mikep i agree with most of what your saying except i will take Cowen over Kadri anyday
12:37
Right ON!
This rant was a beauty. Right on!
GO SENS GO!
I don't know what some of you are smoking, but you need to do your research before you post, holy smokes. Joe Corvo wanted out of Ottawa, it was either trade him or loose him for nothing. Cory Stillman is a great hockey player and the fact that trade didn't work out had nothing to do with the players in the deal, but the fact that the entire team went into the tank for a whole calendar year. Take a look at Patrick Eaves, he has never developed into what he was supposed to. We got rid of Mez who has totally gone into the crapper for 2 Dmen who have much better offensive numbers and better plus/minus. Where does this horseshit about Bryan Murray making bad trades come from??? Honestly, go look at all the moves Murray has made trade wise before you open up your uninformed mouths. Every move he's made, has shed underachieving salary for higher draft picks and harder working, more reliable players. Explain to me how we got 'raped' in the deal for Heatley. He's is a one dimensional player, a goal sucker and that's it. Michalek has only 5 less goals than Heately. He back checks like hell, plays hard on the boards and actually is a hell of a penatly killer. When have you ever seen Heater backcheck, play hard on the boards or PENALTY KILL. Whatever you want to believe, we came out quite well in that deal. Not only are someone of you short sighted, but, you don't know shit from shinola about hockey and hockey players or how to build success.
Many of the comments on here are great, IMO. The fact is, Murray's legacy in ottawa as gm is still TBD. It looks like he's done a good job drafting, but the trades and signings he's made have been questionable at best.
I personally think you've got to wait at least 4 years before you can really evaluate how a GM has done. The on-ice product is definitely worse, but ottawa was a "gotta get a lot worse before it gets better" situation. Sad thing is, maybe it still is.
pg
Ooooh another Murray rant to deconstruct, I love these!
So, the premise seems to be that he 'built' the Ducks. He drafted Perry and Getzlaf, fair enough.
Now look at the DEFENSE CORE from the time Murray was there to the time that Bob Murray and Brian Burke stepped forward. Not a single player remained! The other two brought in Beauchemin, Pronger, Niedermayer, Huskins etc etc and rebuilt the team's image.
Same with the forward corps, again massive change there.
Murray took a Stanley Cup finalist team here in Ottawa, pushed the old GM out the door, no doubt by convincing Melnyk that being from Shawville is some God-given route to success and the team eroded under his touch. Talent deficit on forward, hiring family and friends, overpaying and giving no-trades willy nilly, Emery saga, Heatley saga, remnants of Gerber saga.
Under Murray:
Missed playoffs
Swept in 4 games
Currently looking like a 5-7th place team in the East.
Why should I GIVE A DAMN about Bryan Murray?
30 YEARS WITH NO STANLEY CUP RING.
That's FAILURE with a capital "M" for Murray, of course!
He's a loser and lo and behold the camera will pan to him looking confused and writing his grocery list as we get our asses handed to us in the playoffs.
Nothing short of a Conference Finals or Stanley Cup victory will make up for the mediocrity that has been foisted onto us by having Bryan Murray as our GM.
What have we done, as fans, to deserve Murray? Ugh!
But he's from Shawville woohoo! That means something, winning doesn't mean anything, let's head to Vars and see if anyone there needs an NHL job!
Sorry about my latest Anon rant (the Shawville references) but I see RED whenever Murray comes up.
I will give him credit for his excellent drafting! Also give him credit for cleaning out the room but I'll be damned if I like the NTC he handed out like candy, the bad trades and signings for 4th line pluggers.
Murrays as scouts/player evaluation = joy, unbridled joy!
Murray as GM = stress, worry and despair.
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