(UPDATE- 1:21 PM)- Things seem to have gone oddly quiet. Last I heard, Ottawa and Minnesota continue to explore possible trade options but nothing is set in stone at this point. There seems to be a belief something can be worked out but as of yet nothing to report.
The Sharks have yet to table another offer but everyone seems to think its coming. Nothing new out of the Rangers as they continue to work on inking Brandon Dubinsky. We'll see how this all unfolds as the afternoon rolls on.
Heading out to enjoy this weather a little bit but I'll have Blackberry in hand to post any updates I get.
(UPDATE- 12:09 PM)- I should probably clear up something about today's apparent deadline. If someone was to come to Murray with a deal he liked after today I'm sure he would accept it. The deadline is the cut off for trade negotiations involving Heatley. After today Murray will move forward with Dany Heatley on his roster and will make moves accordingly.
Could Heatley be moved after today? Obviously. Murray just won't be negotiating any trade after today. This has gone on long enough. The team needs to know what direction they are headed and prepare for the upcoming season accordingly.
(UPDATE- 10:56 AM)- As some of you have already pointed out there may be an issue getting Heatley to waive if a deal can be reached with the Wild. However there is no indication that Ottawa and Minnesota are any closer to a deal at this hour. The thinking is San Jose will make one last pitch at some point today but if Cheechoo is involved they can forget about it.
(UPDATE- 9:13 AM)- The Wild arent budging on Havlat. There does appear to be some flexibility to their deal but they aren't interested in including their free agent acquisition. Not surpising really.
Here we sit, the night before the deadline in the Dany Heatley sweepstakes and it sounds like the Minnesota Wild have tabled an offer that will be tough for Murray to turn down.
While the proposed deal does not include stud defenceman Brent Bruns, it does apparently include Mikko Koivu, Nick Schultz and Tyler Cuma. Rumours are there would be other pieces involved both on Ottawa's end as well as Minnesota's. Sounds like the swap could include a salary dump on Ottawa's end and potentially Colton Gillies coming back from Minnesota.
By all indications there is a very solid offer coming from Minnesota although Ottawa is trying to see if they can include Martin Havlat in the package. Even if the Wild decide not to include Havlat, they will still have a very legitimate offer on the table for Heatley.
The Buffalo offer remains the best tabled offer but word is it has already been turned down by the Heatley camp. Like Edmonton, Buffalo has presented an offer that Murray likes but that Heatley's camp does not.
If I had to rank the likelihood of the potential destinations at this point it would be as follows...
1) Ottawa
2) Minnesota
3) New York
4) San Jose
5) Buffalo
6) Edmonton
By all accounts the Canucks are officially out of the running.
More coming in the morning...
138 comments:
Koivu and Havlat for Heatley would be awesome! Here's hoping Heatley accepts the Minnesota deal.
i still want burns. although if we did acquire him, chances are i would never have the chance to see him play because i would die of happiness immediately upon the announcement of the trade.
I wish Brent Burns was in that deal, would make it look that much sweater.
havlat once agian a sen? murray beter make the deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
even without burns, koivu, shultz cuma AND possibly havlat somewhere in there is an unreal offer
if heatley turns this one down too, i say fuck off and see you in september.
i still want burns
I'd love for Havlat to be included in the deal. My favorite player returning would be great. Especially considering this time he would play on the first line and with Spezza the damage he could do is unreal. The sign and trade makes sense for them as well. Heater is much more stable health-wise and would make a good finisher for Koivu. Burns would also be exceptional but at his price and age I doubt they would ever consider moving him unless his concussion issues are very serious and they've kept it hush-hush.
I'm loving Murray's deadline. We are finally seeing actual offers and a little bit of a one-upping contest going on. The one thing I pray is that Murray absolutely refuses to leave the best deal on the table. If the Buffalo deal is better he should tell Heater it's Buff or nothing regardless of what Minny has put up.
Also can someone please tell me what all the hype is about Shultz? I mean 11 points for 3.5M? Am I missing something here? We already have two shut-down guys we hardly need another expensive 3rd version of that when our problem is PMD.
I usually trust everything you say without doubt since I know you've broken major trades in the past, but this one is ridiculous.
Have the Wild not learned anything from the Gaborik situation? You need players with loyalty who want to be on your team. Koivu is the face of that franchise and their top line center. Ottawa would definitely take this deal and run as far away as they can.
I'll have to see this one to believe it, Chuck Fletcher isn't that big of an idiot is he?
If this true, and it happens, I guess Saku made the right choice in not joining his brother in St Paul.
Wow, two more defensemen?? I can see them going for Cuma because of him being a 67 and all...why Schultz? Burns, Havlat, and a high pick for the win!
Sounds like a great deal for the Sens, even though Burns is not part of it. Will Heatley waive his NMC to go to the Wild. We shall see. Keep up the great work Senschirp.
that is a pretty awesome deal to me even without burns ... koivu, schultz, cuma and gillies... thats pretty awesome...
Havlat? Come on?? The Wild just signed him. I think you had too much to drink at the Stompin' Tom concert...
Who wants to bet that the Wild want Minnesota's own Brian Lee included in the deal?
I take that deal if burns is included, we dont need schultz have enough defensmen of his caliber.
Is looking 'sweater' a good thing?
don't hold your breath. I don't think Minnie is on his "list" of teams.
Heatley skates for Ottawa, IMO.
Oh boy! Wouldnt it be great to see Havlat come back and play 9 games!!!??
Yippee.
See, even if this offer is on the table, He will probably reject it.
So don't get too excited people.
See you in Ottawa Dany "F***in" Heatley.
Are you guys nuts?
There's no way we could take on Havlat and Koivu. That would put us over the cap even more!
I like the idea of Koivu. 3.25 cap hit. 67pts last year. Has lead the team for a few years without much recognition. That's the guy we want.
I say the deal is good if Schultz is substituted for either Burns or Zidlicky. Nothing less.
I think I have to call bs on this one. I am pretty sure Koivu is untouchable in Minny and even if they were willing to trade Havlat after they signed him which I doubt with the way Koivu played last year i really doubt Murray would rather have Havlat.
Oh and here's another question: if we get Koivu or Havlat (dream on) what happens to the left wing? With Heatley gone, all we have left is:
Foligno, Ruutu and Schubert
That's thinner than Rob Zamuner's hair...
Jesus Christ, why can't we shoot for the moon here and demand Brent Burns, rather than settle for the other pieces. Not saying the other players aren't good, but we're trading a 50 goal scorer here!
So Heatley won't go to Edmonton or Buffalo, but would waive for Minnesota? I would be shocked.
Mikko Koivu, Nick Schultz and Tyler Cuma....
our current and future defense would be amazing
Koivu and Schultz...I make that deal. To get our 2nd line center and a 2/3 defenceman is great news. Foligno stays on the second line and now we're just looking to pick up a top line left winger.
-kw
Harman - do the math on your deal - no way it would work. That has us taking on salary. Remember the cap? Yeah... the cap.
Koivu, Schultz, Cuma and a 1st round pick for Heatley and Schubert
That looks good.
Guys Havlat just signed with Minni... they are not trading him away. Wake up.
I want Burns, but at least we get a potential top 2 D-man and a #2 centre. I would consider that offer most definately.
Heater will not accept anything but San Jose...he decides the outcome of his fate.
I doubt Havlat would be involved, they just signed him after all, but I do like the proposed trade with MIN as it is listed here. I think it leaves them a bit thin at center though, so I would expect to see a center go back to them from Ottawa. Either way, to me this looks to be his only option, besides showing up in camp. Should be an interesting day.
Is Minnesota on the 'list'?
Honestly, at this point, being a GM, I would give Heatley away for 1st and 2nd round picks which frees up 7.5M and then i would sign Afinogenov and Comrie. I've got a solid team with some great picks for next year.
No Burns? He's gotta be included. What's with all the deals offering up filler. No GM's are willing to pay - just keep the cry baby and make him play.
Please let this be the last day that we have to mention the name Dany MEatley in the context of the Ottawa Senators! The thought of this guy asking for a trade and only to a select number of nice weather/nice ambiance locations (while keeping a $7.5M salary) is quite frankly annoying.
I would like to see that deal happen the Senators need to add size to there forward group and Colton Gillies has the size and maybe the potenally be the Senatos power foward.
So hopefully that deal is true and it happens.
Havlat!! SWEET!!!
Would heachoo even go to minny? Hopefully. That deal could be the best yet. I personally like the koivu deal anyway, but getting burns would be even better. I'm just praying that by midnight heachoo is no longer a senator....
pg
So the deal as you are hearing it would send, Koivu, Schultz, Cuma and Gilles for Heatley+whoever/salary dump.
Burns would be great as would Havlat, but I don't think either would be coming in a package like that. Havlat certainly won't be going anywhere.
Depending on what the "+" is going to minny, I wouldn't mind seeing Clutterbuck in a Sens uni.
Koivu (3.25M) and Shultz (3.5M) = 6.75M
With Spezz, Koivu and Fisher, I assume Kelly would be the salary dump since no one is paying 2.2M for a 4th line center.
I like Havlat (5M), but I don't like when players come with the "if he can stay healthy" warning. Sure he played 81 games last year but averages 47 GP per year since the lockout. Also Havlat is a RW. So are Alfie and Kovalev.
Roy = Koivo
Myers > Cuma
Paille < Schultz
I would go with Minny for sure - not sure heatley would though...
This deal sounds good, but it might be better if we could include Havlat instead of Koivu. Anyhow, this deal gives us some pretty good depth with our lines. And I really like Cuma.
Might be better if we had some natural left wingers though.
Its likely that this deal will still not go down. I don't think this offer is as strong as either Buffalo or Edmonton's and unless BM gets a deal of that caliber from Min, SJ or anyone else, its sad to say we will be seeing Mr. Heatley back with the Sens one way or another.
Anyone deal with Minnesota should include at least Koivu + one of Burns, MA Bergeron, or Zidlicky, otherwise I still don't like this deal.
Heatley + Kelly + Picard for
Koivo, schultzz, cuma and gillies
Foligno - Spezza - Alfie
Tanguay - Koivo - Kovalev
Shannon - Fisher - Neil
Ruutu - Regin - Winchester
Kuba - Schultz
Phillips - Volchenkov
Campoli - Lee
(send schubert to waivers)
seems like a contending lineup
In the end, after offers are upped and the bidding war is over,
To Ottawa: Gillies, Koivu, Burns.
To Minnesota: Lee, Heatley, Schubert.
That's my prediction.
a lot of you seem to be over looking Gillies in this deal and that a salary dump would happen as well. We get our 2nd line center, we get a top notch D, we get a prospect, we possibly get a future Top 6 in Gillies. We get cap room. That's one of, if not the best deals offered to date.
I'm sure if a deal goes down with Minny, Murray tries to get Burns, but if he can't this deal is solid. Don't think for a second that if this (or something similar is the deal) that Murray didn't try to get Burns.
to minnie
heatley
kelly
picard 10.7
to ottawa
koivu
miettinen
cuma
gilles 7.5
this solves all our problems and with cuma, wiercoch, karlsson, and cowen, we are set on defence for the next decade.
Would Shultz+Cuma+Brian Lee = Burns?
Heatley and Lee
+ pick for Koivu and Burns?
i would assume that murray was trying to upgrade to havlat...so what part of the package was he trying to upgrade??
Pringles - where did Tanguay come from? And in what world is Foligno a 1st line left winger?
Hey Chirp,
Havlat is not in the deal, but what about Burns, is he still a possibility? Could the deal possibly include Koivu and Burns?
ANON 9:07....Zidlicky would be nice, Burns won't happen and as far as I know MA Bergeron is a UFA.
ANON 9:12...how in the hell do you think this or any deal frees up enough cap space to sign Tanguay? Why would you want to sign Tanguay?
I agree with the comments that I would find it surprising if Heatley considers going to Minnesota, while rejecting Edm and Buf. I am not saying Min is a shit town, but its no San Jose.
Also, dont expect Havlat back in return for Heatley. They pretty much the franchise tag on him, so they wont move him and IMHO we dont want him back.
Great job SensChirp. I love this blog.
TODAY IS GOING TO BE A ECSTATIC DAY SENS FANS! GEAR UP! today might be the day!! im just waiting to see tsn announce Heatley trade!! i will be here for liek the whole day! KEEP US UPDATED SC! your doing a great job, i really do wish you will be doing better than Eklund.. fame terms
JC, any word if Heatley will agree to a move to Minnesota?
Thanks for the updates.
Hey SensChirp,
Any word on whether Heatley would actually accept a move to Minny?
@ Cake
I agree completely..
Only if we could get Burns though as well.. We could throw in Picard and Smith..
We really have a lot of dead weight in Ottawa that needs to be dispersed of if we're ever going to make it back to the cup finals.
Anon 9:21
Am glad you do not negotiate for us. You are trying to give them more than they are asking for. Why do you not add Kovalev to make sure we get Burns. (dripping sarcasm) Koivu and Burns are not worth Heatley and Lee let alone all the other stuff you are offering plus a pick.
If, and that is a huge if, Heatley even considers Minn, I would be very happy with Koivu, Burns, Cuma, and Gillies but would still do the deal if Burns is not there (replaced by another reasonable asset). Plus the deal would have to include at least one of Kelley and/or Shubbie on them.
...and so they shouldn't give up Havlat. They signed him, they're paying him, he's one of their big names now. I think OTT would be doing really good to get the Koivu/Schultz/Cuma return, and possibly Gillies as well. Even if OTT had to send Lee the other way, big deal. That would give OTT 4 stud d-prospects in their system, with Karlsson, Wiercioch, Cowen, and Cuma.
If Heatley will agree to go to MIN, then I think Murray should pull the trigger.
Wishful thinking but there's no way in Hell (IMO) that Heatley wants to move to Minny.
Personally, I think the SJ offer is better than Minnys. Miko Koivu is the only big piece coming back from Minny. He is a good player, but I'd rather have Vlasic. Maybe people don't know the name as much as Koivu's, but I watch SJ a lot and he is already one of the top 10-15 defensive defenseman in the league, and he's only 21. Which is why I really doubt that Doug Wilson offered him up. I think there's no way in hell Doug Wilson would trade him. But if he is, he's a more valuable piece than Koivu because he also has some offensive abilities, and plenty of upside. Plus you get Cheechoo, who will guaranteed score 20 or more goals on a second line. Mcginn is a solid prospect, top 6 potential. The SJ offer really is better. I think OTT fans are just jumping at any new offer because they've heard about Cheechoo and the SJ offer for so long that any new offer comes along with a top 6 forward, they automatically think it's a better offer without even analyzing it deeply. But when you do think about it, SJ's offer is still better.
SENSCHIRP, I know you post updates as you get them so asking you to post an update on the SJ offer wouldn't make much sense, but I hope you find an update on that asap and post it. Thanks for keeping us updated!
Brent Burns for Heatley, straight up, no questions asked. please and thank you.
auf wiedersehen.
Wake up people. They probably wont be willing to deal Koivi OR Burns. You really think they'll trade BOTH? They are the cornerstones on forward and D respectively.
@Annon. August 14, 2009 8:05 AM
"I would consider that offer most definately."
Are you Glenn Kulka?
If Shultz is not a good PMD then it's a really bad deal for us unless were intending to say goodbye to A-Train or Phillips. I don't see how we can take on 3.5M per year for 5 more years for a D that does a job we already have filled. Throw in Lee and make sure we get Burns and now were talking. Unless someone out here in the comments section knows something about Shultz that I don't and can tell me why he's worth 3.5M if he cant move the puck well.
Also I'm well aware Havlat is unlikely to be included, it just feels more likely than Koivu. Koivu is the face of their franchise and he is the set-up guy. If they trade him they have two good wingers and maybe get by but they would be so thin down center ice it's nuts.
Yes Havlat was just signed, but he is also injury prone and has history playing in Ottawa. Heatley is obviously the better player - and he's almost never hurt. That alone could be enough to entice them. I suppose it all doesn't matter much anyways. Heatley will probably veto this deal just like everything else.
Heatley > Koivo
Kelly < Schultz
Picard < Gillies
Smith < Nolan
koivu is a first line centre on an amazing contract, that solves a problem for us right away.
cuma is a future top 4 defender.
shultz is a top four, potential top 2 defender.
gilles is a potential top 6.
It is a fantastic deal.
Don't forget the Heater kybosh.
All the deals above sound lovely but if you've ever been to St. Paul I think you'll agree, it's not a preferred destination for anyone let alone his Highness.
Never mind guys who are 'going to be..' top 4 top 6 whatever.
We needs guys who are there now. If Murray trades Heatley for potential I doubt we make the playoffs
I'm guessing both teams would not be going through all of this if Dany wouldn't play there? Unless Murray just wants to be able to say thay he did everything he could!
We need both "now" guys and "gonna be" guys. Koivu and Schutz fit category 1 as a top centre and top 2 d-man, and the future watch has gillies and cuma, who both could be in the mix next year (although gillies may have a shot this year)
If Heatley accepts.....but he may. One problem with Buff and Edm is that he couldn't hide from the media there (with Buff so close to T.O)....Minnesota is a little more off the track.
Heatley + Lee for Bruns + Koivu. I'd hit that....
In what universe in Nick Schultz a top pairing D man ?
He's be fighting Brian Lee for the Number 4 spot here in Ottawa.
So we get a good 2nd line center and a number 4/5 'D' (in Ottawa anyway because he isn't playing ahead of Philips/kuba/Volchenkov) + a modest prospect.
/Transaction declined
kinda off topic but if smith could be on long term IR - can he be traded?
anon@ 9:59am
What is making you think the SJ offer is better?? Cheechoo has never been the same since his 56 goal season, and likely never will be again. Just look at his declining numbers and injury issues over the past few seasons. Koivu >> Cheechoo.
Vlasic would certainly be nice to have but keep in mind we’re trading away a 50 goal scorer and it’s more important that we get a top forward like Koivu, who has yet to hit his prime, in return, not another d-man. We have Cowen, Karlsson, Wiercioch coming up in the next few seasons, so we’re loaded on defence already. Getting Schultz as the d-man is good enough.
Get this deal done Murray!
I guess everything will be declined then, because no team will offer up better than their top centre, top 4 d, and 2 of their top prospects, while still taking on more cap than they are giving up.
re:Smith
I don't think he's on LTIR (yet). I think it's just assumed/rumored that he'll start the season there if he's still a Sen. If another team wants to take him, and has the cap space, then LTIR isn't necessary since he may be healthy enough to start practicing etc.
Chirp??
Cheeechooooo
Hax,
Yea its just rumoured he will start on Long Term IR at this point. Nothing official yet. He can be dealt
burns, pmb/koivu, gillies, cuma
for
heatley, kelly, lee
Hey Chirp,
Any chance of Burns and Koivu?
Where's Gliiix? Or PeteR? Sleeping with the fishies???
Heatley 7.5,Kelly 2.1,Schubert 8k and Lee 1.2=11.6 mil
for
Havlat 5,Koivu 3.2,Gillies 1=9.2mil
save 2.4 million and bring back 2 top 6 fowards and a future top 6 and give up hands of stone Kelly,overrated Lee,and give Heatley what he wants and gives Schubert chance for more playing time.
http://www.sportstalkbuzz.com/index.php/nhl/ottawa-senators/901-heatley-and-lee-to-minny
Anon 10:02, Heatley is more of a cornerstone than Koivu ever will be, so yes it is definitely possible that Minnesota will deal one of them to get Heatley. If a team doesn't want to trade one of their cornerstones in this deal, why the hell are they even involved, Murray would accept nothing less.
I want nothing to do with Havlat, he's incredibly exciting but an injury concern and undisciplined at really bad times. It doesn't have to be Koivu but Burns definitely has to be in there in my opinion.
Anon 11:35:
You must be on the short bus. In fact, you're the leader of the helmet squad and you're about to loose your pokeman cards to the girl with the braces and glasses.
Hold someone's hand when you cross the road.
Nothings going to get done. I like how everyone assumes there is an imposed 'deadline', when no major media outlet has made any mention of it or even whispers of it.
Sorry folks, you're wasting your time thinking about this....
In other news, Dany Heatley remains a Senator.
LOL, OMG. LAMO anon 11:50am
Going to hell in a hand basket my friend.
I thought Jesse Litsch of the Jays was the leader of the helmet, white shoes squad.
You Sens fans must be out of your gourds if you think that trade is real. The Wild is going through a reorganization, and we're going to trade two cornerstones and our top prospect for Heatley? Keep dreaming.
Kevin Lee is the biggest loser I have ever seen. Ranting about not giving credit to him...LOL - he knows fuck all about what's going on and all he knows how to do is report bogus rumors. No wonder nobody gives him credit, because he has no credability.
Hey Anon 11:53. If Chirp says Murray set a deadline then he did. GTFO if you haven't been following. Obviously TSN isn't going to report anything except confirmed trades. Your post is just a waste of space.
Why wouldn't he go to Minny? Didn't he play college there? I'm still not getting my hopes up. It seems like every time I get excited about something happening, nothing happens.
Kevin Lee is reporting deadline for a trade has been extended through the weekend, and that Murray wants to have a press conference on Monday to announce either a trade or we're keeping Heatley.
He is also saying the the only confirmed names in a deal are Heatley and Lee, as well as Schultz and Cuma. The other players involved are still being worked out.
To Anon at 12:12,
Tell me about it. This has been exhausting
Anon at 11:35 sportstalkbuzz = kevin lee = thrown off of Ek's site for being rubbish = reliable as a chocolate fireguard.
Chirp,what's the latest?Has SJ made an offer?What do you think they will offer?
Anyone else mentally exhausted from hearing about Heatley?! I seriously would trade him for a bag of pucks right now and use that money closer to the trade deadline or to sign a free agent.
Just leave already...
Chirp, are your sources telling anything about Burns being involved instead of Schultz or Koivu, is it possible that Koivu and Burns could both be invloved?
is it true that kevin lee was fired by the sens
does Murray still want sheppard and burns??
I really hope that Schultz isn't part of this deal. He makes too much and he seems to be the kind of defenseman we already have here in Picard or Lee.
Not interested.
I can't imagine they'd move Burns, but of course, that is my hope. And I LOOOOOOOVE Koivu, bring him on!!!!!!!!!!! That's the 2nd line Center we need here and that we've been searching for for so long.
Screw Havlat, Screw Shultz...
If the Sens can get Koivu, Cuma & Gillies our future would look even brighter.
Sens4Life.
This is for pantsboyusa..
This is for you, Why come here and say that.. are all of you minny fans this dumb and have no logic about this game? You come here and talk without a spec of intelligence.. Listen we are not giving your team a 6th Round pick! okay? We are giving you a legitimate superstar.. In order to get something you have to give something back, fair enough? So rumours have it minny doesnt want to give one of their big guns and great defence man, Okay, so give up draft pick and young prospects.. and your going to come in and say no.. we need those guys so keep dreaming... Okay then what the F***? I hate it when fans like that who dont know squat about the game and how it works.. they get on the internet and just completely talk right out of their ass like they know something.. Hey man stick to hot dog eating contests and car racing.. like seriously.. i think most american fans are like this, think they know everything about it even though they started liking the sport probably a couple years ago.. pathetic.. just a complete stigma to the game..
All this doesn't even matter, Heatley won't accept a trade to anywhere but SJ, it's quite apparent that he's more than willing to sit this out and see if BM will blink first (which he won't). He will still be with the Sens come training camp, but he won't show and he won't play in the olympics this year either. Game Over Heatley, say bye bye to your career.
Chirp,
Sorry for asking this again, but it hasn't been answered yet. Can Burns be included in the deal? Or is he an "untouchable"?
Lmfao, are you guys for real? MN would NOT trade away their best players for a guy that can score 50 goals. I don't care who it is. Chuck Fletcher isn't stupid enough to trade away Havlat either without even giving him a season to play here in MN. Claiming that someone is talking about trading a guy they signed only a month ago to a 6 year contract is a ridiculous claim on anyone's part. Bottom line, Wild will do everything they can to maintain Koivu and Burns when their contracts expire because they are a huge part of the team. Koivu is the face of the franchise as it stands now, they wouldn't trade away a player of his calibur, especially not after the season he had last year. If Wild management is stupid enough to do that (like previous management *coughDRcough*), they don't deserve to hold a job with the organization.
Cake,
I wouldnt say untouchable. The Wild are definitely trying to find a way to put together a package without including him though.
I for one would love to have Brent Burns on this team. If there is anyway Murray can have him included he should do it.
Kevin Lee never worked for the Sens
Wow! So it's a deadline that's not really a deadline? So, in effect, you've been saying nothing for a week and trying to create news so as to get hits.
What happened to your blog?
You know what Anon 1:21 just shut up. You're not the GM of Minny last I checked so how the F*** do you know? Nobody here is saying it's overly likely we'd get Havlat we're just saying that it is a possibility. Heater is a superior player to Havlat and he has no injury issues.
Ever heard of one Marian Hossa? I seem to recall he signed a 3 year contract extension with Ottawa and was then immediately traded for Heatley? It does happen. The strongest reason for it not to happen is because it could make future UFA's wary of signing with the franchise.
I don't think it's likely he will be moved from Minny but sometimes when you have a chance to get a player like Heatley with no injury problems and great numbers you have to take it. There was a reason we dealt Hossa after signing him. Heatley is a very special player.
Pantsboyusa don't quit your day job. You are the prototypical example of the fan who thinks all his players are untouchable and that you can somehow get great players in a trade without giving anything up. Guess what. The pieces you think are too valuable to give away are the only pieces we'd be interested in. You don't just get to trade your crap and take our superstar. Freaking moron.
i wouldnt mind getting owen nolan, koivu and cuma for heatley and picard or schubert straight up that would be awsome.
To Anon @ 1:07
Am I really the moron here? I laid out the reasons why the Wild wouldn't even be in Heatley in the first place. There is no logic in trading your future for a 50 goal scorer when you aren't ready to compete today. And especially if trading for that player leaves in an even worse position to compete than when you started. The Wild, if they make the playoffs (big IF), will be as the 8th seed. If they acquire Heatley, lose Koivu and Schultz, they won't make the playoffs at all, plus they are screwed cap-wise long term. The Wild don't have a lot in the cupboard as far as prospects go. THEY ARE REBUILDING.
You Canadian think you know it all when it comes to hockey. All you see is a great trade for your team, and don't think at all about how it makes any sense for the other team. So, instead of creaming your pants thinking about an incredible deal for your team, take a step back and think about the situation rationally, and you'll realize how f***ing absurd this rumor is.
I can't see Heatley waiving his no trade to go Minny. So I think this is all wishful thinking on our part. He is holding out for SJ and Doug W. knows it. Hold tough Murray and don't give him away to SJ, Doug W. can go and fuck himself and his underperforming team. I hope this ends soon, we don't deserve this as an organization and fan base.
straight up koivu zidlicky and cuma for heater and lee would be decent
At this point, I'll go ahead and say that Heatley is a Sen come training camp. He will NOT show up at Team Canada orientation camp and I don't think he's going to sit out the season. If he does that, he can kiss his career goodbye, period.
We'll have a slick, sexy team with him staying here. If Minny or SJ can't get a deal done, it's their loss as well. I can see us landing in possibly the 5th or 6th spot in the East, come the end of next season.
"I for one would love to have Brent Burns on this team. If there is anyway Murray can have him included he should do it."
100% agree Chirp. This kid would immediately become our #1 defensemen and improve our D-corps tenfold. As soon as Burns' name pops up (if it does) Murray should make it a done deal.
I am a big fan of Burns to, but I don't think there's any way Minnesota includes him in any sort of big package -- perhaps Burns could be had along with a draft pick or prospect, but that's it and that would be fair value.
I almost prefer the idea of getting Koivu, Schultz, and Minnie's top two prospects for Heatley and whomever. We're not loading up for a Stanley Cup run this year, and this trade automatically improves our depth and future greatly.
My only worry with this potential trade is including Lee to Minnie. I really don't want to give up on this guy yet, and he has the potential to be a better d-man than Schultz. Well, that worries me and the fact that it's extremely unlikely Heatley approves a deal to Minnesota.
all you folks asking for brent burns are dreaming; it'll never happen.
If a trade happens at all, it'll be some crappy SJ offer. sorry to burst your bubbles.
common Murray get something done end this bullshit. Heatley stays he might produce like we no he can but the media attention will be sickening getter done Murray!!
things have gone from oddly quiet to disturbing loud.
heading home now, blackberry cant handle all the trade chatter i am picking up
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Senschirp,could you do me a favour. I like your format for including updates but could you put some sort of a signature at the end of each post to indicated there the updates end and the previous blog begins.
It could be as simple as a ** at the end of each update. Please take this into consideration.
Thank you
Ek now saying the Sharks have "unofficially" pulled out of the Heatley race.
Here's another thing that makes no sense about that trade:
The Wild is thin at center. Why would we trade our #1 center? So Heatley can play with Belanger or Sheppard? I don't think so.
Someone mentioned that you have to give up a cornerstone to get a cornerstone. Except when you look at the trade Murray was willing to accept from Edmonton. Penner, Smid & Cogliano. Which of those, exactly, is considered a cornerstone?
I find it hilarious when fans of other teams come on here repulsed at the thought of actually giving up some sort of asset to acquire one of the best goal scorers in the game. "We would NEVER give up that player, they are soooo important!!!" Yes, so is Heatley, in fact, unless your player is one of about 5 or so in the game chances are Heatley's a lot more important. If you don't want Heatley on your team, fine, but the fact is there are rumours about your team being involved. If that's the case, accept the fact that you might actually have to give something up to get him. What are you expecting to deal for him, one of your 3rd liners, a 3rd pairing defenseman and a 7th round pick? Come on, give your heads a shake. If your team wants him they'll have to pay for him, Murray has already shown that by turning down the laughable San Jose offers.
SENSCHIRP,
Eklund says the sharks have moved on from Heatley and are shifting their focus to Kessel. Is this true? Please address this. Thank you
zzzz Hopefully nobody has burnt there Heatly jerseys yet.... looks like he will be back.
When did this become "my team is better than your team"?
Minny is one of the better hockey markets in the US. Some fans there have been following hockey a loooong time.
True, nobody will get Heatley for nothing, and true, Heatley is not really what Minny needs right now - but who knows? To me, the only asset that makes sense for Minny to deal is Havlat since they need centermen and can't really give up MK (without going shopping right after). I like Chris Kelly but he's not going to replace MK for the Wild. So while it's odd to sign a guy then trade him, it could happen if they feel it's an upgrade. And the Hossa-style sign-and-trade is not a good comparision since he wasn't changing teams and it was sign-and-trade, not sign-press conference-sell some jerseys-take some photos-and-trade.
I was saying 'Boourns'
pantsboyusa: The Edmonton offer was crap and before the SENS paid Heatley the 4 million on July 1st, any deal with Edmonton is 'different' now and Murray even said so.
Now, tell Chuck to get real and offer us Burns or Koivu as part of a trade scenario, or we have nothing to talk about.
Anon @ 2:51 - He did address it by saying they made an offer.
Is there a reason why everyone tries to include Picard in their deal? Am i the only one that thinks Lee should go. He's not at all at the nhl level. He's slow and gets frustrated quickly and after trying him for 2 years - i think it's pretty clear is far from being ready.
This was one bad choice as 1st round pick when we could've grab kopitar - but BM rarely makes those mistakes!!
Anyway we should try to dump Lee and Shubert in the deal with heatley. Smith should retire unless someone would grab him which i doubt. Kelly should only be the last resort if a salary dump is needed. I'm pretty sure that Fisher and Kelly will get back on track this here! As for Picard, he's not the best, but for his price he's worth it. And being from here, he actually wants to be here and plays with heart every shift. Every time i saw the Lee it just doesn't feel right, and you can predict that every 4-5 shifts he'll take a bad penalty since he not fast enough and gets frustrated to easily.
There is a big difference from giving up something to get something and just plain old getting hosed. This deal doesn't make the Wild better, in fact like Pants suggested, it would make the Wild step backwards IMO. So who's more nuts the guy that thinks Heatley should bring world class return when the entire league thinks he is cancer or the guy that sees that if the Wild make that deal the team got taken? Not to mention, the Sens took the Oilers offer. The Wild know what it would take to get the player, why would they offer players like Koivu, Burns, or Havlat? It makes no sense. pantsboy is right, this trade, if it ever happened, would be highway robbery. As 3rd party that could care less one way or another I think if anyone has to question thier hockey sense here rather then rant about Americans it would be "Anonymous".
Pantsboyusa once again you're a moron. I do think about both sides of the deal very rationally. If Minny is trading for Heater it's because they want him to be their franchise player. You'd have to give something up that we need to get that. I doubt Koivu would be traded but that's why Havlat becomes a possibility.
Havlat + Burns + Prospect
for
Heatley + Lee
Minny gets a star player who stays healthy + a home grown talent. Sens get a decent prospect, a very good PMD, and good scoring forward who has some injury troubles.
It's a fair deal for both teams. You could substitute Koivu for Havlat if you want but I agree with you that it's difficult for Minny to trade him.
I also agree that it's tough to envision a Heatley trade that greatly improves Minny. They are more likely to move sideways. However having a superstar that can actually stay healthy might put more butts in the seats and when it comes down to it the NHL is a business.
@Anon 3:41
Am i the only one that thinks Lee should go
Yes, it's just you. The rest of us see Brian Lee's potential. We also note that Picard has been given the chance to show he could realize his own potential by both the Lightning and Flyers before getting the same chance with the Senators. He's way down the depth chart now.
At hambown,
You must see something i don't! Picard played less than Lee, but still has better stats. The guy doesn't get constantly frustrated because he can't follow the paste of the nhl which always end up in ridiculus penalty. Picard is a little bigger than Lee. A lot more mature and dispiclined. A better puck handler and shooter. More of a all around player. A better shooter and scorer and a good support on powerplay. I guess you can disregard the fact that he also has better stats than Lee, even after being injured and missing some games. And he makes less thant Lee. But yeah sure, after 2 years of trying a young Lee that doesn't improve, make more money, his production is less, a bad attitude and no discipline....yeah...we see his potential! haha! When someone reach 22 and you gave him a few chances and he still doesn't do the job and didn't improve...what freaking potential are you talking about! In the minors it looks like he had potential....a few years back! The guy almost makes a 1million per year...
I guest we all have different point of view!But Lee ? This guy will never be a top D.
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