Acording to Ian Mendes, Brian Lee has been returned to Binghamton. Meanwhile, Erik Karlsson has been recalled in a bit of a surprise move.
The status of Anton Volchenkov is still unknown.
Karlsson will apparently play against the Bruins tomorrow night.
Its a tough break for Lee as he has played quite well since being called up. His two way contract makes him the obvious choice.
The Senators skated this morning but Daniel Alfredsson, Jason Spezza and Milke Fisher were all absent.
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He's being showcased for a trade.
Any idea why Karlsson's coming back? If Anton is back, you'd think it just be Lee going down and nobody else coming back.
Has Karlsson's play in the AHL been good enough to garner and promotion and demotion for Lee?
Karlsson eh? It will be nice to have a big shot from the point again.
Perhaps Lee is set to be traded?
wowww, i did not see that coming at all. It's really disappointing for Lee who has played well. I think the organization is alienating him a bit and he will likely move to another organization if given the chance. That being said, Karlsson has been playing quite well in Bingo lately so im excited to see what he'll bring.
If he plays tonight it will take 1 year off his entry level contract...something is up.
Thats a surprise, didn't think we'd call Karlsson up this year. So this means that we're using up his first year of contract right?
Can someone confirm/clarify that for me?
That's great though, I like Karlsson and found Lee a bit inconsistent, although he has played well in the past 3-5 games. He still looked lost out there at times and is very soft on his man to man coverage I found.
Hopefully Karlsson can turn it up a notch and play better with the team.
However, if Karlsson and Volchie are coming back to the team, and Lee is being sent down, who is gonna be scratched? Picard and Carkner are playing fine, Philips is a boss, so is Kuba as of late... Campoli? Fine with me.
Cheers, can't wait for the Boston showdown, BTW Lucic is out 4 more weeks, high-ankle sprain.
Erik Karlsson has a two-way contract, exactly what Chicago needs right now.
Let The Bryan play his cards right.
With Karlsson being called up, does that mean the first year in his contract kicks in?
Very interesting while Karlsson is better Offensivly I thought Lee has been good enough to stay killing penalties and everything. In Karlsson's 9 games he didn't seem very confident in his own end.
What a stupid move, Karlsson is just going to get man handled again.
The Senators are playing well enough that a decision might have been made to trade some future for some right now.
Jared Cowen/Cam Barker would make one hell of an imposing top D pairing in a couple of years.
Again, let The Bryan do his thing.
To clarify,
If Karlson plays one more game in the NHL, his entry level contract kicks in. At least that is my understanding.
Are you getting a sniff of anything impending SC?
If the move were for a trade I doubt it would be Karlsson being moved, as it wouldn't require him being brought up and it would have to be a much bigger deal than the Barker rumour in my mind for Murray to trade a guy he traded up in the draft to get.
Maybe someone else is on the move though. Campoli or Picard?
Workin on it guys....This really is a bizarre move to me. Seems like there has to be more to it.
That is the luxury of depth.
Thank you Bryan Murray. Keep it up.
Jared Cowen has been Terminator II in the WHL this year. He makes Chris Pronger look like Wade Redden. The WHL isn't pattycake pond hockey.
so weird, i feel bad for lee, he deserved to stay with the team
Listening to Clouston talk it just sounds like he wasn't thrilled with the play of Lee.
Confusing to me...
What if it was Brian Lee being trade. That way he would have no impact on Chicago's cap because he is now in the minors.
We will see. Keep your eyes peeled for scouts and general managers in Boston.
TRADE!!!
Its coming, I can feel it.
He hasn't looked out of place often out there....Seems like a really odd move. I mean I am glad to see Karlsson back up, as the experience will do wonders for us next season, but seems very odd.
Elliott has looked great the last two games!
Wow I'm really surprised by the decision. I didn't think Karlsson would be back on the big club this year. I tought Brian Lee was playing really well but I think that he will ask for a trade if Murray doesnt have him traded already.
If Bryan can get Barker for Lee, a second, and a bag of pucks it shows why he's an NHL General Manager and I'm not.
Anyone know if there was hawks scouts in the building last night Mark Christopher alluded to it in his blog but wasn't confirmed
hmm.. no thrilled with the play of lee eh? thats odd. lee was stronger than he's ever been in the N.. I think there has to be something to this like others are saying. Especially since there has been talks of trade between ottawa and chicago involving defencemen. well, i guess we'll have to wait. keep us posted SC!
No way Karlsson gets traded Michael. It's far too early for them to be giving up on him yet, and I don't think Barker is enough return for Karlsson's potential. Seabrook maybe, Barker no.
I'd say what seems more likely to me is that Picard would be getting moved. He's actually been playing ok, but there's no doubt that he's odd man out if once Volchenkov is back. Considering the organizational depth of the Senators, there probably isn't a permanent spot for him.
Contract years shouldn't mean anything. You have to put your best players on the ice every night. If Karlsson is playing well enough to deserve another shot, then I say put him in. Lee has been ok, but not spectacular. If Volchenkov returns this weekend, and Karlsson is in the lineup, then I think maybe we've seen the last of Picard, or maybe Campoli?
To Anon at 12:32 PM,
No scouts from the Hawks there last night. Asked about that this morning...
Alot of speculation that the Hawks want to be able to announce there extentions when the club returns from this road trip and their next home game is tuesday let the speculation continue
And with Ottawa set to go to the West Coast, its possible they expect to make a move sometime while they are travelling?
Just brainstorming here like the rest of you...
This seems quite strange to me.
Anton is being traded, relax we have a good return, Anton was able to play but felt the team was trying to perpare for life with out him and we did pretty good also Kelly is part of this deal. thats all i can say....
"that is all I can say" - just love these bullshit anon posters.
@ Anon 12:40: I doubt Murray would risk a lynching by trading Volch, regardless of the return.
But if he did it better be for something like Seabrook and Bufgfghhghtlin, howeber the hell you spell it...That would be awsome...except for the trading Volch thing. Seabrook is probably better, but Volch is in the hearts of sens fans..
Ill be very disappointed, as will many other fans, if Lee is traded. Picard, Campoli, sure... but Lee is so young and has lots of potential. Karlsson, Lee, Cowen, ect... young D core, its sweet. Keep it!
Thank you 12:40 for that insightful bullshit you just fed us, and i just know a good 2 or 3 people are gonna eat it right up
Karlsson with 11 assists in 12 games with Bingo. No goals but pretty good numbers none the less. Also an even plus/minus. Probably worth another look if you're the sens.
haha while as much as im sure anon 12:40 is full of it the heatley trade some random HB poster called the trade a solid half hour or more b4 it was announced and everyone dismissed him as an idiot.
Anyone notice that Picard racked up the most minutes out of anyone in the game last night. AT 26 and change
lets not get retarded here folks....
this doesn't make much sense if you're looking at it from a hockey stand point....unless karlsson has put on about 40 pounds since being sent down...
This makes no sense, and now were are gonna have to pay up for Karlsson one year sooner cause Clousten has a hate on for Lee for some reason? To me he didn't look out of place at all.
Keep us posted SC
I a starting to think this could just be a roster move and nothing else.
With Volchenkov coming back, our defense back much stronger and can bear having a lesser experience, offensively gifted rookie in the lineup.
Being on the top of our division make me happy..
Go Sens!
if there isn't a trade in the works, then this is dumb. Karlsson should play at least three quarters of the season in bingo-he needs to get stronger and get better defensively(lets not rush him)
and speaking of lee, he is a good all-round defenseman.....and you need those types in the line-up....you can't just have purely offensive guys like picard/karlsson/kuba and purely defensive guys like volchy and phillips
sad day for lee-he has the potential to be a good top 4 guy, but we keep sacking him in the balls
Another possibility is that Lee is hurt. That being the case, they would save $$$ and cap by sending him back down while bringing up Karlson.
Gorley - while I would hate to see Lee go, if we ARE getting a D back, at least two of our current D are going (so Campoli/Picard as well). Lee's only a couple of years younger than Campoli/Picard as well, so not like there's a major difference.
If there is a trade brewing, I'm guessing it's Lee + another D and maybe even a forward (Shannon?). Hopefully we get good value back if that's the case.
mgd...if you're injured in the NHL, you get NHL money...so it's not an injury
I agree, It seems like the Picard/Shannon trade is still on. But Murray is swinging Lee into the trade instead of giving up a good draft pick. Mark Christopher blogged before last nights game that a Chicago rep would be in the building for last nights game. I don't want to get all Eklund here. But I could see Lee being an edition to the Rumour that already was out there.
I was told no Hawks scouts were in attendance last night.
Maybe Karlsson started making rumblings that he might bolt back to Europe. Really, if it's just a roster move it's not that insane. Yeah we lose a year from EK's contract, but what's so bad about that? He's a blue-chip guy so I'm sure the plan is to keep him long term anyway.
Sucks for Lee but with that 2-way contract he's not going to get a fair shake anyway. And Clouston's not going to come out and say "Campoli has played worse, but he's on a one-way contract so ..."
OK with Picard, Campoli and even Lee trade to make us better. Would be disappointed if Volch traded. Would boycott future games if Karlsson traded. Would be sad to lose Kelly too. However, I won't react until I see what Brian does. Exciting, time will tell...
Anon 12:50 Picard plays first line power-play. He also is playing in the top 4 until A-Train is back.
That being said I don't like this move unless Lee is being traded. He's taken big strides this year and I think he's been playing great. He engages physically and wins most of his one-on-one battles. He's been more effective than Campolli or Picard. He's only going to get better when he puts on 10-15 more pounds. We would be foolish to trade away the depth of the young D-core.
I presume we're getting another top 6 perhaps sharp if this is a real trade going down. Nobody has any cap room though so this makes no sense in a lot of ways.
-Bejamin1
that's right I was 3hrs with the heatley deal, trust me you are going to be happy with what's already a signed deal.
Good to see Karlsson get another chance but i just cant wait for the return of Volchenkov. Any news on A-Trains return chirp? Or any news on Fishers return? It would be great to get both of them back tomorrow for a tough division rival.
@ anon 1:01
Hurt, not injured. Able to play but not as effective. Not sure where that falls regarding cap. But maybe Lee is a little beat up. After seeing some of the hits he's been taking, it wouldn't surprise me.
Chirp,
Was there a practice today? was it followed by media availability? You mentioned Clouston talking about Lee, was that today?
Thanks,
PL
If Karlsson was deemed not ready after 9 games how does 12 ahl games change that? I'd rather let him dominate the Ahl than be a fringe nhl guy this season.
I have clarification of the 10 game rule. Once Karlsson appears in game number 10 his entry level deal kicks in, meaning it will count as a full season. At the 40 game mark, it counts as a full season for free agency. This means that instead of being a free agent at 27 he will be at 26.
With that said, I don't understand this move at all. The difference between Lee and Karlsson is not worth having to pay up a year sooner for Erik. Weird...
If Karlsson is indeed back on the roster let's pair him with a veteran (one of Phillips / Kuba / Volchenkov)
They'll teach him the tricks of the trade and be able to cover for some of his rookie mistakes
Anon if you're so sure why not just tell us what the "deal" is. You can't possibly believe yourself can you?
PL,
Yep they were on the ice this morning. Fisher skated by himself while Alfredsson and Spezza did not skate.
@anon 1:08
If you're so in the know, when will the deal be announced?
If Volchenkov is ready to play tomorrow then Lee going down is logical.
Karlsson coming up makes sense if Pickard or Campoli are hurt, Karlsson brings more tools to the table than Lee.
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Karlsson on the point on the 2nd pp unit
I don't care if the Volch trade Anon is full of it or not. I LOVE THIS TRADE TALK!
I will give Lee credit as he actually has played quite well since being called up. However, at this point it is clear the coaching staff has much more confidence in guys like Picard. Recent game sheets show AP, along with Kuba as the guys carrying the load on the back end each night. Picard plays in all situations. If there is any way you can sub Lee into this deal i think you have to do it. Although Picard's value is arguably higher right now.
Chirp,
I apologize. I am a moron. You said right in your blog that they skated this morning.
I was trying to figure out if the call-up was announced after the post-practice media scrum (ie if anyone was able to ask Clouston about it).
PL
I think its just a roster move with Clouston in his nhl knowlege we lack thinks Lee has not been playing good, while I disagree but what do I know.
Still pretty weird especially if Volch can't play the 2moro but is good to go after that and this is a 1 game stint pretty weird indeed.
check Sens Twitter feed, 9 min audio of clouston talking, not sure if he touches on Lee/Karlsson
hm....doesnt make sense at all
just going over the possibilities in the upcoming games:
1. volchkie is going to be back, so one d-man is going to be out either next game or the game after.
2. since volchkie is for sure going to be back. why send lee down and bring karlsson up right now? doesnt make sense because assuming volchenkov is back next game or game after, the contract year on karlsson's contract is gone anyways. why do that when they cant fit him in right now anyways?.
3. extension of 2: unless they are planning on sitting either of campoli/picard?.
4. smells trade for sure. picard/campoli might be on the outs.
5. brian lee's play: i for one have been impressed with his game since his second game back. his first game back was not very good, but his second game onwards he has been decent. but he obviously has made some questionable decisions at times. however, i think Clouston might be unjustly expecting a lot of Brian Lee. because compared to Campoli atleast, Lee has been great for us. Picard ofcourse has bailed himself out with better progressive play. atleast for now. one knock that Brian Lee does have is the odd bad penalty he has taken. like the interference call he took last night. maybe its something going back to their days together in Bingo between Lee and Clouston that makes Clouston expect more out of him than he is seeing on the ice.
I feel its a combination of clouston's unhappiness with Lee's play (i think its mostly inconsistency that pisses him off). and trade mongering which is reaching fever pitch for sure.
because i dont see any merit in eating up the year on karlsson's contract if an existing d-man does not sit out/gets traded. and again, if some of the speculators over here turn out to be true prophets lol....and we do get a d-man back in a trade, then again Karlsson will have to sit out. however maybe if the trade route is true, then maybe Murray is trading both of campoli and picard?
hmm...bizarro move anyways. i hope this doesnt mean the end of Brian Lee with the senators organization. to me he has played better as the senator's own prospect as compared to what Murray brought in from the outside in Picard and Campoli.
The Ottawa Sun has some quoted about the move. Sounds like Lee's play just hasn't been good enough. It also sounds like Volch won't be playing until next week now.
http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/11/27/11953541.html
Unless there is a trade that is about to happen, then this is just stupid.
I've heard most recently that Phaneuf might be available in Calgary. Why hasn't Murray looked into getting him instead of any of the Chicago d-men?
EH_Matt,
Because Phaneuf's cap hit is around 6.5M.
It'll be interesting to see how Karlsson's defensive game has improved. I am surprised that Lee was demoted, he was doing very well. If the Sens can beat Boston tomorrow, it'll be a huge confidence booster for the team.
GO SENS GO!
this is very strange....doesnt' sound like Karlsson's defensive game was very good at all in Bingo...wasn't that what he was supposed to be getting better at?
no to phaneuf. just don't see that move working out for us.
Lee isn't being traded. Clouston just said he hasn't been playing up to par and that he needs to dominate the AHL.
You don't lower the trade value of your players like that if you intend to include them in a deal.
Phaneuf sucks. He got beat up by Spezza.
Listened to the CLouston audio, it sounds like volchenkov is playing tommorow night. Clouston was asked how much he'd be playing and clouston said "I could say 15 minutes, but he might play 24"
1:47
Where did you hear Karlsson's defensive game was poor? 12 games, 11 assists, 0 +/-. Seems the only logical conclusion would be an average, point producing PMD that isn't much of a liability defensively.
so much for the trade speculation...
@ 1:59 (man these annon posts are annoying)
Grady Whittenburg, the play-by-play guy from the B-Sens was on the team1200 the other day. He said that Karlsson is a very exciting offensive player, but that his defensive game needed work. I haven't seen the Bingo team play this year, so I'm just going on what he said.
One other angle to consider...
Lee is a Muckler pick and Karlsson is a Murray pick. history shows that GM's often favour their own guys over the previous regime's.
I thought Lee was playing much better. Sorry to see him getting yo-yo'd around. I do recall the Bingo coaching staff not being overly impressed with Lee's progress prior to being called up.
Could a deal with Edmonton be coming on...Vishnovsky or Gilbert maybe?
anon @ 2:11pm
I think the angle that Lee was Muckler's pick and Karlsson was Murray's is spot on.
What's concerning is that we are tolerating this nonsense. The fans pay good money and invest their time in the SENATORS.
I don't care who drafted the player. If they are part of the organization, they have to be treated as an asset and management appropriately.
Any GM should be operating in the team's long-term interest. The only exception is when you are on a Cup run and choose to sacrifice some prospects for immediate help.
This move by Murray is inexcusable. I don't get it.
Anyone know what this does for Karlsson regarding World Junior? How many pro games to disqualify him? Seems like most GMs are big on wanting their prospects to have the experience, especially for Karlsson who'd have a very big role.
As far as who can go, Campoli is my least favourite D at the moment. He seemed to have a bit of scoring touch last year but that's gone and his play has been atrocious in '09.
My depth chart in order of least to most important:
Campoli
Lee
Picard/Karlsson
Carkner
Kuba
Volchenkov
Phillips
For Picard/Karlsson I would say Picard has impressed and is the better "right now" guy, but I still think Karlsson has some big potential if he can beef up a bit and shore up his defensive play.
But I have to wonder along with most commenters, why call Karlsson up now? I would have thought the send down would be at least three months. I can see in the case of serious injury depletion, but Volch seems close to coming back.
Hopefully Murray is able to get in on the Hawks fire sale.
Listening to Clouston talk it just sounds like he wasn't thrilled with the play of Lee.
Confusing to me...
Well, might be. Hopefully these rumours of a Chicago trade come true.
2:08
Just as I don't put much stock into Dean and Gord's ability to assess on ice talent, I think I can extend that to the AHL doubly so.
Funny thing is that everyone with 'some' hockey knowledge expects every good D-man to have the perfect mix of Mike Greene offensive ability matched with a Volchenkov's defensive ability. In reality, most D-men's strengths lie either on the offensive or defensive side of the coin, and only the true elite D-man may come close to having both. Expecting that from a prospect is retarded...
Ill be very disappointed, as will many other fans, if Lee is traded. Picard, Campoli, sure... but Lee is so young and has lots of potential
Lee's had plenty of time to get it together and show he can be a responsible NHLer. But his contract is expiring, and we can't wait forever for him, especially with Cowan being ready to step in and start learning next year, Wiercioch possibly ready to step in and start learning next year, etc. Not that his play has been that bad, but it definitely has not been great. Lee just might not fit onto the Senators.
I could see a deal with Edmonton Gilbert is in Quinns doghouse but @4mill it is a bit pricey for another guy who is not that great in his own end.
I hope its for a trade, but what good will it get us, Karlsson has no value, he is doing nothing in Bingo and all our other defenceman other than Volchenkov have no value either.
We can expect to recieve much with those low value players.
SM
Anyone else think Benoit Pouliot would have looked good on our 3rd line LW?
Not sure why Murray didn't take a look at him.
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=299611
fair enough 2:33.
Hopefully Karlsson's offence is enough to compensate for his defensive shortcomings - whether he has them or not. We play a ton of close games, and with Leclaire out, I don't think we can give up anything on the defensive side.
"THE BLACK TERROR said...
No way Karlsson gets traded Michael. It's far too early for them to be giving up on him yet, and I don't think Barker is enough return for Karlsson's potential. Seabrook maybe, Barker no."
Dude you have to be kidding me, Seabrook is a proven young defenceman in the NHL, far more valuable then Karlsson. Karlsson aint even scoring in Bingo, not hitting too.
We would be lucky to get Barker, but I highly doubt Chicago are after Karlsson.
SM
"Anyone else think Benoit Pouliot would have looked good on our 3rd line LW?
Not sure why Murray didn't take a look at him.
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=299611"
Ummmmm NO!
Did you see his stats, Murray did and said.......NEXT!
We have a number of players who are much better players, and much better prospects than Brian Lee. We have waited just about long enough. If he stays fine, but I will not be the least bit sad to see him go.
Camploi isn't going anywhere. We just traded away mcammond and a first-rounder for him and comrie, comrie left. Murray stated that he is extremely excited to have him.
Karlsson leaving? Ya right! 19 years old, top-prospect like him. If he gets traded, Murray will be run out of town!
@ Anonymous 2:50.
No value for Karlsson? 11 assists in 12 games is nothing! Get real.
Kyle - another thing Bryan Murray has said (regarding Lee) was "He's an NHLer now".
GMs are allowed to change their minds after a while. Campoli is expendable if a good offer comes up that includes him.
@ Kyle 3:04pm
So you think having 11 assists, a +/- of 0 and 0 goals to be valuable??!?!
Assists dont mean much, theres a reason they give out 2 of em.
And watching him play, most of them are the 2nd assist variety.
SM
SM & Kyle - Karlsson's value is in his upside, not his current stats or play. If a team believes he's going to improve a lot, he's valuable. If a team thinks this is all there is then he's not.
No need to bicker over second assists in the AHL.
A good player knows an assist is worth as much as a goal...
BTW, whats the blackhawks website with all the news and rumours? Its like senschirp but the blackhawks version
Anon 3:18
"Assists dont mean much, theres a reason they give out 2 of em."
That has to be the most assinine comment I have heard in a while.
Thanks for the laugh though
anon @ 2:27
so just because you don't get it, the move is inexcusable - boy do you have an over-inflated sense of your own self importance
using that as a yardstick I would guess the world is full of inexcusable things
You should be getting assists in the "A" and we don't know what type of assists they are; are they "2nd assists" are these assists on game-winning or game-tying goals, are they power-play assists, are they they padding his stats.
Basically, is Karlsson CLUTCH. He's Murray's guy so he'll see play, but I'm not convinced Karlsson is going to be a rock on our blueline for the next 15-20 years.
If Murray gets a killer deal that involves either Karlsson or Lee, go to it. Remember, players are property and assets first, sentimental favorites second.
If their is a trade for Karlsson in the works (and i don't think there is) this will be THE defining moment of Murray's tenure as GM, in the same way that Chara/Redden was Muckler's.
I don't know whether trading karlsson would be a good thing or a bad thing, but it would be a HUGE decision.
I think this was a good move. Think about it, if Volchenkov is back for this game he could be paired with Kuba on the second unit. That leaves Phillips and Karlsson. Imagine how much Karlsson can learn playing REAL minutes with a REAL defenceman. Good move.
Chirp, this is surprising but im guessing its because volch is coming back. This means that a strong veteran and strong defensive presence in kuba can align himself with karlsson like they had in the exhibitions where karlsson looked real good. karlsson needs that veteran that can help him when he makes mistakes. Thanks for the update!!
http://committedindians.com/
is the chi site for the one asking
Reading WAY too much into this move.
The Sens have 4 games out West - we NEED 7 D-men on the roster in case of injury.
I would expect Karlsson to watch & be reassigned after the team returns to the East coast.
Well then why not just bring Lee on the road trip?
Just dont understand triggering a deal on Karlsson's deal unless they expect him to stay up here the rest of the way...
anon @ 3:38:
no way anton gets put with Kuba once he is back. phillips and volchenkov should always be together. end of story. we tried the separation last year. and everyone saw the results.
Karlsson gets put with Kuba. with kuba taking care of defensive and offensive sides, while karlsson being just careful and using his offensive talents. gives us a solid puck moving d-pairing. right now, phillips and kuba have quite a few near-misses and some very blatant miscommunication incidents. luckily, they are both very good at correcting immediately and it never harms the team.
kuba's game is starting to get in the groove. i think karlsson would benefit most by playing with him. the beauty of kuba's game is its simplicity, poise and calmness. and that would be a great point for karlsson to start off at. might just be the reason he is getting called up. to get paired with kuba.
If the information about Hawks scouts being at the game last night is right, than it makes more sense why Picard played more than 26 minutes against the BJ. More than Phillips or Kuba. Then ,it makes no doubt in my mind that Picard is being traded very very soon.
Well Clouston said he wants Lee to play big mins so he'll be better if have to call him up again.
Hes not gonna be doing anything if hes just gonna watch.
On the other hand, karlsson can learn from watching. Although if he does play his contract will kick in.
I just heard on Team1200 that they have to send Lee back down because he was an emergency call-up for Volchenkov...
Boy oh boy, this is really getting the attention of many hockey fans, and all we know for sure is Karlsson Called Up - Lee Sent Down !!
Maybe trade , maybe never a trade ??
The suspense has Ottawa Fans on the Edge !!
Robert Cyr
SM, you don't understand what I was saying.
Karlsson has POTENTIAL, and you don't trade that away for nothing. At 19, there's isn't a measurable ceiling for how good he might end up being.
What I was saying is that if Murray was going to trade Karlsson's potential away, he would need to get a PROVEN commodity back. Like Seabrook. Since I'm sure Chicago doesn't want to give up Seabrook, and I'm sure Ottawa doesn't want to give up Karlsson, the trade will not happen. I wasn't suggesting that they should trade Karlsson for Seabrook, nor was I suggesting that either team would even entertain that. All I was saying is that Barker would not nearly be enough of a return to give Karlsson away for.
Read my whole post, try your best to understand it, then comment.
SM,
Yes, D-men generally get their points in they way of assists if they are shooting from the blueline, while others are tipping or deflecting it in. Those assists are as good as goals, not the tip passes in the neutral zone (I'm assuming that's what you're trying to get at).
Now go back to the children's table and let the adults discuss hockey.
yea, just what i said too SC. why are they triggering Karlsson's year, if its imminent that he will be the extra d-man on the trip, barring the trade of two d-men(campoli&picard) for 1 d-man.
puzzling. i dont know if just Lee's play warrants this kind of move.let's put it this way, it certainly wasnt bad enough to get demoted.
just brainstorming. but would anyone have a small doubt that this could be a melnyk triggered move. i remember the senators brass being big on karlsson when they were pitching season ticket sales for this year. you never know with owners. he also forced BM to sign Kovalev. while its obviously debatable if that was a signing really worth it or not. but still, melnyk is known to have pushed BM for it.
Just cause Karlsson is with the team doesn't mean he dresses and plays..If Volch is back then maybe K is an emergency 7th defenceman on a distant road trip, but gets to practice with the team and they can see if parts of his game have improved to the point that he is considered for the rest of the season...seems far fetched, but I can't figure out whats going on either. I'm a big fan of Lee and hope he isn't gone.
Karlsson isn't going anywhere. And for everyone who seems ready to trade him just remember, people doubted Brian Rafalski too. Same style player. Karlsson will be fine he's 19 people relax.
"That leaves Phillips and Karlsson. Imagine how much Karlsson can learn playing REAL minutes with a REAL defenceman. Good move."
Oh God no!
If you want to ruin the kids confidence sure, play em with Mr Mistake.
Karlsson was a bad pick im my opinion, I think Murray was dabbing in some of Muckler's CC before making this selection, I ses absolutely no upside to this kid.
The best he will become is a smaller version of Picard. His physicality is nil, toughness, I doubt he has any. In the NHL if you are not strong, you dont make it, this kid is a weakling.
SM
SM is obviously Jon Muckler. Trying to cut down Murrays picks to cover up for the Lee/Staal debacle, very childish Mr. Muckler
"Yes, D-men generally get their points in they way of assists if they are shooting from the blueline, while others are tipping or deflecting it in. Those assists are as good as goals, not the tip passes in the neutral zone (I'm assuming that's what you're trying to get at)"
As long as you believe yourself, thats all that matters.
I've been to a few B-Sens games and they aint the type of assist you are so adamantly trying to give him.
SM
I get you BT.
But you mentioned maybe Seabrook would be enough of a return for Karlsson's potential.
I would disagree, we've seen what he had to offer in 10 games with Ottawa, it wasnt very solid If it was even decent, then maybe I would agree since you never know how a decent rookie will turn out to be.
This has trade written all over it and I dont think it is Karlsson or Lee leaving.
SM
I am confused. Paultech (thanks) said that Lee was sent down because he was an emergency recall.
Ok, but why call up Karlsson. The news update on team1200 says that Karlsson will take the spot of Volchie OR Picard as both are questionable.
So what happens if neither Volchie or Picard can play? Why send Lee down at this time?
Am I missing something here?
PL
If Lee was an emergency call-up then he has to be sent back down before they can call him back up. The way Clouston is talking though that's not at all what it sounds like.
I've been to a few B-Sens games and they aint the type of assist you are so adamantly trying to give him.
This point needs to be highlighted
He is being groomed as an offensive defenceman
If his play/positioning/puckwork earn him an assist on a goal
He must then have made an offensive play
Keeping in mind that this type of defenceman is especially valuable on the powerplay
So, no, his assists are not as good as goals but he is making the right decisions
And his assists are definitely assets
If the team trades Karlsson, it would be the absolute dumbest move. The kid has played 9 games! I don't even think that the Leafs would run a top prospect like Karlsson out of town if he didn't shine in the spotlight.
Keep in mind, rookies often stumble out of the gate, it happens all the time: Hedman hasn't been making headlines in Tampa; and last year Stamkos had a brutal start; its not an indication of the kind of career the player will have.
This is most likely an attitude/work ethic thing.
Might already be linked but here:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/11/27/senators_volchenkov_debut/
1) Clouston says Karlson has improved his game and has been an impact player in bingo
2) Lee blows (his words, not mine)
3) Volchenkov's not back untill the San Jose game (still doesn't make sense... why not just keep Lee the extra game
In other news if this has already been pointed out sorry.. Lehner CHL goalie of the week had 3 wins and his first 2shutouts.
Turning heads everywhere tons of ppl around the O are super impressed with him.
Here's my prediction;.. Karlsson gets called up lol that's about it, ppl need to chill out here, the other day same thing happened when fisher didn't play! Everyone jumped up like omg he's gettin traded LOL
Get a grip folks!
anon 334, please tell all of us how you are convinced karlssonn WONT be a rock on our blueline in the next 15-20 years. Im not saying he is or he isnt. Time will tell, but if your already stating this comment quite confidently you must be a very high paid NHL scout.. get real buddy
my 2 cents
Brian Lee is getting some time down in the minors to play some big minutes and improve his game. Lee has been OK, but I think Clouston sees potential in him and wants to get it out of him.
Karlsson isn't going anywhere out of Ottawa unless he really doesn't pan out for some bizarre reason. So pulling him up and starting his contract is not a big deal. They are rewarding his development in the minors so Lee can go back down and improve. Depth is great.
Trade rumours; If they're trading I'd say Picard is a sure bet, while another player will be thrown in. It has to be a player that will equalize the dollar value of the plaeyr we're getting in return though. We are so close to the cap we don't have much wiggle room. So in the case of Barker we'd probably have to let a 2 million dollar player go, Kelly?
Regardless, I'm enjoying the Sens this year and Clouston's doing a good job with them. Its great to be in the top of the NE, even if it is only by 1 point.
Go Sens go!
Murray probably wants to Karlsson to be at Alfies for Christmas so he won't get homesick.
Thank you Matt.
STFU SM.
Trade Campoli for someone decent. Mabe add in Lee to make the deal more attractive...
Anyone ever consider that maybe they're calling up Karlsson to try to rejuvenate our god awful, 22nd ranked powerplay?
Maybe the Sens brass is thinking that Karlsson could bring a heavier, more accurate shot on the blueline on the PP. We don't have that big booming shot back there yet and obviously our PP is suffering because of it.
It's just a thought and makes sense...
I now have to concur that Karlsson's not going anywhere. Which is good.
Campoli, Picard and Lee all have expiring contracts.
It really seems like this is about a 2 for 1 trade, hence the need to bring up someone who is going to be around for the long haul rather than for the season alone.
HAHA..... the OILERS ARE GOING HEAD HUNTING ON HEATLEY. TWO MASSIVE HITS ON THE ASSHOLE ON THE SAME SHIFT. DEFINITELY SHOOK HIM UP. DIDNT SHOW UP FOR A COUPLE SHIFTS.
he is exactly the same clown still. floating in the slot, stick raised like a loose dick lol haha waiting for that one timer which never comes. just a stupid sitting duck. no way san jose wins the cup with heatley on their team. just no way. they have bad karma following them around .the 7-2 chi-town thrashing just proved it.
hopefully when the sens play, volchkie gives him a ride on the A-Train and makes him regret his move.
I wouldn't mind having Seabrook or Barker, even if that means giving up Volchenkov. I love Volchi, but I think we could use some more mobile D-men
Although I agree with many of you this seems like an odd move. One thing that I remember from early on, is Erik looked really good in the preseason (granted that is the preseason) when he played along Kuba. Soon as the season started Kuba was hurt, and Karlsson never looked the same. This although certainly biased towards karlsson may have really been an unfair first 9 game tryout for a guy with such a good preseason/overall potential. I'm glad to see him getting another shot, as we can't afford to have potentially 3 rookies next year (including Erik) on D. But sad to see it come at the expense of Lee instead of campoli, but that's the harsh reality of a 2 way contract.
karlsson has an accurate shot, but not a heavy shot. we already have three accurate and somewhat accurate shots in campoli, picard and kuba. they dont have a bomb, unless you start using volchkie's wayward blasts lol haha.
When will the organization give Mike Brodeur a chance?
Anon 7:12:
As dumb as that may seem, I wouldn't put it past Murray to do something like that. Part of the growing and grooming process.
hq, Karlsson has a boomer of a shot... it's both big and accurate. I don't know of another D man on our team with Karlsson's shot velocity.
This may be unfair to BLee but at the end of the day the NHL is not a fair place and he has a two-way contract. The fact is that Murray wants Karlsson to be with the big club. The kid may not be a big upgrade but he is good enough to play here and BLee will have some more time to develop in Bingo. Not the end of the world.
Let's hope the Eriks time in Bingo had the same impact on his game as it has Winchester.....if it does...we are golden.
Chirp,
I f he plays a gmae while up, how does this affect Karlsson's chances of playing in the junior's?
No wonder why we have a reputation as a city of fairweather fans, trade Karlsson or he's not going to be a rock on the d. OMG ladies, he's played 9 games ... enuff already. No wonder why we have stupid leaf fans trolling on our web blogs, go join them. They should have a website for you guys called: www.fairweatherhockeypuckboneheads.com
karlsson's not going anywhere, l+g's. But a deal has been worked out, regardless of whether or not any of you know about it. Waiting for a few details to be hammered out on their end of things. Looks good though, so you can all exhale. Unfortunately, it has absolutely nothing to do with phaneuf.
hq
You haven't watched him play. He has a BOMB!!!
Some of you people are crazy. Karlsson was THE OUTSTANDING DEFENCEMAN at the World Juniors in Ottawa for God's sake! Wake up. How can some of you say u see no upside. He'll be amazing in a couple of years. Chicago for sure would want him - they want to shed salary and would get another superstar two years from now. Does Ottawa do this I'm not sure. Imagine two years from now Karlsson and Cowen.
hq, although we cheer for the same team. get real man, hate Heater all you want for ditching the Sens, but why are you trying to tear his game down?
Hes been burrying the puck all year just like he did in Ottawa when you probably wore his name on the back of your jersey.
You sound like Leaf fan in denial.
Ponder this, there was a scout from Minny at the game on Thursday. Lee to the Wild or just advance scouting for the match-up in a few weeks? Lee is a home-town boy.
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