UPDATE (2:45 PM)- It should come as no surprise but apparently part of the reason for the request has to do with Coach Clouston. Heatley was unhappy with his role under the Senators new bench boss and that influenced his decision. Give me a freakin' break. Rumour has it Heatley may also want to be closer to the lady in his life. So long Dany...
UPDATE (1:15 PM)- I have had a chance to ask around and this is the real deal. Heatley has indeed asked for a trade out of Ottawa.
This one has kind of caught me off guard. A few weeks back a source suggested to me that I keep an eye on Dany Heatley this off season and I was pretty quick to dismiss it.
Now, comes a story from EJ Hradek of ESPN that says the Senators sniper may be looking for a change of scenery.
I'll continue to chase this down this afternoon.
For those interested I will be live blogging Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Finals tonight for The Score. You can bet online we will talk Heatley during the intermissions! Stop by if you get a chance.
http://liveblogs.thescore.com/Event/Stanley_Cup_Final_-_Red_Wings_vs_Penguins_-_Game_6
134 comments:
It's definitely surprising, but not entirely unexpected when you look at how he played this year. He just didn't seem himself.
Of all the players on the roster, this is the guy that Murray could get the most for. He could afford to take a contract back, so any trade would be of the blockbuster type.
If I was a betting man, I'd say Calgary might be the logical destination.
How about Heatley for Phaneuf and Calgary's 1st?
Wow, this would be a huge blow to the team. Heatley is our goal scorer, and if he leaves, one would have to question the point of having Spezza and Alfie around, as the infamous "CASH" line would no longer exist. The only upside to this is that we would be getting rid of a very slow and one dimensional player. Heatley's contract would allow us to acquire a couple top six forwards, or even go after J-Bo. I personally would not want to see Heater leave, but if he does, it opens up some interesting possibilities.
I told you douches that Heatley wanted out of Ottawa.
Jim Travers
IF this is true, and that's a big IF, then it really tells you that things must have changed dramatically this past year.
Heatley was in his UFA year, the year before last, and made a long term commitment to the club when he could have gone to any team in the league.
He obviously made that commitment because he wanted to be here. If the story is true, then his feelings have changed.
If he wants out, could Spezza be far behind? What UFA would want to sign here if the high end talent wants out?
If this story is true, I think we're looking at the implosion of the Ottawa Senators.
Quite frankly, if you have talent, why would you want to be part of the Sens? The owner is always under investigation with the law. The GM has never won anything. The new coach is more or less unproven. The stars are constantly bashed by the inept media. And the long-time President, who has a great reputation for doing a good job, is about to be thrown out.
In short, in Ottawa of late, the talent gets thrown under the bus while the mediocre elements are rewarded.
Things use to be different.
So get rid of him...he wont do anything when he leaves anyway!!
this sucks
its tough being a sens fan these days :(
i guess this is what its like being a toronto fan. sucks.
Not super surprising, as sensbuzz reported trade rumours involving Heatley and the Avs about a week ago. It makes sense, and he is kind of treading water here in Ottawa. I'd love to trade him to a Western Conference team, getting back a good top 6 player under contract, plus a nice defensive prospect & pick. Hey Avs, let us have the #3 pick!
I have been saying all along that the expensive contract to move was Heatley so this is just fine with me.
Heatley is a one-dimensional player with no heart, he was given the 'A' this season and showed virtually no desire to step up his game or provide any leadership.
Unlike others who see this as doom and gloom I see it as a golden opportunity to get out from underneath that contract and retool the roster.
Why would he want out of Ottawa after signing long term WITH a no trade clause. What the **** happened!
At first I made a disgusted sad face.
But as I thought of it, I thought of the positives. Albeit the positives are only there if this team moves in the right direction decision wise.
But if we can get some sort of combination of top 4 D-Man, Prospects, Top-Six forward, draft picks, and cap space, we can really move forward. Sure, he's talented, but with cap-space we can build a more balanced team. On top of that, we can accelerate the rebuilding process with picks and prospects.
This only benefits the team if they can make the most of it.
Real reason?
Family and personal preferences. He's got a spread in the Okanagan, he's got family in Calgary, and certain personal pressures (ahem) are pulling him towards the area served between LA and Calgary.
Let me give you a hint, it's going to be somewhere that gets you to Kelowna non-stop on a NetJets flight.
read ottawa sun him and clouston had some differences
Folks, please remember that while losing Heatley will stink, it opens up a big opportunity to make some moves for scoring depth. That's a big contract, and the Senators could take on salary by moving it. The kind of return they'll get for trading Heatley will be big.
The Senators ship is not sinking, it's just changing directions. Considering how tough things have been since the SCF's, maybe a new direction isn't so bad.
I'll be sad to see him go, but I'm excited to see what the return is going to be, and there's no reason to think that they won't be a deeper and tougher team as a result of this move.
Open the door for Hossa? ... well, maybe not!
You would have to think the LA Kings will be a player in all this.
OMG, lets swing a three qay deal with heatleys western conference team and NYI or John Tavares, we would have JT at 1 million/year for a few years and we could bring on a 6 million dollar contract as well.
JC, what's happening behind the scenes? i mean something must have happened that we don't know about for heatley to just change his mind and decide he wants out after just signing a long term deal. Does he not get along with Clouston like the sun reports?
Dustin Brown and the fifth overall?
Yup, the Kings can afford him and they are very deep in young talent.
This generation's stars got to the Stanley Cup Final, had their shot, and lost. Most hockey teams have talent that comes in generations. The team has a shot, and then the shot disappears. The team either atrophies or rebuilds.
There are two possible approaches left for Bryan Murray: Stick with what you have, hope for the best, and end up like the atrophied Leafs. Or realize you are rebuilding and start thinking strategically.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Clouston story is cover for a mutual decision regarding team direction. Heatley might well be taking one on the chin from the fans, playing the role of the hero turned villain that allows the team to do what it has to do.
WHAT THE F**************************k i am honesley crying right now. there is only one way i like this trade and it is if he is traded to thie islanders for the fist overallpick
This looks bad on Brian Murray - yet again Murray looks like crap. Why is it Murrays fault? Duh, he's in charge of personel (who stays and who goes).
You listening Eugene you little rat! You've wrecked our team leaving Murray in charge - now even the star players want out.
IMO, these teams will be involved:
Dallas
Edmonton
Florida
Los Angeles
Minnesota
San Jose
Vancouver
Maybe:
Calgary
Carolina
St. Louis
we are going to need more than a first round pick for heately - obviously.
Depends on the pick.
no it doesn't depend on the pick, the guy is a pure scorer and one of the best in the league, a pick for that kind of talent is not enough.
This is not good news. Other UFA's will think twice before signing here.
When a team earns a reputation for treating players properly, UFA's are easier to sign and sometimes take less money (see Hossa).
Heatley is one of the top snipers in the league. An Olympic shoe-in. We will lose in any deal involving Heatley.
Knowing that he wants out, a team will not offer as much. Ottawa is handcuffed, because they have an unhappy player, and everyone knows it.
Only Mike Milbury would give you a great deal for Heatley (see Yashin), and he ain't a GM anymore.
i like heatley but look at detroit they are in the cup race every season not because of one guy because they work as a team
im cool with heatley going if it means we try to be more of a team not the cash line and friends
Can you imagine if Murray moves him, Smith retires, and some how Kelly can get moved this team will be massively different then last year and would have room to get some new young talent.
What is everyone thinking would be coming back to Ottawa, high 1st round pick (top 5), young NHL ready D-man and top prospect? More or Less?? Maybe Kopitar?
All they need to do is find someone Spezza or Alfie can throw a puck at and slap it into the net. Shouldn't be that tough.
If he is moved, my money is on Vancouver or Calgary.
Kings are loaded with potential, as mentioned above. Dustin Brown had an off-year, but my gut tells me that they're not too anxious to trade their captain. Imo Frolov would probably be more expendable. Also, don't forget their D prospects like Hickey and Teubert, as well as Bernier in nets.
A bidding war for Heater could work out very nicely for us. The return could easily set us up to rebuild the depth of this franchise if we play our cards right. I think most Sens fans can admit that the best Heater ever played for us was when Spezza, Fish, and Vermy were all hurt and he was the one lugging the puck and actually working his ass off like a man possessed. He's a great finisher but he never gave us what he was capable of consistently enough.
We need to think about finding a true #1 D-Man and a true 1B center. Make the right deal and we could really set ourselves up to rock the house in the East.
agreed, a top dman and a top 2 draft pick (one or two), or screw you heatley - see you in camp.
Mat,
Detroit is extremely top heavy. They have Hossa and Lidstrom at around $7.5M. They have Zetterberg and Datsyuk at around $7M. They have Rafalski at $6M.
If you want the Sens to be more like Detroit, they need to keep Heatley and the CASH line, and sign another high priced player to join them. And then they need to cut the fat, like Smith and Kuba.
Then they need to get a big named coach and a proven winner GM. Then they need to fill the roster with young guys who want to prove themselves.
Michael (2:01),
No, it doesn't. A prospect for one of the elite talents in the league in his prime (I'm sure 95% of the league would love to have an 80+ point "down" year), regardless of the prospect, is not a deal any GM in his right mind should make.
No matter how good Tavares, Hedman, or Duchene look, none of them, at this moment, are worth Heatley straight up. Think Daigle.
anony at 2:20 - exactly. well said. if i am a gm with the first or second pick i'd make that trade for heately all day - think about it, he's proven and has 5 or more good years left vs a draft pick who will take 5 years to mature.
This is not a disaster by any stretch of the imagination. Heatley's a good player but he's not the franchise player I think many of us thought he could be.
Get a top-rung defenceman and a prospect, sign a forward in the off-season and you have a much more well-rounded team.
I'd rather see Heatley move than Spezza since moving Spezz means you have to find a #1 center; finding a winger to equal Heater's 72 points last year shouldn't be a big deal.
la la la
I'd love to see BM deal Heater to LA. They have sooo many prospects that would be great, Frolov will probably be available, as will most of their defense currently on the roster (except probably Doughty). Colton Teubert and Jack Johnson? Kyle Quincey & Frolov & Teubert for Heater? Done, plus we go after another top 6 forward in free agency and bingo, bango, we're competing again.
BenJamin is right.
This could be a saving grace for Ottawa's rebuilding plans! Heatley's performance in Ottawa was strong and his 7 year salary is pretty reasonable. He won't be difficult to move and the return could and should be quite favorable.
Let this Jacka** leave. I want players that want to be and play here in the nations captial regardless of how good or bad the team is.
The places for getting a good return Jacka** Heatley is Edmonton, LA, and Minnesota.
P.S.
YOU CAN GO TO HELL HEATLEY
Jim Travers is a shit nugget
I think this is good news. While Heatley is very talented he is also very expensive. The fact that he wants out means the no trade clause is a non-issue. Trade him to the Avs for the #3 overall pick (Duchene) and Ryan Smith ... the other team will also want to move some salary. This could also be a multi-team, mega deal. Imagine: the 3rd overall pick, the 9th, plus 2 early seconds ... we could rebuild rather quickly.
Senschirp,
The TSN sory says that Heatley approached the Sens a week ago to ask for a trade.
It was also a week ago that the Sun reported Murray saying that Spezza was not going to be moved. I wonder if the two are related.
Heatley asks for a trade, so Murray squashes the Spezza rumours before Spezza decides he wants out also. Or, Murray decides he better keep at least one of them.
If they both want out, and the whole NHL knows, Murray is not dealing from a position of strength when it comes to trades or signing potential UFA's.
Senschirp, is it possible that Melnyk gets involved here. Like calling Heatley and ask him what the real problem is. My gut tells me that the fact that the Sens are turning into a joke does not sit well with a player like Heater who has high standrads.
Crosby did not like Therrien, Gaborik did not like Riseborough, Kovalev did not like Carbonneau. It certainly is not without precedence.
I say change the GM and coach and bring in a winning management team. Keep Heater.
I think this is a great piece of news, we get rid of one of the Big 4 forward contracts which will allow us much more space to bring people in.
It's easier to replace a goal scoring winger than it is a top centre plus the return for Heatley would be much bigger than that of Spezza.
By "rumour has it" you mean your comments and reading other blogs and msm, right? I have yet to read anything break here.
please god Rick Nash
Since when does spezza want out, those were just nhl rumours, he is building the biggest house in ottawa.
Nah I mean 'rumour has it' as in thats what I was told. I personally have no idea nor desire to know where Dany Heatley's girlfriend lives.
hockey players are babies I hate my job and boss but I do it for money.. Get a f******ing life Heater.
It's disappointing but in the end, I don't want a player wearing a Sens uniform if he has no interest in being here. Hopefully we can get a good player in return.
NO HEATER...no status...no scoring...no play offs...no pride...no one wants to play here...
R.I.P.
Thornton for Heatley straight up makes sense to me. Thornton makes the same amount of money and is getting a ton of heat for their playoff failures. Maybe a change in scenery is in order, and having Spezza and Alfie might take some pressure off him.
One thing I'd like to address is the comment I have seen in a few places that this somehow looks bad on Ottawa and makes it less likely that UFAs will want to sign here.
Complete BS.
Wanting out because you don't get along with the new coach who led your team to the second best record in the NHL after his arrival and has asked you to work harder and do more than stand in the slot with your stick in the air, looks bad on Heatley, it makes him look lazy, uncommitted and selfish.
Wanting out because your family and wife want to move back out West so you can spend more time at your Kelowna home, looks bad on Heatley, it makes him look whipped and raises the question "why the hell did you sign the seven year contract in the first place?"
Wanting out because your team had one bad year looks bad on Heatley, it makes him look disloyal, impatient and hypocritical since he was a large reason for the decline.
On the surface it may look bad for the Sens, and many media and opposing fans will try to spin it that way, but most hockey people are going to end up with a negative impression of Heatley, not Ottawa.
So please stop with the drama that this is the beginning of the end of the franchise, that no one will want to play here, or that now everyone else will want out.
This is Heatley being a douchebag, nothing more.
Whatever, Heatley, though I did love him (anyone wanna buy a nice jersey? lol) was the laziest player on the ice on many occasions.
The Sens needed to trim that lazy crap, and Clouston came in and probably blasted into him. So tuck your tail between your legs, and best of luck finding another country club atmosphere, cause it's gone in Ottawa now.
Let's just hope the return is good.
What are we looking at for a realistic return from these interested teams? This is way more interesting than Spezza rumours!
This will be resolved within three weeks.
Dany Heatley is owed $4M signing bonus on July 1. That means that $14M of his $45M contract will have been paid by that time.
I can't see Melnyk being too happy about cutting a cheque for $4M to a guy who has no intentions of playing here next year.
There is definitely pressure on Murray to deal Heatley before July 1. If he's not dealt, maybe a management shakeup happens?
awesome news. Get rid of that huge contract, trade him to LA for frolov, teubert, and the 5th (schenn) and with our 9th, kadri.
2 years from now....
frolov spezza schenn
alfie comrie kadri
foligno fisher upshall rutuu bass shannon
karlsson beauchemin
kuba campoli
teubert phillips
leclaire
elliott
bring me the cup.
To Anon at 3:52 PM:
Bang on. This will be dealt with prior to the Entry draft.
Agreed, this will be done prior to or on draft day.
I think this is even more likely, as I expect any trade made involving Dany Heatley is likely to have a 1st round pick in this year's draft coming back to the Senators.
Unhappy with your role...TRY HARDER!
if you can't get a good deal for him, let him sulk i say. They don't HAVE to trade the guy
trade heatly to the islanders for there 1st round pick
A top 5 pick at the draft should definitely be part of the package.
Barring that, any first round pick, even a lower one, will give Murray the ability to package picks together to trade up in the draft.
yikes
if BM does flip him on draft day for lets say the Avs 3rd overall pick....thats 4 million dollars for a third round pick !!! :O
overall, i think good riddance, the last two years have proven that a team with more better all-round players with awesome centers is more likely to go deeper compared to a team with a one dimensional aim and shoot sniper. plus its logical anyways, you want to pay players big bucks so they do more things for you than just aim and shoot. personally i think heatley's skating is very suspect too.
how about heatley for Eric Staal? although Jim Rutherford will never do that deal even on his dead body.
LSC:
Heater wants out because we will not get him a DEFENCEMAN to play with and run his power play.
Note: It's always the player with you propagandists (read Company MEN)...Marty...then Chara...then Hossa...then Ray...then Corvo...now Heater!
The trouble this time, our OWNER is depressed just like the Canadian economy, we shall not be able to spend big on our players anymore and that you misinformed know it all shall be the end of us.
There have been rumours that Phaneuf may be gone from Calgary. Heatley is from Calgary...connect the dots and it might be. If they do swap Heatley for Phaneuf I would then take a run at Hossa or Camellari. For that to happen floaters like Kelly Smith and Schubert will have to be gone
You can't win with a loser on your team - and right now - that's exactly what Heatley is. A whining, sad broken man who is demanding a trade because he doesn't have the ***s to man up.
Very sad. Used to be a favourite of mine - now he's nothing but a piece of trash.
I pray that we get a nice package for him. I can't see how we couldn't win huge here. He's scored 180 goals since the lockout, should be worth...I dunno...Shea Weber?
Formally 504Heater now SpezDispenser
LA has publicly said they need a scoriing left winger. I would love to get Brown and the 5th for Heatley, plus we would save/have an extra 4 million. With the 5th get schenn and the ninth OEL.
brown spezza schenn
alfie comrie koivu
foligno fisher shannon
rutuu bass upshall
phillips campoli
karllsson OEL
kuba volch
Make him play in Ottawa for another year. If he still wants out, then start working it. Unless it's for Rick Nash.
Anon 4:27pm:
I was thinking similarly, Calgary's rumoured interest in JBo and Cammalleri's UFA status. Swap Phaneuf for Heatley, sign JBo and let Cammalleri walk. You replace Phaneuf and Cammalleri with local boys Heater and JBo.
I'd love to see Phaneuf here. One issue (certainly amont many) is Calgary can't sign JBo until July 1st and I think Heater will have to be moved by the draft if it's going to happen. Sutter would have to be sure he could sign JBo (maybe a trade with Florida for his negotiating rights?) for that to work.
I think LA and Minnesota are more probable.
Sad to see things disintegrating like this.
- Jalen
yo SC any idea if Fisher wants to be closer to his lady, I mean why stop at one player wanting to waive their NMC, then we'd be in great shape we'd get rid of the laziest player on the team and the most overpaid player on the team who can offer "heart" and thats it
she lives in ottawa retard
Wait, wait, wait...
NTC's can be waived?
Signed,
A Leafs fan
LSC, your post @ 3:48 was BANG ON.
Great points all around!
I think you just hit it on the money... Anon 4:53 PM
Sens should trade for Phaneuf & high draft pick. Maybe add the rights to Cammalleri also. We sign both. Hey why not stick Comrie with Spezza. Give the guy a chance. At least he wants to play for the Senators.
I think Heatley is worth a lot more than a #1 draft pick. He is seasoned and ready to play in the big leagues. Look at last year's #1 draft pick Steven Stamkos... good player but just not there yet...
I'm thinking a Blockbuster:
To LA: Heatley, Kelly, Lee
To Ottawa: Brown, Johnson, 5th Overall
Should have moved him to SJ for their 2 best 2nd liners (Pavelski, Clowe) and Ehrhoff before the playoffs if he was willing to go. Instant rebuild, and SJ might not have folded again.
I think Heater had issues driving by Fratellis here in Ottawa and thinking about his previous dating issues.
Maybe he wants to get traded to New York to be nearer to Sy Sperling and his magic rugs.
does anyone know if his request for trade vetos his "no movement clause"? ie. does he still have say in where he goes if traded?
Revised LA trade from anon @ 5:55pm...
LA - Heatley, Ottawa's 2nd rounder
OTT - Brown, Teubert, 5th overall
I think people are undervaluing Heatley a bit. This is what he's worth.
For the record, Yashin was traded for 2nd Overall Pick (Spezza), Chara, and Muckalt. Therefore Heatley would warrant more than just the 1st or 2nd overall pick.
So in my opinion I think this is great for Ottawa. It's basically like getting free money, except it'd be cap space for us. Not only will the roster guy we get back most likely be CHEAPER than Heatley, he'll also be more multidimensional.
Two names I'd like to see come to Ottawa would be Ryan Kesler - 2nd line center + PK guy that we've been after for forever - or Shea Weber - #1 PMD. Both cost less than Heatley and Ottawa would benefit with extra cap space to look at free agents.
Blessing in disguise! Buh-bye Heatley! Been nice knowing you. ;D
Anon 6:11
Can't forget that was Mike Milbury trade...
Cassie: Mike Milbury trades typically do not count as far as assessing player value :)
Other than that your point is well taken.
Heater just bought a place in my building 90 George st, penthouse suite for a lot of money...damn!
Sens should pay attention to the Wings model for success. Build through your top two centers and top two defense. Those are the players who will be most capable of making others around them better and playing the most minutes.
My ideal trade in this situation would be Heater for Thornton. He did not have a great playoff this year but I think with the fitness trainers in Sens organization and the passion of Canadian fans we could get more out of him than the Californians.
If San Jose wants to make real changes to the chemistry of their team this would be a big start. They badly needed a true finisher over there I think.
Dustin Brown and Corey Perry strike me as players who Murray may target...both play up tempo and are very aggressive on the forecheck...both also have reasonable Cap hits...
Brown and #5 Overall
or
Perry and #15 Overall
From my sources i heard its heathley for mikko koivu and a 1st
no clue why minni would want him thought
Mike Milbury trade aside, Ottawa should at least get a decent roster player with the pick if they're getting a top 2 pick.
Other than that - no to Big Joe. He's currently on his way out of his prime and making only $0.3M less than Heatley for the next 2 years. Save the cap space for someone younger and who isn't a #1 centre playmaker. Ottawa already has one of those. Talk about overpaying a guy - you don't pay a 3rd line centre in Mike Fisher $4.2M so you certainly wouldn't pay a 2nd line center approx. $7M.
A couple better SJS names, though, would be Ryan Clowe, Devin Setoguchi, or Joe Pavelski. All are 25 and younger making $1.7M or less.
The Kings are definitely the front runners.
Heater's a douche, cherry-picked for two years and now wants out. Good riddance!
If your source was correct Anon 7:24PM it's because they are almost certainly going to lose Gaborik as a UFA.
Re Cassie: Big Joe may not have had a great playoffs but he has still put up 80-100 points in each of his last 3 seasons. He is hardly out of his prime and I think he'd get a step back playing in Canada. Spezza and him would benefit from having a 1-2 punch at center ice making it harder for other teams to shut us down.
Also Cassie. Datsyuk + Zetterberg, who is the number 2 center? Malkin + Crosby same question? That's the value of having a 1A and a 1B center. He's not a bloody #2 center Big Joe is a top 10-20 center in the league.
Folks...
Dany Heatley has been one of the top 5 players in each of the last 3 seasons. It will be a very hard trade to pull off... We need a 1st line winger, a top 4 defenseman (or swap for a 2nd line player) and a decent draft pick...
Good luck trying to find someone that will give you that...
he may be a one-trick pony, but you people are forgetting that he is top 5 in the NHL.
Hrm. Heater for Thornton? That could work alright, but then we've still got to get someone who will shoot the puck besides Alf & Spezza (sometimes). What would the lines look like?
Fisher Spezza Alfredsson
Foligno Thornton Shannon
Ruutu Kelly Regin/Zubov
Bass Winchester Donovan
But our D still needs someone who is a bona fide top 2 defender who will be a plus player, methinks. I'd like to see the Sens try to sign Ohlund.
This is the final chapter of not spending for a big defenceman last fall (Alf had to personally keep 19/15 in the fold last xmas).
We shall get nothing of lasting consquence in this transaction because we don't want to pay big for anyone.
I love the Sens but we are officially TIER II out of the play offs for five!
R.I.P.
If Minni want Heater. They should trade Colton Gillies, Cal Clutterbuck, James Sheppard, Brent Burns and their 1st Rounder for him.
If LA wants Heater. They should trade Hickey, Toubert, either Brown or Williams and their 1st rounder for him.
Thing is this BeJamin - Malkin + Crosby and Zetterberg + Datsyuk all have linemates that are talented and can put up 40+ points with these guys. Ottawa doesn't (yet). If you're Detroit or Pittsburgh you can afford to have a 1A and 1B because you have secondary scoring.
If Ottawa trades for Big Joe and his contract, leaving little to no room for another top 6 player, somebody's production is going to slip because of the lack of depth in quality talent on the wings.
All I'm saying is I'd rather spend the money on someone younger, cheaper, who'll produce in the regular season AS WELL AS the post-season with lots of upside and who is a bona fide 2nd line player. 1As and 1Bs work on some teams, but it's not for everyone.
P.S. Zetterberg is a LW if I'm not mistaken. Minor point. :P
You boys just don't get it...dealing from weakness renders trash!
Our only hope is that someone slips and offers a big draft pick...
We need results with this transaction...don't...I repeat "Don't" insult us with we tried but...
Heatley is an A**!!! BM should trade him to LA but don't expect Brown or Kopitar coming our way. Someone like Frolov, Teubert and LA's 1st for Heatley, Picard/Kelly.
This is great news. Perfect, in fact. LA? Gotta be one of their prime time young d, young forward and the 5th pick coming back. You gotta be thinking with Phaneuf available, Heatley wanting out and having family in the Okanagan, seems like something which could work out pretty seemlessly. This is sooooooooo good for the sens. If no one comes calling, as others have suggested, tough break, see you in camp.
pg
Kopitar +5th for Heater.
Sign JBo as UFA.
Do it.
Senschirp definitely favours the Kings to get Heatley.
Tough situation. As apparent with the Campolie/Comrie trade, the goal for Murray has been to turn this around quickly and win like next year, not rebuild with draft picks for this year that will not be ready for some time.
Heatley wanting out really throws a wrench into those plans and why I think a trade has to be done for NHL players (and less for draft picks). I am not quite sure if LA fits that bill...
Cassie we can agree to disagree. I believe that good centers make their linemates better to a larger degree than good wingers. A lot of that secondary scoring you speak about is created by the play-making ability of the centers you just mentioned. Crosby and Malkin are hardly playing with world class wingers. You should note that we will still have Alfie as a scoring winger + possibly Comrie shifted over to the wing at 2.5 + 3-4M to sign another top 6 forward.
If we can let go of Neil, move out Kelly, and get Smiths contract off the books we will have even more room.
I would love to see Fish at 4.2M move on as he is at best a very good 3rd line center but his contract is likely unmovable.
Also my two cents on the LA trade line. The only two things I would accept for heater are.
Heatley for Doughty + Brown (because both might be good, but are unproven)
or
Heatley for Frolov + 1st round pick followed by us going out and signing Cammalari. Which might be the better move.
AND I just spent 240 on a heater jersy ;(
Heatley is acting like a spoiled brat, he plays on the top line and makes $7.5/ year...what is there to be unhappy about. Good riddance I say!
I would love to get Lecavalier!!!!
SC any talk about Columbus, I know we make good trade partners already, I'd love to see Filatov in a Sens Jersey
It has been said a few times on other sites, but apparently frolov and volchnkov are best friends, might add some intrigue to the kings possibility.
I say no to big Joe, he has never done anything in the playoffs, that's why Boston traded him and why San Jose wants to trade him.
Senschirp: I have been told Heachoo has ALSO given a list of teams he won't accept trades to. Have you heard anything about this?
Man, this guy is a loser. To demand a trade a year after signing and insisting on a NMC, then demading a trade AND giving a list of teams? And trashing the coach and your team mates? Hiopefully heatley just shuts up, cause it just seems like everything he says now makes him look more and more like a selfish little crybaby, lowering his value.
Brent Burns in an ottawa jersey would be crazy.
The guy has a killer shot, is HUGE, and loves offense, is good on defense, can play forward too if you want him to.
But i think thats a long shot...Minnesota doesn't have all the pieces..and the 12th overall isnt jam enough for moi atleast.
I don't know if Anaheim will fall for this, but Ryan Getzlaf would be bomb in a senators uniform too. Corey Perry is definitely a good one, with the salty grindy sand paper persona he brings on the ice, along with good skating, and a nasty edge to him, he would fit will along with spezza and save us some good bucks too.
whoever is suggesting Ryan Kesler for Heatley needs to stop being an Ostrich (a.k.a a canucks fan). Also trading for Phaneuf will be the biggest mistake BM will make. The guy clearly lost all traction with his new high profile relationship, we already have two players who have lost traction thanks to laziness and the added celeb relationship (Fisher+Comrie), certainly dont need a third. Ottawa is not New York. Im not saying Phaneuf is not a good player, but right now he is a big risk.
Edmonton also does not have the right pieces. Gagner is the only guy from that team i'd be willing to pluck, but not for Heatley.
Columbus might be a good partner with Nash. I think that might work pretty good, because Nash and Heatley are pretty similar finishers, with Nash being a better skater I guess. However Nash is not signed yet. So we can take up Nash, hook him up with Spezza, show him what happens with a top center, sign him and keep him. Columbus will get a replacement for Nash in Heatley pretty much equally because the goal production is off the scale, with the added benefit that Heatley is already signed up, I think long term it might be better for them since they have a ton of top rookies playing for them who they will have to pay up soon and Heatley is signed long term so it wont be a headache down the road. I think that would work good for us, simple trade. Much like the same way Heatley came here: Hossa was signed and then flipped to the thrashers and then Heatley was signed the following year. Plus: Nash is 4 years younger.
Jumbo Joe is a Big IF for all the SJ traders. I dont know how you weigh it against what he brings. I mean the guy is the ultimate centerman in the regular season, you dont get better than him. But then you compare him to people like Datsyuk...and it kinda shows the difference big time. I think its best Ottawa doesn't get big name trigger happy with the trade.
Trading for Thornton makes no sense people.
Thornton is a #1 center and we already have a #1 center, what we need is a scoring winger.
Yes there are other teams with 1a and 1b centers but the Sens don't have the cap space to pay a 1b center $7.2 million.
I think the best option right now is LA, they have a perfect combination of skilled established young players, prospects and picks to make a great deal for Heatley.
Hey guys interesting trade proposals. No way LA is giving Fro at 2.9 and the 5th for Heater at 7.5. Granted Fro is not the pure sniper like Heater, but great in the corners and hard to knock off the puck, plus 30 gaols a year. It wont happen. Brown and Doughty are not going to happen. Brown is only a 3+ cap hit. If DL was to include Fro (which I doubt) , you all would have to take on Preissing contract-ouch not attractive-right!
From an LA stand point here are your options:
1. Fro + 5th for Heater and your 9th. Stop screaming!!! But the 5th is worth much more than the 9th according to the scouts and you are losing 4 mil off your cap.
2. Bernier, JJ, and Moller for Heater. Yeh I wouldnt do it either.
3. JJ, prospect and 5th for Heater.
4. Williams, prospect for Heater.
Sorry, I understand your feeling that Heatley is worth more, but finding someone to take on his 7.5 is not going to be easy. I just dont see DL giving up the 5th (potential franchise player) and Fro. On the other hand Your team has been a one line team for quite a few years now. By keeping Spezza and Heater, this will never change. Edmonton with O sully and Penner may be more attractive for ya. Dont see DL giving more than JJ, prospect and the 5th.
PS-Why would you all want Fro with only 1 year left on his contract. He may walk. JJ, Purcell, Moller, Teubert are much more attractive price and contract wise.
Question: Is BM's bravado a poker move so that he can get heachoo to drop the list of teams the primadonna will play for?
Get him outta here!!!!
I'm with Anon 3:52. I wanna see a trade like Filitov, Klesla and their first rounder to us, which I think would work out well for both teams. We get an elite prospect and a solid defenceman (as well as a pick, which you pair with ours to move up, maybe get us our top 6 forward) We trim the fat, losing kelly and smith, abd possibly sign Cammeleri. I see the lines then looking like this.
Filitov-Spezza-Alfie
Cammeleri-Comrie-Shannon
Foligno-Fisher-Zubov/Regin
Whinchester-Bass-Ruutu
Kuba-Klesla
Phillips-Volchenkov
Campoli-Lee
Karlsson and Picard spend time in the minors to develop (if picard hasnt by now, try to give him to a team that can use him) as well as having 2 lines that can score fairly regularly, a third line that can chip in and a fourth line that can agitate and play solid hockey. Defence doesnt have a workhorse, but works by committee, though unlike the start of last year, we have campoli added in.
Send him to the minors
I wonder what Spezza thinks of all this? His linemate
I agree with Shannon @ 12:47 AM
Our crack-using-Winger is a spoiled brat, and wants out because he hates being disciplined.
I was reading the Citizen today, and they mentioned that for every "trade, there's a roadblock."
SC, is there any viable trade options available that you can foresee?
this is what i'd like to see happen if Heater ends up going to LA...
Heater for Frolov + maybe some sort of pick, idk what round, whatever you can muster. THEN sign Cammaleri with some of the left over cap space/cap space made by either Kelly going out the door or Smith retiring.
IF Heatley goes to Calgary, I'd love to see Phaneuf come our way, and I hear that this isn't actually a stretch of the imagination...Phaneuf has yet to REALLY prove himself in Calgary as the D-man to get the franchise going, and with top line wingers like Iginla and Heatley, they'd have a pretty potent top line
NO matter how good Tavares or all the other highly coveted prospects look, they AREN'T worth Heatley until they prove it. As someone already said, see Daigle. I don't wanna get stuck with another POS like him...
Heatley goes to calgary... the reason why I say this it's because 1 week from now the Calgary Flames had a deal with PHX to change the 1st round pick (2009) to a 2010 1st round pick. What happened one week from now??? Heatley wants out...
Heatley for Frolov + 1st round pick followed by us going out and signing Cammalari. Which might be the better move.
I'd love to see Heatley for Frolov + 1st. Although, I'd also like to see the Sens give back a roster defenseman and take a prospect back (Schubert / Picard to LA, Hickey/Teubert to OTT), and expect that Ottawa would have to throw a 2nd round pick LA's' way to make this happen.
frolov for heatley is not enough. It would need to be frolov, one of the d prospects and the 5th pick imo
Heatley and Kelly/Picard/Lee for LA's 5th overall, Teubert and Frolov. I do not want JJ....his dad gets in the way of things and apparently is demanding 5.5 mill a year. I believe LA is willing to give up Frolov and he also had an off yr last yr. Also if Frolov does come to Ottawa, I think we can convince Cammaleri to come here as well. Didn't those two play on the same line in LA?
Is this a reasonable trade?
OTT
Danny Heatley
Ilya Zubov
for
ANA
Corey Perry
the rights to Francois Beauchemin
Justin Vaive
Bobby Bolt
Anaheim gets a stacked top line with heatley-getzlaf-ryan and heatley and getzlaf have chemistry.
Zubov is thrown in because he won't make the sens next year and is likley not part of ottawas future.
Ottawa gets corey perry - a gritty and talented forward who shows up every shift and has agitating qualities- then they get the rights to francois beauchemin -fills the need for a solid top pairing defensman- and a couple of big strong physical prospects in justin vaive and bobby bolt.
"We signed [Heatley] to a long-term deal and we expect him to honour it," Murray said on Tuesday. "At this point in time he's a Senator."
Yes, Anon 10:52 AM, I'd guess it's a poker style bluff. But I'd be interested in how BM responds if other GM's call him on it. If the offers aren't high, I woudn't be too surprised if the Heatster is called to Training camp in Ottawa next season.
I really dont care what team he goes too, as long as we get prospects back and a good pick... i cant wait for the first game he comes back... i am going to boo him so hard, n dont be surprised if u see a beeer thrown on the ice at his direction... tell me if anyone is going to do the same... you dont just leave a hockey market liek ottawa and think everything is going to be fine
Did anyone catch Sportnet @ 12:20 or so? (I had to go out for a little while and missed it)
I'm just asking because they had Heatley's agent on and was explaining the situation etc.
What did Heatley's agent have to say?
Moller
Jack Johnson
5th overall
For Heatley
Bank on it folks
-HSF
To Anon @ 10:43am
We're not as 'over the barrell' as you might think. If Heatley wants to move we'll find what the best deal is the the Ottawa Senators or he sits and doesn't get paid.
He's still a world-class player so if you think a 5th overall pick and an RFA are going to do it on their own, you're dreaming in techinicolour!
I think a trade with LA would start with this:
To LA:
Heatley
Kelly
Schubert
To OTT:
Frolov
Teubert
Moller
5th overall
We don't want JJ and his attitude-case if we've just shipped Redden, Emery, McGratton and Heatley outta here.
heatley will bring us gilbert, gagner and the 5th (mps) and with our ninth oel. with the 4 million we save sign koivu and beauchemin.
2010/11
gagner spezza zubov
alfie koivu mps
foligno fisher shannon
rutuu bass upshall
kuba beauchemin
oel karlsson
phillips gilbert
leclaire
elliott
Can someone call BM and the organization and get them to remove that cry baby from the website?????
why do people think Heatley will go to LA? He will obviously have a lot of control on where he ends up and he probably wants to go to a proven contender. I highly doubt he wants to go to LA, Calgary maybe but not LA
Frolov and the 5th for Heatley? What are you smoking? Heatley's the top goal scorer in the league since the lockout other than ovechkin.
For all tose bashing Phaneuf... gimme a break. You guys must not watch much hockey. This guy played most of last year hurt, and was up for the norris the year before. You'd think for a bunch of guys still going on about "The Cup Run" you'd be able to remember the awards from less than a year ago. Phaneuf would be great here. It would be a great deal for both teams, we may even get their 2nd this year or first next as well.
If Hedman, Duchene, Hedman, and Kane prove to be as good as or better than Heatley, it will be too late, see? Because then they will all have already proved they're awesome, and we won't be able to trade heatley anymore for one of them cause they'll be on other teams. Get it "safe hands"? You have to draft players BEFORE they start their NHL careers. But with good scouting, we can be pretty sure of what we'll get. Crazy, eh?
Frolov is good buddies with Volchenkov - Frolov, Tuebert & LA 1st rounder for Heatley & Schubbie is what I have been lead to believe.
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