The rumours with the Chicago Blackhawks are back on the front burner this weekend.
The Hawks have some serious cap issues right now and the Senators might be willing to take a player of their hands. Word is the Senators have interest in defenceman Cam Barker.
Ottawa would apparently send Ryan Shannon and Alex Picard to the Windy City in return. I would think draft picks would have to be involved as well.
I spoke to one contact this evening who actually suggested that this was a done deal but that the league had taken issue with it. There's talk the Hawks would could potentially put one or both Ottawa players on waivers if the deal was to go through.
This is just a rumour for now but definitely something to keep an eye on here. I'll update again if I hear anything more.
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that is odd... why put Picard and Shannon on waivers and get nothing for Barker?
Why not jsut put Barker on waivers than lol?
Sounds odd, unless i am missing something obvious here?
- HSF
i would shit my pants if this deal happened..please please happen
Yea sorry I forgot to mention a draft pick.
It was suggested they would put one or both Ottawa players on waivers.
You're right though HSF, this all seems very strange.
Hey JC
Why would the league take issue with the deal?
I don't see the reasoning (unless the trade puts them over the 23 man roster)
Its a great question, Dale. To be honest I'm not really sure.
There are some strange things going on in Chicago right now with regards to the salary cap and the league is watching it all very closely.
because a draft pick or two will be included in the deal - Ottawa has to send players because they are too close to the cap - but it occurs to me that other teams not up against the cap would be in a better position to make a deal with Chicago than Ottawa - i.e. a simple exchange of draft picks for a player in order to dump salary
KCL
Thats a good point KCL. Especially if they can find someone to take on Sopel.
that would be an amazing deal!
UNREAAALLL!!! This site can make me feel more excited than anything else sometimes.
I know that these are just rumours and word floating about but its exciting to hear it's even out there!
Sold!
i think this deal is closer than ppl think and isnt an amazing steal. It would probably favour ottawa a bit but that is the nature when you are dumping salary.
Barker is a good offensive weapon, but his defensive game needs a lot more work and he can be a bit streak at times. Losing Picard might hurt more than we know as he avgs 20 mins of ice time on Ottawa while Barker only plays like 13 mins on the Hawks.
Just my take, and i guess it depends really on the draft pick
- HSF
It has been pointed out on the previous thread that expiring contracts are also critical to any trade with Chicago and that Picard and Shannon fall into that category (can anyone confirm that?) - if so then Ottawa becomes a little more attractive to Chicago - but again other teams must also have expiring contracts ... no?
Does anyone know which teams have the most salary space?
I suspect those teams that are just paying the minimum are the best candidates but then again they are probably less likely to take on salary
Sweet Jesus - wasn't it easier in the old days when Toronto could buy their way out of any mistakes and Ottawa had to painstakingly build through the draft....Ahhh those were the days :-)
KCL
i have seen this rumour in many sites and a buddy of mine's dad is friends with murray and apparently hes trying to get the deal done.
I wouldn't be too worried about barker only playing 13 minutes - look who is in front of him on the Chicago depth chart, they have some seriously good dmen.
If it goes through that would be very good.
If Picard and Shannon are put on waivers by Chicago is there any reason why Ottawa couldn't pick them up? Not saying I want that to happen but would that be allowed?
Thanks for this great update. Can you tell us if the Senators acquire Cam Barker, shat his contract situation is? Thank you
Barkers contract is for this year and 2 more years after that. With a cap hit of
3.083 million
sorry Allan i guess i should have expanded on my though...
My thinking is that Barker already has some obvious defensive lapses while playing 13 mins and playing more at this point might lead to some more obvious soft plays. Then again once we have all our defensemen (Volch) he might not need to play more than 15 mins but with top PP time.
There will be some growing pains, but i would surely do this deal just cause Barker's potential is interesting :)
- HSF
3.0 mil cap hit 09/10
3.125 mil cap hit 10/11
3.125 mil cap hit 11/12
nhlnumbers.com
Take a look at how many CDNS are on the hawks.
If this is true I would like to see Murray make this deale also I would like to see Murray try to get Andrew Ladd also back in return with Cam Barker.
barker is young and developing. he doesn't see a l ot of minutes in chicago because who he's behind on the depth chart. if he came to ottawa he would be a top 4 d-man but still may only see minutes somewhere in the 17-20 range. i like the look of this deal and barker and i share a birthday so that's cool.
Jonathan.
The Cap hit is 3.083 per year. The numbers you posted are the actual salary numbers for those years
i think what this means is shannon + Picard + salary dump (that gets waived) + pick for barker
Hey SC,has many of your sources confirm about this rumour?
10:16
Why don't you just add the entire 3rd and 4th line while your at it?
To Anon at 10:37 PM,
This is really only coming from one place right now to be honest.
I've seen this rumour around the internet for the past week or so but this was the first time someone came to me with something.
We'll see what happens tomorrow...
Phillips- Volchenkov
Kuba- Lee
Barker- Carkner
Pretty solid.
The reason Chicago would do this deal, for basically nothing back, is that they get to choose where Barker goes this way: If they put him on waivers and a rival team picks him up, then they look bad. But if he goes to Ottawa, Barker will only play Chicago once a season.
This is too much for Barker. I'd be happy if we were talking about Seabrook but Picard has been playing better than lee and campoli and he's the one going? I won't be missing Shannon much but Picard+Shannon should be more than enough for Barker, maybe a 4th pick but not a 1st or second.
Barker may be great offensively but he's defensive play is still questionable. We need someone more solid imo
Hey SC
What do you think the odds of this happening?
To Anon at 11:00 PM,
I really cant say what the "odds" are of it happening. There is plenty of talk, but at this point its just that.
Hope to find out more tomorrow..
do you think that if this trade happens that it would put Ottawa into a position to contend for 1st in the NE?
I would rather give Campoli instead of Picard because his been having great chemistry with Carkner.
so the duos would look like:
Phillips-Volchenkov(Shutdown)
Kuba-Barker(Good puck moving skills with solid defensive coverage)
Carkner-Picard/Lee(Strong 5-6 defencemen)
Extra:Lee or Picard
Anon@11:15, Ottawa is already contending for 1st in the NE. So that would be a yes.
Awesome!! Can't wait 'till tomorrow. Thanks for the great update Chirpy
the blackhawks wouldn't be interested in any player that has a contract that extends into next year. at the moment they have all but signed kane, toews and keith but can't announce it as the contacts for those three would put them over the cap for next season. there is a rule in the CBA that limts teams in this situation. its caled "tagging". because of this the hawks need to dump salary before they can officially announce the signing of the big 3. this is why they are shopping some players (mainly barker and sopel). therefor taking on a player such as campoli at this time, although its not a huge contract for next year, still doesn't help them as they are trying to shed some dollars to get under next seasons cap.
How could the league take issue with it? There is no rule against waiving players. Also, if Chicago wants nothing to do with these guys why not just send them the picks? The league can't say anything then and Ottawa can either waive them themselves or waive other guys or do whatever they want. This all seems fishy to me.
I'm really worried about the Sens getting a $3 M D-Man that is considered by many to be a defensive liability. It's OK to be cheap and learning to defend (Picard, Campoli, Lee) while having offensive upside....but a $3 M cap hit? That would paralyse the Sens roster and not fill the present need.
Even with the stacked D-Corps in Chi-town, I'm worried that Barker only gets 13-14 minutes a game.
The Sens need a solid "defensively reliable" guy to play with Kuba and eat up over 20 minutes a game.
I suppose Murray knows what's out there so he has to chase down what's available. You can't buy the out-of-stock items when you're doing the grocery shopping.
I really thought he'd lean more towards a "rental" with the prospect of adding 2 D (Cowen, Karlsson) next year, plus keeping Volchenkov. Either that or make a blockbuster deal for a true stud, but that's such a long shot. They're rarely available and always over-priced. Teams need to grow their own!
In my opinion this only makes sense if it is for more than just Barker. Something like...
To Ottawa
Ladd
Barker
To Chicago
Cheechoo
Picard
Shannon
SJ's 2nd rounder
It's possible that Chicago then just waives Cheechoo.
That said, why do it if you're Chicago? You're really rolling right now...
-kw
there is no contract for Campoli next year, he's an RFA just like Picard is and he's currently cheaper
I don't think aquiring players and waiving them would be any worse than Boston trading for Eaves and immediately buying him out.
Really hopeful this actually happens.
If we picked up Barker, he'd probably look good on a pairing with Volchie.
Volchenkov - Barker
Phillips - Kuba
Lee/Campoli - Carkner
Those D pairings look a lot more solid than what we have now.
I would love to see this happen, but I think it may just be smoke in the wind on Buffalo's part, because teams will see this and be like hey we can offer better than that. I think Chicago is trying to start a bidding war.
Still I would love to see that happen.
GO SENS GO...big game tomoro against OV
kw:
I don't think that they want Cheechoo. They're trying to dump salary, and he's got a huge crappy contract. Waiving him is pointless, because there's about a 1% chance someone picks him up.
On a positive note, the only GMs dumb enough to pick up Cheech if he was waived would be Gainey and Burke.
Cam Barker a Senator:) That would be great!!!
side note. its great that the leafs are trying to get something done recently and burke isn't getting much co-operation from gms around the league.
phillips-kuba
volchenkov-barker
carkner-campoli
much better d pairing than what we are rolling now. Barker is a 40pt dman who is still 23.
Sold.
I was saying back in August that the Hawks were in cap trouble and should have been looking at Heatley. I was right. They have tons of young talent and massive cap problems. However now it seems to me that Buffalo would be a better fit for the Hawks. Also, I am not so sure that Murray wants to change things considering how the Sens are playing.
anon@12:18
Waiving Cheechoo would mean that they still pay him, but that his salary no longer counts against the cap.
I really don't see why CHI would get involved with Cheech.
KB
Ya, the D would be a lot stronger if Murray could swing this. I understand what Chicago is going through, they need to lock Kane, Toews, and Keith up. They also have a strong D group already behind him, with Seabrook, Campbell, and Hjalmarsson. They won't be able to resign all of those guys AND Barker, so maybe he's the victim of the numbers game here, which is a completely understandable function of the salary cap.
Still, Chicago's loss is Ottawa's gain. I'll believe this trade when I see it, but I would be very pleased if it went through as advertised. He's having a real good year, which looks even better when you consider that he's playing only 13:50/game on average. He'd be top 4 in Ottawa, which would be fantastic.
I'd line them up like this:
Phillips/Kuba
Volchenkov/Barker
Campoli/Carkner
Strong.
The reason why this trade/putting some players on waivers doesn't make much sense because it's all rumours and nothing more. It's like in Grade 2 when you tell your buddy you got a new Xbox; then at the end of the day your classmates are wondering how your purple monkey dishwasher works.
I really can't believe all the people coming on here saying don't trade Picard. IS THAT A F'CKING JOKE. Picard is terrible (note: his last 2 games were his best of the season). How we have such short term memories. He should not be playing in the nhl right now. The fact that someone wants this guy, let alone someone is willing to give us something back for him has made me the happiest person alive. GET THIS GUY OFF OUR TEAM. With him gone our d will actually be respected around the league. GET'ER DONE MURRAY.
-AJS
Barker for Picard, Shannon and SJ 2nd round pick would be good.
The reason why Chicago wont just waive Barker is because if they trade him they will likely get a player(s) with an expiring contract AND a draft pick as well, whether it be a 2nd, 3rd etc it still beats 'waiving' a player.
10:18,
plus if they waived barker themselves, they would potentially be sticking a lot more money in the minors (3.083), then if they waived picard and shannon (1.4), but ya the draft pick is the big thing. I could see shannon getting waived and picard playing a third pairing role if it went down
I am a life long Chicago resident and Hawk fan. Let me start by saying that yes Barker has some minor defensive lapses from time to time. But he is an A+ powerplay QB in the waiting. And if I understand your situation correctly, a PP QB is exactly what you need. He has a really hard and accurate shot from the point and contrary to what I have heard some writers say, he is NOT a soft player. He will drop the gloves if needed and can lay a solid hit as well. I will be really sad to see him go, and I think you all of you Sens fans will be happy with his play if this deal goes through. Such is life in the capped NHL though. Good luck this season.
-M
I know this is a long shot but if you're going to throw in Cheech to try and get Ladd, I'd much rather see Sharp than Ladd coming our way.
Plus if this were to happen where Barker was coming to the Sens. The defensive pairings should look like this:
Volchie - Phillips (If it ain't broke don't fix it.)
Kuba - Campoli (I find they both work well together)
Barker - Carkner (Barker would get more minutes by playing on the PP)
The Hawks are never going to take Cheechoo as part of this deal - end of story. They are trying to rid themselves of salary and Cheechoo has a $3M cap hit in 10-11.
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